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    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

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    Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

    Is what we view as slavery today functionally identical to the slavery being discussed in these scriptures?

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    • #3
      Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

      Not in the slightest.
      To This Day

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      • #4
        Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

        Jesus never said anything about slavery to my knowledge.

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        • #5
          Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

          It sounds like the same type of slaves as yesteryear to me, yeah.

          If they don't listen, kill them.

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          • #6
            Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

            Originally posted by Scottizzle View Post
            If they don't listen, kill them.
            Is that what the text says or what you want it to say so you can be angry at it?

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            • #7
              Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

              Where does it say "don't listen, kill them"????

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              • #8
                Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

                Originally posted by Scottizzle View Post
                Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

                The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

                When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
                None of those verses were Jesus speaking..which is what I think some of the objection is too here. Second, no slavery was completely different in the bible then what we see now a days. Now a days for instance, children and women are forced to be sex slaves against the will and children forced to work long hours or be beaten.

                You need to remember the Jews at times were slaves themselves and God saved them from slavery. There were many different types of slavery in the bible. In one type the person burrowed money from someone then worked for them 'as a slave' until the debt was paid off. One thing we have to consider when reading the bible is 'who' it was written too...and the time period it was written in. It was written during a time when kings still sat on thrones...people rode into battle on horse backs using spears and shooting arrows, battled with swords. Having alot of livestock and children meant a person was rich. People lived off the land. The culture was completely different then as to compared to now. When wars broke out the winning army would usually plunder the enemies land taking their livestock, their gold and sometimes their people. (Just watch any movies where the time frame was similar to this...all I can think of is Robin Hood right now... )

                Here is a good article on it:

                Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"

                Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 12 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?

                The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.

                The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible most definitely does condemn race-based slavery. Consider the slavery the Hebrews experienced when they were in Egypt. The Hebrews were slaves, not by choice, but because they were Hebrews (Exodus 13:14). The plagues God poured out on Egypt demonstrate how God feels about racial slavery (Exodus 7-11). So, yes, the Bible does condemn some forms of slavery. At the same time, the Bible does seem to allow for other forms. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

                In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8-10).

                Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.


                Slavery now many times happens in nations where they go after their own people..the poorest of the poor. They lie to parents saying they will provide a better life for their children..then force little children to work in brothels or being beaten if they don't..where adult men rape them..one after another after another...

                Of course God doesn't think that is ok. Slavery has changed drastically over time and only gotten worse.

                God bless
                "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                • #9
                  Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

                  The Luke passage was Jesus speaking. Also, Jesus does talk about slavery in parables.
                  Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

                  My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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                  • #10
                    Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

                    Originally posted by daughter View Post
                    The Luke passage was Jesus speaking. Also, Jesus does talk about slavery in parables.
                    Ok I guess I over looked that one...I always thought the servants were paid servants not slaves..


                    God bless
                    "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                    • #11
                      Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.



                      I do not see the idea of physical slavery being supported in the teachings of Christ. The fact that it was being practiced lead to it's being adresed in scripture.. many topics are addressed that are not advocated... divorce, slavery, etc...

                      There are worse forms of slavery then being in physical bonds.


                      John 8:31-36 (New King James Version)

                      The Truth Shall Make You Free

                      Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
                      They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
                      Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
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                      ~ * You get 10 'reps' to bless others with each day... don't log off until you have used them up......
                      ....Live your life the same way.... ~ *

                      Please pray for the 'Persecuted Church'.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

                        Originally posted by nzyr
                        The slavery in old testament times wasn't the same as what we're familiar with. A lot of times slaves were people working off debt.
                        I've always said loans today are just a form of modern slavery.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

                          Originally posted by TexUs View Post
                          I've always said loans today are just a form of modern slavery.
                          As is social security, welfare, unemployment benefits, Section 8 housing, food stamps, farm subsidies, etc., etc., etc.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

                            Originally posted by RabbiKnife View Post
                            As is social security, welfare, unemployment benefits, Section 8 housing, food stamps, farm subsidies, etc., etc., etc.
                            And the $80,000 toilet seats the military buys, LOL.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Did Jesus support slavery?

                              I have not looked up the original words used when Jesus mentions slaves or when OT mentions slaves, but I do know that Mosaic law allowed Jews to indenture themselves as servants to another Jew for a period of seven years which is as close to slavery that the Jews were allowed to practice.
                              Jews may have been able to take on Gentile indentured servants also, I don't know, its been a long time since I've looked at these subjects.

                              So, maybe the words in our bibles have been translated indentured servant to slave, easy thing to check out with an online bible concordance or a bible concordance book, take your pick.
                              Give it a look Scottizzle

                              Father bless you and yours.

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