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    Note: I'm a writer and trying to come up with a plot for a non fiction story about fallen angels. I'm trying to start with at least SOME biblical facts on Angels. However, any opinions would be more than welcome.

    1) Is there any indication on how many Angels were casted out of heaven in the bible

    2) When angels were cast out of heaven, where did they go and where would they be today?

    3) If a third of the Angels were expelled from heaven for rebelling against God and a third were expelled for not fighting with God, does the bible indicate any differences in the two types of Angles?

    4) If I remember correctly, at one point some Angels came down to earth and mated with human females which resulted in Giant sized offspring. Are there male and female angels?

    5) What does the bible say about the personalities of different Angels and how they treated each other and/or viewed humans?
    Last edited by James Fourate; May 17th 2010, 03:22 AM. Reason: Reorganizing questions

  • #2
    Originally posted by James Fourate View Post
    What does the bible say about the personalities of different Angels and how they treated each other and/or viewed humans?
    None that I'm aware of.
    Until you've lost all faith in humanity you will be forever blind.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by James Fourate View Post
      1) Is there any indication on how many Angels were casted out of heaven in the bible
      Nope.

      Some Christians commonly use Revelation 12 to say that one-third of the heavenly host were cast out of heaven, and since other Scripture says that there are "myriads of myriads, thousand of thousands" of angels, this would put the one-third in the, well, "myriads, thousands". However, the Revelation 12 text is using the same train of thought found in Daniel 8, in which the "stars" are explicitly identified as the (human) Covenant people of the nation of Israel. Since Revelation 12's use of language is based upon the language used in Daniel 8, it is most likely that Revelation 12 is not referring to a fall of one-third of the heavenly host, but rather, to Satan's demonic oppression of a portion of the (human) Covenant people.

      2) When angels were cast out of heaven, where did they go and where would they be today?
      As far as Scripture is able to indicate, the demons/fallen angels dwelt/dwell upon the earth. When being "exorcised", it seems that God places them in a prison-like abyss, of darkness and gloom, where they await their judgment.

      3) If a third of the Angels were expelled from heaven for rebelling against God
      As I mention above, the only Scripture used to indicate that one-third of the heavenly host rebelled is, more than likely, not actually even talking about angels. We do know that there are fallen angels/demons, but we are never given an indication of their total number, nor of their percentage of the total number.

      and a third were expelled for not fighting with God,
      Not Scriptural.

      does the bible indicate any differences in the two types of Angles?
      Nope.

      4) If I remember correctly, at one point some Angels came down to earth and mated with human females which resulted in Giant sized offspring. Are there male and female angels?
      This is Greek-pagan mythology that was weaved into the orthodox-Jewish faith around 300-100 BC. The group in question is called the "sons of God" (see Genesis 6), and is not referring to angels. Rather, the "sons of God" are human men who were faithful followers of God. The entire text is about man, and man's wickedness, and God's punishment against man. Nothing is spoken about angels.

      The "giants" is not a proper translation. The Hebrew term uses is "nephilim", which means "felling ones", that is, "those who fell (i.e. kill) others". This is consistent with the context, in which the narration describes "warriors of old" and "mighty men of renown". Nothing in Genesis 5 suggests that these people were human-angel hybrids, or that they were "giants".

      To answer your actual question, no, it does not seem that there are "male and female" angels. All angels in Scripture are spoken of in the masculine form, and are sometimes identified as "men", but this does not necessarily mean they are biologically male in the same way that human men are biologically male. It simply means that, as far as human beings can see, angels are masculine in form and personality.

      5) What does the bible say about the personalities of different Angels and how they treated each other and/or viewed humans?
      Not much. The only glimpse we can find about any angel's specific perception of man is Satan's, found in the book of Job. He did not believe that men were capable of faithfully following God in the face of disaster.
      To This Day

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      • #4
        Originally posted by James Fourate View Post
        2) When angels were cast out of heaven, where did they go and where would they be today?
        cast out of their spiritual position, not cast out of physical heaven. Cast back down to earth where they were and where they ascended from during the rebellion.

        Originally posted by James Fourate View Post
        3) If a third of the Angels were expelled from heaven for rebelling against God and a third were expelled for not fighting with God, does the bible indicate any differences in the two types of Angles?
        no. same.

        Originally posted by James Fourate View Post
        4) If I remember correctly, at one point some Angels came down to earth and mated with human females which resulted in Giant sized offspring. Are there male and female angels?
        Angels are always male in Scripture.

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        • #5
          Thank you Sirus and Markedward

          Its hard to separate the myths from the true biblical truths on Angels. Im still reaching for something that "could" indicate angels are still among us.

          Markedward, Im not sure what you meant in this reply "As far as Scripture is able to indicate, the demons/fallen angels dwelt/dwell upon the earth. When being "exorcised", it seems that God places them in a prison-like abyss, of darkness and gloom, where they await their judgment."

          I agree that demons/ fallen angels are exorcised in the bible, but Im "reaching" for something that could say either fallen Angels live "forever" in their original form or if they (as in demons) could only exist by possessing a human body. Like I said, what Im writing is non-fiction but it's so hard to speculate on how and if an angel could exits on earth today and in what form

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          • #6
            Revelation 12:7-9

            7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

            8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

            9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

            Sounds like Satan to me and other angels as well.

            cast out of their spiritual position, not cast out of physical heaven. Cast back down to earth where they were and where they ascended from during the rebellion.
            How many wars did the good and bad angels have???
            If Satan can keep us busy swinging our swords at one another, there is no hope of a united attack on the kingdom of darkness. KJV, NIV, ESV or ABCDEFG; there is no time to bicker over such things. We'll devour each other if allowed to continue. We should grab the marching orders written in the way we best understand and get to work.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by James Fourate View Post
              Markedward, Im not sure what you meant in this reply "As far as Scripture is able to indicate, the demons/fallen angels dwelt/dwell upon the earth. When being "exorcised", it seems that God places them in a prison-like abyss, of darkness and gloom, where they await their judgment."

              I agree that demons/ fallen angels are exorcised in the bible, but Im "reaching" for something that could say either fallen Angels live "forever" in their original form or if they (as in demons) could only exist by possessing a human body. Like I said, what Im writing is non-fiction but it's so hard to speculate on how and if an angel could exits on earth today and in what form
              Angels are spirits, and spirits do not have physical bodies of flesh and blood. Of course, they exist apart from "possessing a human body", but as Scripture shows, they are invisible to humans the vast majority of the time.

              It appears that when demons/fallen angels are "exorcised", they are permanently imprisoned by God, until the time of judgment. See 2 Peter 2.4 and Jude 6.
              To This Day

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              • #8
                Originally posted by markedward View Post
                Angels are spirits, and spirits do not have physical bodies of flesh and blood.
                What scripture would that be?

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                • #9
                  In Luke 10.17-20, Jesus refers to the demons of Satan as "spirits", while in Matthew 25.41, Jesus refers to them as "angels". In other words, the "fallen angels" are "spirits". Likewise, in Hebrews 1.13-14, the writer says that "the angels" who serve God are "ministering spirits".

                  By these, we see that "angels" are "spirits". And as Jesus said, "A spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have." [Luke 24.39]
                  To This Day

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                  • #10
                    Matthew 25.41 doesn't mention demons.

                    Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

                    Angels are created beings just as we are. They have bodies and are physical throughout the Bible and must be made spirits.

                    Are they not physical or spirits but really flames? It says they are flames of fire, right? So which is it?
                    Or is it referring to an angel going up in a flame (in front of Abraham, or was that Jacob?)?
                    It wasn't a flame, it was made a flame, just as they are made wind.

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                    • #11
                      Im thinking you may both be right. Is it possible that God's angels seem to have physical "bodies" but demons (fallen angels) can only have a physical body by possession? That kind of brings up another question for me to look into. When satan tempted Jesus, was it in his original physical form or did he possess a human body?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by James Fourate View Post
                        4) If I remember correctly, at one point some Angels came down to earth and mated with human females which resulted in Giant sized offspring. Are there male and female angels?
                        This occurred in Genesis 6. When it says "sons of God" this is said to be fallen angels. The same term is used in Job.

                        The sons of God came into the daughter of men and the result offspring was Giants/Nephelim.
                        BelieversNotes.com - Bible Study Notes

                        For it is better that he say to you, 'Come up here,' Than that you should be put lower in the presence of the prince, Whom your eyes have seen. ~ Proverbs 25:7

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                        • #13
                          I never looked it up but when I heard the story in Sunday School ( a LONG time ago) I always had the impression that they were Angels having offspring with human women. Like I said,what Im writing is non fiction so I have to take that one with grain of salt.

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                          • #14
                            So no other Angels were cast out of heaven besides the ones that fought against God and his Angels?

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                            • #15
                              1) Is there any indication on how many Angels were casted out of heaven in the bible
                              a third as far as I know from the scripture

                              2) When angels were cast out of heaven, where did they go and where would they be today?
                              It depends what heaven you are referring to. There are three heavens in the bible;
                              1. Where God is
                              2. Where the devil stays
                              3. Any distance higher than a man's height.

                              The bible referrs to different castings.
                              1. when satan rebelled and was cast out of the first heaven
                              2. In revelation, THIS IS YET TO TAKE PLACE.
                              It will take place in the future where the devil and his angels(demons, principalities, etc) will be cast out of the 2nd heaven. Currently they are occupying that place and influencing the world affairs. Revelation says there will be no more place found for him any longer. But CURRENTLY, he is in the 2nd heaven, reigning with the powers of darkness, and apears before God daily( with the holy angels) to present himself and accuse YOU. He is also able to move to the earth for his wicked activities. The same verse says that he accusses the brethren daily.This is a duty he performs until he is cast down after the milenial reign. Until this even happens, he is still ruling the world from the second heaven. Remember what he told Jesus; "the world and all the kingdoms have been given to me and I give them to whomever I will....". He took control after the fall of man. Jesus will come and take over since he has redeemed it.

                              3) If a third of the Angels were expelled from heaven for rebelling against God and a third were expelled for not fighting with God, does the bible indicate any differences in the two types of Angles?
                              I have never heard this from the bible. what is your source?, any scripture??? or is it just speculation?

                              4) If I remember correctly, at one point some Angels came down to earth and mated with human females which resulted in Giant sized offspring. Are there male and female angels?
                              The term 'sons of God' in the bible is used only in reference to angels. (See Job). I guess this is the group " ...that left their first estate and are now locked with chains, awaiting judgement...."
                              I tend to think there could be both male and female angels. I have heard of female demons and others that sleep with humans. This is still a mystery even to me because there is no refernce to female angels in the bible.

                              5) What does the bible say about the personalities of different Angels and how they treated each other and/or viewed humans?
                              The only reference as to personalities could be;-
                              angels are holy, loyal and perfect. They don't accept worship by men
                              Gabriel stands in the presence of God and usually makes important announcements and runs errands
                              Michael is mostly in charge of war. And the defence of Israel
                              Could Satan could be the third angel of the same hierachy tha fell with his third?
                              The bible refers to Satan as a seraph. He must have occupied a prievelleged position!

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