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    I was saved a little over three years ago. I have fought with this question ever since. I was raised as a child to believe that after I was saved it was up to me to stay saved. What I mean is every time I sin, I am on my way to hell until I get it forgiven. I have to say Im on my way to hell daily if this is true. I really try not to do wrong but seems like at some point in the day I will do or think something that is wrong. So whats the answer? Is a person saved for good? Is my name in the Book of Life for good? or does God erase it every time I fail? I love the Lord and yes I truly got saved. But this belief of not knowing day to day if I have my bases covered is killing me. I want security in my Lord. I want peace in knowing if I suddenly die Im going to be with my Lord. I have been praying and praying that God will show me His truth. Please pray for me to get this answered. I really need peace so I can grow spiritually.

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    Hey I think you need to post this on bible chat...great questions but on the prayer form we are only allowed to pray for you and not go further then that. I can understand your turmoil. I will say this...ALL you have to do is ask for forgiveness when you mess up and you ARE forgiven. you ARE saved! Jesus died for us WHILE we were still sinners..and promises to never leave us or forsake us. I sin daily but I don't think I am going to hell as I know I am saved.
    Hebrews 13:5
    .. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

    It doesn't say...unless you sin..

    I will be praying for you!

    God bless
    "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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    • #3
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      • #4
        Originally posted by moonglow View Post
        Hey I think you need to post this on bible chat...great questions but on the prayer form we are only allowed to pray for you and not go further then that. I can understand your turmoil. I will say this...ALL you have to do is ask for forgiveness when you mess up and you ARE forgiven. you ARE saved! Jesus died for us WHILE we were still sinners..and promises to never leave us or forsake us. I sin daily but I don't think I am going to hell as I know I am saved.
        Hebrews 13:5
        .. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

        It doesn't say...unless you sin..

        I will be praying for you!

        God bless
        Good suggestion, moonglow. Just saw this thread and moved it here.

        wiseoldowl.
        "The flowers appear on the earth,
        the time of singing has come,
        and the voice of the turtledove
        is heard in our land
        ." SofS 2:12 (RSV)

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        • #5
          Acts 13

          38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

          In other words...your sins ARE forgiven. There is not one thing in the bible that says we have to get resaved every time we sin..

          I'll post more verses as I find them.

          God bless
          "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bornagain View Post
            I was saved a little over three years ago. I have fought with this question ever since. I was raised as a child to believe that after I was saved it was up to me to stay saved. What I mean is every time I sin, I am on my way to hell until I get it forgiven. I have to say Im on my way to hell daily if this is true. I really try not to do wrong but seems like at some point in the day I will do or think something that is wrong. So whats the answer? Is a person saved for good? Is my name in the Book of Life for good? or does God erase it every time I fail? I love the Lord and yes I truly got saved. But this belief of not knowing day to day if I have my bases covered is killing me. I want security in my Lord. I want peace in knowing if I suddenly die Im going to be with my Lord. I have been praying and praying that God will show me His truth. Please pray for me to get this answered. I really need peace so I can grow spiritually.
            When a baby first learns to walk . . . what does a good parent do when that baby falls? Does he give up on this child and refuse to have anything to do with it from that point forward or does the parent help the child to its feet and get them off and walking again? Our falls do not cause our Father to toss us away. However, just as the baby learning to walk, your falls should become less and less the more you learn and grow in your walk with the Lord. It's those who choose to stay on the floor that have a problem.
            "What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."

            -- Dr. Neil T. Anderson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bornagain View Post
              I was saved a little over three years ago. I have fought with this question ever since. I was raised as a child to believe that after I was saved it was up to me to stay saved. What I mean is every time I sin, I am on my way to hell until I get it forgiven. I have to say Im on my way to hell daily if this is true. I really try not to do wrong but seems like at some point in the day I will do or think something that is wrong. So whats the answer? Is a person saved for good? Is my name in the Book of Life for good? or does God erase it every time I fail? I love the Lord and yes I truly got saved. But this belief of not knowing day to day if I have my bases covered is killing me. I want security in my Lord. I want peace in knowing if I suddenly die Im going to be with my Lord. I have been praying and praying that God will show me His truth. Please pray for me to get this answered. I really need peace so I can grow spiritually.
              I think the vast majority of us have faced this dilemma. I went through a lot of pain and anguish with this very thought. In the end, I realized my entire self examiniation in this area was a result of the Holy Spirit convicting me. The very fact that you have this concern I beleive God is having His way with you. Praise Him for that! My prayers for others usually are that God's will be done no matter what the cost. I can tell you that cost will be in the area in your life that you have the most self asssurance in.

              Until I asked God to deliver me no matter what the cost, I desparately wanted a real relationship with Him, not just a base of knowledge. He choose to break me where I was strongest, and for me that was self-reliance on my talent and skills to produce income. My reliance shifted from my own efforts to Him. Yes, He really does provide; and I am here to tell you that I still don't understand how, against all circumstantial odds, He does it. Right now, it's day by day, sometimes hour by hour. He's forcing me to focus on Him and the now. Every time I look into the future, the enemy is sitting there, lying to me, telling me to rely on my own understanding.

              So, I want to tell you that you are in God's will right now. Jesus didn't come primairly to make you 'good', He came to give you life and draw you close to Him. Learn His ways, let Him have His way with you, and your life will become abundant in ways I can't even explain.

              You're saved, my brother. Hang on to the horns of His throne and don't let go. And even if you do, He is faithful. He won't let go.

              shalom
              Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bornagain View Post
                I really need peace so I can grow spiritually.
                You will never have peace and grow if you feel you are in constant danger of losing your salvation.

                Here is what Paul said to the Galatians, who were told that they had to keep the law after they trusted Christ:

                "You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" Galatians 3:1-3

                Remember these two points:

                1) When Jesus died on the cross 2000 yrs ago, all of your sins were future sins. He paid for every sin you would ever commit in your whole life. So were you saved just from the sins you committed up until 3yrs ago, or from the whole sin package? THE WHOLE SIN PACKAGE!

                2) You didn't do anything good to GET saved, therefore you don't have to to do anything good to STAY saved.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bornagain View Post
                  I was saved a little over three years ago. I have fought with this question ever since. I was raised as a child to believe that after I was saved it was up to me to stay saved. What I mean is every time I sin, I am on my way to hell until I get it forgiven. I have to say Im on my way to hell daily if this is true. I really try not to do wrong but seems like at some point in the day I will do or think something that is wrong. So whats the answer? Is a person saved for good? Is my name in the Book of Life for good? or does God erase it every time I fail? I love the Lord and yes I truly got saved. But this belief of not knowing day to day if I have my bases covered is killing me. I want security in my Lord. I want peace in knowing if I suddenly die Im going to be with my Lord. I have been praying and praying that God will show me His truth. Please pray for me to get this answered. I really need peace so I can grow spiritually.
                  If it were up to us to "stay saved" then the sacrifice that Christ made on our behalf wouldn't be worth much, would it?

                  I understand your concern. I attended a church for years that taught this: You sin in thought, word and deed every day. If you should die with unforgiven sin on your soul, you will go to hell." Then I started to wonder - what if I had a sinful thought, or committed some sin and before I could repent, I was hit by a bus. Would I go to hell?

                  Well, Scripture is very clear on this. All the saved people are kept by God's power and are secure iin Christ forever. Look at the following verses. John 5:24; 6:37-40; 10:27-30; Romans 5:9-10; 8:31-9; 1 Corinthians 1:4-9; Eph. 4:30. We are not free to willingly sin, and we are called to live a holy life, but we ARE FORGIVEN if we have accepted Christ as Savior. To say anything else says that our works save us or "unsave" us. Christ died for sin "once and for all." It is about him, not about us.

                  I know that this will probably start a big controversy over "eternal security" vs. "conditional salvation", as it always has, but it breaks my heart to see Christians constantly worrying if they're "measuring up" or if they're "good enough" for God to keep them saved.

                  Take a look at Ephesians 2:4-10 This passage gives us the source and purpose of eternal redemption.

                  There's a wonderful study guide by Charles Stanley called "Understanding Eternal Security". It's part of his In Touch study series. You can pick it up for about $9.00 at any Christian book store or you could order it online at www.intouch.org I think that's the link. If not, you could "google" Charles Stanley.

                  I hope this helps you. Please realize that you are a child of God and "no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand ...." (John 10:27-30)

                  Resting in peace (but more alive than ever)
                  graceforme
                  "I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High." Psalm 9:2

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bornagain View Post
                    I was saved a little over three years ago. I have fought with this question ever since. I was raised as a child to believe that after I was saved it was up to me to stay saved. What I mean is every time I sin, I am on my way to hell until I get it forgiven. I have to say Im on my way to hell daily if this is true. I really try not to do wrong but seems like at some point in the day I will do or think something that is wrong. So whats the answer? Is a person saved for good? Is my name in the Book of Life for good? or does God erase it every time I fail? I love the Lord and yes I truly got saved. But this belief of not knowing day to day if I have my bases covered is killing me. I want security in my Lord. I want peace in knowing if I suddenly die Im going to be with my Lord. I have been praying and praying that God will show me His truth. Please pray for me to get this answered. I really need peace so I can grow spiritually.

                    Salvation in The Orthodox Concept

                    I) The Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ & Salvation:

                    Salvation is only available through the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, “without
                    shedding of blood there is no remission” (Heb 9:22). The Passover lamb was a symbol of our Lord, “For
                    indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us” (1Cor 5:7). Through the blood of the lamb, the
                    Israelites were saved from death, “Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are,
                    and when I see the blood, I will pass over you and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I
                    strike the land of Egypt” (Ex 12:13). Through this precious blood sins are remitted and we enter in a
                    new covenant with God, “This is My blood of the new covenant which is shed for many for the
                    remission of sins” (Mt 26:28).

                    http://www.suscopts.org/messages/lec...erlecture8.pdf

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                    • #11
                      We are told of types and shadows in scripture. I have often struggled with Leviticus, but I heard this taught by Paul Blacker and Joseph Steinberg. There is more to this, but I will try and keep it short.


                      Lev 16:3 Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
                      Lev 16:4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen miter shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

                      Lev 16:5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
                      Lev 16:6 And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house.
                      Lev 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
                      Lev 16:8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
                      Lev 16:9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
                      Lev 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.


                      Lev 16:26 And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.

                      There are many different offerings and sacrifices shown, but they all point to what the Once Sacrifice of the True Lamb of God.

                      Firstly it was pointed out that Aaron had to put on Holy garments. He was not in himself without sin, but he had to put on the holy garments to appear holy. We have to put on Christ, and put on our garments.

                      There were two goats. One to provide the blood and the other was sent outside the camp, into the wilderness.

                      Aaron had to lay hands one the one goat, and place all the sins of Israel on the head of that goat. Just as 'ALL' our sins have been placed on Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. [as Enoch365 has pointed out "without
                      shedding of blood there is no remission” (Heb 9:22)] The wages of sin is death.
                      Christ died once for 'all' our sins. The price has been paid, and no just court would legally demand the payment twice.

                      The second goat was called the scapegoat. This goat was led into the wilderness, far outside the camp. This signifies that the sins were far removed away, and not to be brought back.

                      The person who led the goat away into the wilderness, had to remove all his garments and wash himself, before he was allowed to enter the camp.

                      The shadow and type is for the flesh. We can learn from them, but we should not walk in them. We should walk in the Spirit (In the Light, not in the shadow).

                      Because 'all' our sins have been paid for we are now justified (just as if I'd never sinned)
                      We cannot now be separated for our Heavenly Father, as far as 'kinship' is concerned. We are now 'in Christ' His children. We can however be out of fellowship with our Heavenly Father.
                      We can and will be (when necessary) subjected to His chastisements. For He who began a good thing in us, shall complete it. He will present us to His Father, without spot or stain.

                      If we sin, we need to confess our sin (admit, own up, stick your hand up), to restore our fellowship. That can only be with a good conscience. Our faith will be weak, we will lack a boldness to enter into the holiest place, because it is a dangerous thing to enter without the blood.

                      It is all about a good conscience before God.
                      I heard it said, that the 'conscience' is like a bucket that holds our faith. If our 'conscience' has holes in it, our faith leaks out.

                      1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

                      Act 23:1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God unto this day.

                      Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
                      Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
                      Act 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God, and toward men.

                      * The exercising in having a conscience void of offense toward God, is by having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

                      Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

                      Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
                      Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


                      Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

                      Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
                      Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
                      Heb 10:21 And having a high priest over the house of God;


                      Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
                      Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

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                      • #12
                        I believe the text you want is 1Jn.1:7 'if we walk in the light as He
                        Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the
                        blood of His Son cleanses us from all sin."

                        You know if your walking with God and you know when your walking away
                        from God. You know when you've gone back to the world of darkness,
                        quit fellowshipping and your back to running with the guys. Lost state!

                        If they say you can't fall don't believe them. Try looking up Heb.6:1-8;
                        How about Ac.5:1ff Ananias and Sapphira, I guess they didn't fall away,
                        they just fell dead! for lying to the HS. How about Demas who returned
                        to the world in 2Tim.4:9; Or then there was those Peter condemns in
                        2Pe.2:10-22 vs.20 having escaped the defilement...but are entangled again
                        ...last is worse than the first...dog to its vomit. Try Rev.2:20-23 Jezebeel
                        and her children, if they repented would have been saved but they didn't.

                        OSAS will say they were never a Christian, I don't buy it. You can loose
                        your salvation Gal.5:4 - have fallen from grace.

                        How you loose your salvation is by walking away from God because He will
                        never walk away from you. And you know your walking away from Him.
                        like the prodigal son, he left till he came to his senses then returned, but
                        how many never come to their senses? 2Tim.2:24-26 is he not talking
                        about Christians?

                        1Jn.5:13 I have written to you...so that you may know you have eternal
                        life!!! You know because you know the Truth - the Truth sets us free.
                        If you waking the walk your in the light, nothing to fear, your not earning
                        your salvation, your holding on to it. When your walking in darkness, sin
                        is overtaking you, God hasn't lost you, you've walked away from Him, your
                        a free agent, free will.

                        OSAS is false security, we have to daily examine ourselves, 2Cor.13:5;
                        God wishes none to fail so He has supplied the Word to give us the power
                        to stay on the straight and narrow. Ro.1:16

                        RJ Mac

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                        • #13
                          Eternal Security

                          I like what Charles Stanley has to say about eternal security in "Understanding Eternal Security" - 'To say that you can negate your salvation by your sin is to say that Christ's death on the cross was not sufficient for your salvation in the first place. It is to say that something else had to be done to win or earn salvation - in essence, a person had to believe in Jesus Christ as the one, true, substitutionary, and atoning sacrifice and then continue to life a sin-free life. At no time is this requirement set forth in the Bible.

                          Christ's death was sufficient to pay your sin debt in full. Jesus paid it all. To believe otherwise is to hold the position that in some way Jesus' shed blood was an inadequate price for your eternal life. No person in his right mind would go to the bank to make a payment on a loan, discover that a benefactor had paid the loan in full, and then argue with the teller that even though the debt papers were stamped "Paid in Full", he still wanted to continue to make payments! To the contrary, such a person is likely to go running and skipping from that bank, shouting, "It's paid! It's paid!"

                          The same holds for our salvation. Jesus paid it all. When we think that there is anything we must do - or even can do - to add to the security of our salvation, we are attempting to pay for something that has already been purchased and given to us as a free gift motivated by God's love and mercy.

                          Why do people continue to try to pay for the free salvation Jesus has granted to them? I believe the main reason is pride. People want to think they have deserved or earned anything they have. We are reluctant receivers. Nevertheless, a "receiver" is precisely the position we are in. Our response should be thanksgiving and praise!

                          Is it "cheap salvation" because all that is required of us is our belief and our receiving of what is offered to us as a free gift of God? No! Our salvation cost Jesus' life, and there was nothing "cheap" about that! Our salvation is expensive salvation, but it is salvation that is offered to us as a precious, highly valuable, to-be-treasured gift. We must never take our salvation lightly. At the same time, there is nothing we can do to deserve or to win our salvation as an award or reward.

                          The simple truth is this: you can't pay for your salvation, either before or after you receive it. Christ already paid for it.'

                          He goes on to say, 'What you believe about eternal security has a direct bearing on your daily life. If you believe your salvation can be "lost,", then you will take one of two positions: 1) You will be in a state of constantly striving to "keep" your salvation, which often ends in great anxiety or perhaps a false sense of righteousness, or 2) You will be in a state of feeling the futility of your efforts - a feeling of frustration and despair - because eventually you will be forced to face the fact that you have not led a sin-free life since you believed in Christ, and you will not be able to lead such a life in the future.'

                          Personally, I have to believe that the blood of Christ, which was powerful enough to save me, is powerful enough to KEEP me saved! It's the difference between law and grace. (Ephesians 2:8)

                          Many blessings to all.
                          "I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High." Psalm 9:2

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bornagain View Post
                            I was saved a little over three years ago. I have fought with this question ever since. I was raised as a child to believe that after I was saved it was up to me to stay saved. What I mean is every time I sin, I am on my way to hell until I get it forgiven. I have to say Im on my way to hell daily if this is true. I really try not to do wrong but seems like at some point in the day I will do or think something that is wrong. So whats the answer? Is a person saved for good? Is my name in the Book of Life for good? or does God erase it every time I fail? I love the Lord and yes I truly got saved. But this belief of not knowing day to day if I have my bases covered is killing me. I want security in my Lord. I want peace in knowing if I suddenly die Im going to be with my Lord. I have been praying and praying that God will show me His truth. Please pray for me to get this answered. I really need peace so I can grow spiritually.

                            If you know in your heart that you were saved by repentance and putting on the new man and letting the old die away - you are a Christian my friend. You accepted Christ's sacrifice on the cross which makes our sin as far as the east from the west. You are not the same person. Walk in who you are and know that as you grow and mature in your faith letting sin fall by the wayside will become easier.

                            Your bases are not "covered" by anything you do - they were covered at the cross where all sin is defeated for those who follow Christ! The work needed has been done. now you need to walk in who you are now and grow from a new born in Christ into a mature Christian. That sin is in your past, look to the future.

                            What are you doing now that can grow your faith? Being so focused on sin will hold you back.
                            Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
                            Not second or third, but first.
                            Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
                            when He is the source of all hope,
                            when His love is received and freely given,
                            holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
                            will all other things be added unto to you.

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                            • #15
                              Wonderful counsel here on this thread, born again. Personally, I rejoice and thank the Lord for it.

                              A fellow once asked me many years ago, "are you resting in Christ?" After all had that been said and done, I guess that became the question that did it for me.

                              "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." He4:1

                              "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said..." He 4:3a
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