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  • Please Help Wills And Testaments???

    With all this talk of wills, testaments, covenants. How can a will and testament be nullified or voided?

    What does it mean if a will and testament has been nullified or voided?

    How does that apply to the following?

    a. The Mosaic/first covenant

    b. The New/second covenant

    Thanks

    Firstfruits

  • #2
    deep thought

    this is a deep question and I am not qualified to give you a real deep answer. but a simple thought to your question would be, as far as a will be nullified or void, to void a will would simple not to bring it about.

    as far as
    a. The Mosaic/first covenant

    b. The New/second covenant
    in a bulk the mosaic first covenant ( promise ) was that God would provide a way for His people to be restored to Him. and the second promise was that Jesus was that fulfillment of the first promise and that through Him and Him alone they can be restored, and not only can God's people be restored to him but that we the gentiles can be part of God's kingdom through Jesus Christ the fulfillment of both promises.

    Mt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Mt 5:18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Last edited by threebigrocks; Sep 9th 2008, 04:18 PM. Reason: Universalism
    Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Thaddaeus View Post
      this is a deep question and I am not qualified to give you a real deep answer. but a simple thought to your question would be, as far as a will be nullified or void, to void a will would simple not to bring it about.

      as far as
      a. The Mosaic/first covenant

      b. The New/second covenant
      in a bulk the mosaic first covenant ( promise ) was that God would provide a way for His people to be restored to Him. and the second promise was that Jesus was that fulfillment of the first promise and that through Him and Him alone they can be restored, and not only can God's people be restored to him but that we the gentiles can be part of God's kingdom through Jesus Christ the fulfillment of both promises.

      Mt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Mt 5:18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

      Thank you for your help and your information.

      God bless you.

      Firstfruits
      Last edited by threebigrocks; Sep 9th 2008, 04:19 PM.

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      • #4
        Who has the power?

        Who has the power/authority to cancel a will and testament?

        Firstfruits

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
          Who has the power/authority to cancel a will and testament?

          Firstfruits
          The person who wrote it. If your father has written a will giving you his wealth, then you are mocking or defiant of him, he might change his mind. Then He can write a new will, and the new will supersedes the previous one. He can decide to give his wealth to another.

          The person who is the recipient of the benefits of the will, cannot cancel the will. They can, however, choose not to receive the benefits by not following through on the actions necessary to gain that wealth.
          Blessings,

          Road Warrior


          Proverbs 4:23
          23 Guard your heart above all else,
          for it determines the course of your life.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RoadWarrior View Post
            The person who wrote it. If your father has written a will giving you his wealth, then you are mocking or defiant of him, he might change his mind. Then He can write a new will, and the new will supersedes the previous one. He can decide to give his wealth to another.

            The person who is the recipient of the benefits of the will, cannot cancel the will. They can, however, choose not to receive the benefits by not following through on the actions necessary to gain that wealth.
            Thank you RoadWarrior,

            Does that mean that if the person who wrote the will, makes a new will, what was in the previous one is null and void?

            Firstfruits

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
              Thank you RoadWarrior,

              Does that mean that if the person who wrote the will, makes a new will, what was in the previous one is null and void?

              Firstfruits
              If two wills are presented to the judge in a courtroom then the one with the latest date will be the one which determines the disposition of the wealth.

              If the second will is a valid, complete will and pertains to the entire estate, then the previous one has no value.

              The one who makes the will can make changes to the will by means of a document called a codicil, which changes some small portion of the will. This does not alter the rest of the original will.
              Blessings,

              Road Warrior


              Proverbs 4:23
              23 Guard your heart above all else,
              for it determines the course of your life.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RoadWarrior View Post
                If two wills are presented to the judge in a courtroom then the one with the latest date will be the one which determines the disposition of the wealth.

                If the second will is a valid, complete will and pertains to the entire estate, then the previous one has no value.

                The one who makes the will can make changes to the will by means of a document called a codicil, which changes some small portion of the will. This does not alter the rest of the original will.
                Thank you RoadWarrior,

                Your help is appreciated.

                If a new will is presented, when would that will come into force?

                Thanks again

                Firstfruits

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                  Thank you RoadWarrior,

                  Your help is appreciated.

                  If a new will is presented, when would that will come into force?

                  Thanks again

                  Firstfruits
                  Upon the fulfilment of the condition on which the enforcement is predicated. Whao! I sound like a 19th century lawyer. So am actually saying, usually, on the death of the testator and a final adjudication to that effect by a competent judge (in a probate). There I go again.

                  Does that mean that if the person who wrote the will, makes a new will, what was in the previous one is null and void?


                  The New Will revokes the old will only to the extent that they are inconsistent, except the testator expressily states that The Old will is voided (by the reason of The New Will) in which case there exist only one effective will, The New One.
                  You can NEVER Out-Give God. Try Him, you'll be embarrassed!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Steps View Post
                    Upon the fulfilment of the condition on which the enforcement is predicated. Whao! I sound like a 19th century lawyer. So am actually saying, usually, on the death of the testator and a final adjudication to that effect by a competent judge (in a probate). There I go again.

                    Does that mean that if the person who wrote the will, makes a new will, what was in the previous one is null and void?

                    The New Will revokes the old will only to the extent that they are inconsistent, except the testator expressily states that The Old will is voided (by the reason of The New Will) in which case there exist only one effective will, The New One.
                    Thank you Steps,

                    This has been very helpful.


                    Firstfruits

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                    • #11
                      With all the information that has been given, how does that apply to the following scriptures?

                      Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
                      15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
                      16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
                      17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

                      18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
                      19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
                      20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
                      21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
                      22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

                      Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
                      7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
                      8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
                      9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
                      10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
                      11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
                      12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
                      13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

                      Firstfruits

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                        With all the information that has been given, how does that apply to the following scriptures?

                        Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
                        15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
                        16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
                        17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
                        18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
                        19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
                        20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
                        21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
                        22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

                        Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
                        7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
                        8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
                        9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
                        10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
                        11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
                        12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
                        13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

                        Firstfruits
                        You are learning well, Grasshopper! Now put that into your own words, what does it speak to you?
                        Blessings,

                        Road Warrior


                        Proverbs 4:23
                        23 Guard your heart above all else,
                        for it determines the course of your life.

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                        • #13
                          These scriptures tell me, in pure logic,

                          1 There are 2 testaments: An Old (First) testament and A New (Second) testament. [I also think it is the Last Testament, seeing He is the last Adam]

                          2 The first testament had faults (found by the testator); the New Testament is complete and predicated upon Better promises

                          3. That the New Testatment took effect when the testator (Jesus) died, in the same way that the Old came into effect by reason of death, shedding of blood.

                          4. At any point where the Old testament departs from the New, the New, legally, should be upheld and take precedence

                          I have made these extremely straight-jacket deductions based on the discussion so far. Waiting for ur response.

                          But before I go I do have to say that the letter kills and but the spirit gives life
                          You can NEVER Out-Give God. Try Him, you'll be embarrassed!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RoadWarrior View Post
                            You are learning well, Grasshopper! Now put that into your own words, what does it speak to you?
                            Many are still blinded by the veil, and cannot see, they depend or rely on a will and testament that God himself has made null and void and by doing so reject the new, or reject Jesus as his death validated the New.

                            God bless you,

                            Firstfruits

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Steps View Post
                              These scriptures tell me, in pure logic,

                              1 There are 2 testaments: An Old (First) testament and A New (Second) testament. [I also think it is the Last Testament, seeing He is the last Adam]

                              2 The first testament had faults (found by the testator); the New Testament is complete and predicated upon Better promises

                              3. That the New Testament took effect when the testator (Jesus) died, in the same way that the Old came into effect by reason of death, shedding of blood.

                              4. At any point where the Old testament departs from the New, the New, legally, should be upheld and take precedence

                              I have made these extremely straight-jacket deductions based on the discussion so far. Waiting for ur response.

                              But before I go I do have to say that the letter kills and but the spirit gives life
                              Hence lieth the problem, according to the New covenant we are commanded to love one another and are told that doing so fulfils the law, this is hard for some to accept, but the New takes presidence over the first.

                              Firstfruits

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