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    All brother and sister greetings;

    May some body explain the spiritual meaning of Joh.3:3-8 Jesus said,Verily, verily,I say unto thee,

    Except a man be born again,he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

    thanks and many blessing .
    in love of Christ./RT.

  • #2
    Originally posted by roaring tiger View Post
    All brother and sister greetings;

    May some body explain the spiritual meaning of Joh.3:3-8 Jesus said,Verily, verily,I say unto thee,

    Except a man be born again,he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

    thanks and many blessing .
    in love of Christ./RT.
    It is to be renewed, to put off the old man and to put on the new man.

    Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
    Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

    Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
    Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

    Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
      It is to be renewed, to put off the old man and to put on the new man.

      Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

      Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
      Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

      Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
      Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

      Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

      God bless you!

      Firstfruits
      Hi!!!Firstfruits greeting;

      I agree with your exellent post and acknowledge all the manners of a new man must attain.

      But the last two scripture is quite unclear to me.Col.3:10 What is the renewed knowledge after the image of our creator,we have to put on?

      Rom.6:6 As far as I know to crucified the old man with him ,we must be planted in the likeness of his death,so,how could we do or accomplished his crucifixion and likeness of his death?

      Thank you very much and many blessing.
      in love of Christ./RT.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by roaring tiger View Post
        Hi!!!Firstfruits greeting;

        I agree with your exellent post and acknowledge all the manners of a new man must attain.

        But the last two scripture is quite unclear to me.Col.3:10 What is the renewed knowledge after the image of our creator,we have to put on?

        Rom.6:6 As far as I know to crucified the old man with him ,we must be planted in the likeness of his death,so,how could we do or accomplished his crucifixion and likeness of his death?

        Thank you very much and many blessing.
        in love of Christ./RT.
        The knowledge is the knowledge of God/Christ, according to the gospel of Christ.

        Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
        Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

        Being crucified with Christ means that the old man whcih is ruled by sin is no longer in charge and we should live according to the will of God.

        Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
        Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

        Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

        God bless you!

        Firstfruits

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
          The knowledge is the knowledge of God/Christ, according to the gospel of Christ.

          Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
          Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

          Being crucified with Christ means that the old man whcih is ruled by sin is no longer in charge and we should live according to the will of God.

          Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
          Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

          Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

          God bless you!

          Firstfruits
          Hi!!!Firstfruits;

          Your quote is well explain and acceptable.I agree...one more question.

          Col.1:9 For this cause we also,since the day we heard it,,, is this related to Matt.17:5 While he yet spake,behold a bright cloud overshadowed them;and behold a voice out of the cloud,which said,This is my beloved Son,in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

          Heb.3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice,harden not your hearts,as in the provocation.(What did you heard? Does it refer to this voice?

          Many blessing;
          in love of Christ.RT.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by roaring tiger View Post
            Hi!!!Firstfruits;

            Your quote is well explain and acceptable.I agree...one more question.

            Col.1:9 For this cause we also,since the day we heard it,,, is this related to Matt.17:5 While he yet spake,behold a bright cloud overshadowed them;and behold a voice out of the cloud,which said,This is my beloved Son,in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

            Heb.3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice,harden not your hearts,as in the provocation.(What did you heard? Does it refer to this voice?

            Many blessing;
            in love of Christ.RT.
            This refers to the gospel that we have heard.

            Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
            Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
            Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

            God bless you!

            Firstfruits

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            • #7
              Originally posted by roaring tiger View Post
              All brother and sister greetings;

              May some body explain the spiritual meaning of Joh.3:3-8 Jesus said,Verily, verily,I say unto thee,

              Except a man be born again,he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

              thanks and many blessing .
              in love of Christ./RT.
              It means having your sins and transgressions washed away by the Blood of the Lamb..

              ye who were once dead in trespasses and sins... living under the curse.. in condemnation and bound in guilt..

              when one is Born AGain from Above.. God quickens your 'spirit'... makes it alive again.. because of Christ and thru the Holy Ghost.. who is active in the persons life.. as He has been drawing the sinner to Christ......

              being Born Again is an 'operation of God Himself'...

              it is Initated by Him in Heaven.. and Finished by Him...... the Merits of it.. solely belong to Him..

              not man...

              and being born again....

              its nothing 'man can attain' or attempt to attain on his/her own... thru his/her religious works... nope...

              many try to 'attain' it.. but its like putting lipstick on a pig, its like the new wineskin.. but with old sour wine still inside... putrid and stale....

              God's Work is done on the 'inside'.. and when a person if born again.. the death sentence, guilt and condemnation is REMOVED... by the Blood of Christ.. and the Spirit begins to work on the converts Heart... circumcising it on a daily basis.. and that Heart.. and Spiirt and Soul.. will begin to 'desire' the things of God.. Knowing Him.. and the Knowledge of God.. this done as His Word is read and absorbed into the soft ground of the 'heart' that has begun its Transformation.. free of guilt and condemnation.. the persons conscience being sprinkled daily with the blood of Christ.. as the person is transformed from the insdide out......

              not the outside in.. as religion works.. yet never really transforming the inside...

              with the pig still being a pig.. even though its dresssed up and with lipstick..

              and the wineskin.. looking new on the outside.. yet inside full of old stale wine , putrid and vile to the taste...

              when One is Born AGain.. the Kingdom comes to live inside the vessel of clay... and one day that vessel of clay will be transformed into a new body.. that will not rot, decay, get old, not subject to sin or disease.. but Eternal like Christ's Body after His Resurrection...

              these will be with Jesus where He is.. and behold the Glory and the Kingdom the Father has given Him.. for the Father Loveth Him from before the Foundation of the World..
              Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
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              Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
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              The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
              Jeremiah 31:3

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              • #8
                Originally posted by theBelovedDisciple View Post
                It means having your sins and transgressions washed away by the Blood of the Lamb..

                ye who were once dead in trespasses and sins... living under the curse.. in condemnation and bound in guilt..

                when one is Born AGain from Above.. God quickens your 'spirit'... makes it alive again.. because of Christ and thru the Holy Ghost.. who is active in the persons life.. as He has been drawing the sinner to Christ......

                being Born Again is an 'operation of God Himself'...

                it is Initated by Him in Heaven.. and Finished by Him...... the Merits of it.. solely belong to Him..

                not man...

                and being born again....

                its nothing 'man can attain' or attempt to attain on his/her own... thru his/her religious works... nope...

                many try to 'attain' it.. but its like putting lipstick on a pig, its like the new wineskin.. but with old sour wine still inside... putrid and stale....

                God's Work is done on the 'inside'.. and when a person if born again.. the death sentence, guilt and condemnation is REMOVED... by the Blood of Christ.. and the Spirit begins to work on the converts Heart... circumcising it on a daily basis.. and that Heart.. and Spiirt and Soul.. will begin to 'desire' the things of God.. Knowing Him.. and the Knowledge of God.. this done as His Word is read and absorbed into the soft ground of the 'heart' that has begun its Transformation.. free of guilt and condemnation.. the persons conscience being sprinkled daily with the blood of Christ.. as the person is transformed from the insdide out......

                not the outside in.. as religion works.. yet never really transforming the inside...

                with the pig still being a pig.. even though its dresssed up and with lipstick..

                and the wineskin.. looking new on the outside.. yet inside full of old stale wine , putrid and vile to the taste...

                when One is Born AGain.. the Kingdom comes to live inside the vessel of clay... and one day that vessel of clay will be transformed into a new body.. that will not rot, decay, get old, not subject to sin or disease.. but Eternal like Christ's Body after His Resurrection...

                these will be with Jesus where He is.. and behold the Glory and the Kingdom the Father has given Him.. for the Father Loveth Him from before the Foundation of the World..
                Why are we told to put off the old man with his deeds/works and to put on the new man which is according to Christ?

                Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

                Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

                Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

                Firstfruits

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                • #9
                  The only explanation that makes sense to me is based upon 1 Thess 5:23. Man is a 3 part being ie. spirit, soul and body. Our spirits are recreated when we get born again. Our souls which is our mind and our emotions have to be renewed, to think like God thinks. Our body, yes our flesh needs to be subjected to our renewed souls, which are subject to our spirits which are recreated in the image of God. There is a kicker to this though, but from what I've read on this forum so far, I think I'll rather shut up for now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Freek View Post
                    The only explanation that makes sense to me is based upon 1 Thess 5:23. Man is a 3 part being ie. spirit, soul and body. Our spirits are recreated when we get born again. Our souls which is our mind and our emotions have to be renewed, to think like God thinks. Our body, yes our flesh needs to be subjected to our renewed souls, which are subject to our spirits which are recreated in the image of God. There is a kicker to this though, but from what I've read on this forum so far, I think I'll rather shut up for now.
                    Being born again requires a change of life style, from works of sin to works of righteousness.

                    Firstfruits

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                      Being born again requires a change of life style, from works of sin to works of righteousness.

                      Firstfruits
                      I have not written anything contrary to this, have I?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Freek View Post
                        I have not written anything contrary to this, have I?
                        No you have not.

                        God bless you!

                        Firstfruits

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                          Why are we told to put off the old man with his deeds/works and to put on the new man which is according to Christ?

                          Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

                          Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

                          Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

                          Firstfruits

                          With God's Help FF you will DO THIS....

                          but to do it out of one's own power... it cannot be done...

                          the Pharisees of Jesus day.. just did that.. they 'tried' out of their own power... believing they were the children of God, Moses Disciples.. the sons of Abraham...... they 'appeared' righteous outwardly.. yet their inside was corrupt..

                          they acted the part.. Jesus called them 'hypocrites'... which when translasted.. means a 'stage player'...

                          saying the right words.. the religious words... appearing 'outwardly' righteous holy and just. quoting Scripture, loving the relgious greetings in the marketplace, the chief seats in the synagogues, the uppermost room at feasts... these appearing 'outwardly religious just and holy..... but the 'inside'.. rotten and dead to the core.. the home of the serpent and scorpion.. Jesus told His disciples.. to 'beware' of them.. that means to take heed... and 'watch'.. discern.... and He went on to say.. these shall Recieve Greater Damnation....

                          it is absolutely no different today.. Modern Day Pharisees and Scribes exist today...

                          these who love greetings in the market place, the chief seats in their religious establishment, the upper most rooms and postition in the feasts they attend.. seated at the head of the table for all to see and 'know'.. they say all the right religious words.. but when examined by their fruit... its another story... stage players FF.. this planet is full of them...

                          Jesus said Woe unto them...

                          Man tries to put new wineskins on old dried up vile and bitter tasting wine... and he still tries to dress up that pig.. with lipstick and a dress...

                          God's Work FF.. starts on the Inside.... and moves outwardly..

                          not starting on the 'outside' by creating an 'image'.. and then leaving it at that.. with the 'insdie'. still rotten to the core.. the home of the serpent and scorpion..

                          that is no different Today.. as it was in Jesus Day....

                          Being Born AGain FF..

                          Is an Operation of God Himself.. He authorizes It.. and He Finishes it.. The Merits of It Belong to Him.. alone.. nobody else...

                          some have a real hard time with that.. because they have 'brought God down to man's level'.. in err.. belieiving that He has become subject unto his/her will... and at the beckoning call of him/her..

                          this done out pure 100% rebellion.. but dressed up like the 'real thing'...
                          Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
                          ------------------------------------------------
                          Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
                          ------------------------------------------------
                          The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
                          Jeremiah 31:3

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by theBelovedDisciple View Post
                            With God's Help FF you will DO THIS....

                            but to do it out of one's own power... it cannot be done...

                            the Pharisees of Jesus day.. just did that.. they 'tried' out of their own power... believing they were the children of God, Moses Disciples.. the sons of Abraham...... they 'appeared' righteous outwardly.. yet their inside was corrupt..

                            they acted the part.. Jesus called them 'hypocrites'... which when translasted.. means a 'stage player'...

                            saying the right words.. the religious words... appearing 'outwardly' righteous holy and just. quoting Scripture, loving the relgious greetings in the marketplace, the chief seats in the synagogues, the uppermost room at feasts... these appearing 'outwardly religious just and holy..... but the 'inside'.. rotten and dead to the core.. the home of the serpent and scorpion.. Jesus told His disciples.. to 'beware' of them.. that means to take heed... and 'watch'.. discern.... and He went on to say.. these shall Recieve Greater Damnation....

                            it is absolutely no different today.. Modern Day Pharisees and Scribes exist today...

                            these who love greetings in the market place, the chief seats in their religious establishment, the upper most rooms and postition in the feasts they attend.. seated at the head of the table for all to see and 'know'.. they say all the right religious words.. but when examined by their fruit... its another story... stage players FF.. this planet is full of them...

                            Jesus said Woe unto them...

                            Man tries to put new wineskins on old dried up vile and bitter tasting wine... and he still tries to dress up that pig.. with lipstick and a dress...

                            God's Work FF.. starts on the Inside.... and moves outwardly..

                            not starting on the 'outside' by creating an 'image'.. and then leaving it at that.. with the 'insdie'. still rotten to the core.. the home of the serpent and scorpion..

                            that is no different Today.. as it was in Jesus Day....

                            Being Born AGain FF..

                            Is an Operation of God Himself.. He authorizes It.. and He Finishes it.. The Merits of It Belong to Him.. alone.. nobody else...

                            some have a real hard time with that.. because they have 'brought God down to man's level'.. in err.. belieiving that He has become subject unto his/her will... and at the beckoning call of him/her..

                            this done out pure 100% rebellion.. but dressed up like the 'real thing'...
                            So if we are following the spirit are we not living according to the fruit of the spirit?

                            Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

                            Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

                            Are these not thing we need to do or portray?

                            Firstfruits

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                            • #15
                              One Has to be born of the incorruptible seed, whereas by nature one is born of corruptible seed. 1 pet 1:23

                              Being born again, not of corruptible seed [Adam], but of incorruptible [Christ], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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