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    Before Jesus returns the USA will not be a defender Israel?

    Today Israel has one ally who guarantees their security, the United States.

    Pressure is growing for Israel to make peace and give back the Temple Mount and make Jerusalem an international city. Israel rejects these suggestions for peace from the world community.

    The world views peace between Israel and its Muslim neighbors as the key to world peace. This creates serious problems for Israel.

    The prophets of Israel foretold great struggles over Jerusalem involving the nations of the world.

    Over 3 billion of the Earth’s 6 plus billion population have a spiritual connection with Jerusalem. The Catholics are 1 billion, 1 billion Protestants, 1.3 billion Muslims and 20 million Jews.


    Zech 12:3 “And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.
    It takes love to embrace those ones who are weak, and strength to endure the weakness, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me

  • #2
    I don't about America, but I sure will, till my dying day. Its in my best interest, you see.

    Am not a Jew. Am Nigerian, see. But I pray for Israel everyday.
    You can NEVER Out-Give God. Try Him, you'll be embarrassed!

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    • #3
      Steps, I thank God for Israel, if it had not been for their eyes being closed for a season, I would have been lost. I speak no harm and have no ill will against Israel, they are God's chosen people.

      I do believe the enemy from the East (maybe China) and the enemy from the West (Russia?) will march against them, and the USA will not be there to defend them, because of political or financial reasons (I don't know) but they will be saved by the Messiah for the whole world to see, and they will recognize HIM and bow every knee as well
      It takes love to embrace those ones who are weak, and strength to endure the weakness, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me

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      • #4
        The Bible is quite clear that, in the end, every nation on earth will come against Israel at Armageddon. There are no exceptions listed. Sadly, that will include the United States, or whatever is left of us by that time. Evidently, we will have a policy change on Israel at some point in the future - it's inevitable.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Literalist-Luke View Post
          The Bible is quite clear that, in the end, every nation on earth will come against Israel at Armageddon. There are no exceptions listed. Sadly, that will include the United States, or whatever is left of us by that time. Evidently, we will have a policy change on Israel at some point in the future - it's inevitable.

          exactly! I from the scriptures percieve that the US will not be a world power at the endtimes or at least a significant one.

          Talking about mixed emotions.... I count it joy at the coming of our Lord.
          It takes love to embrace those ones who are weak, and strength to endure the weakness, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me

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          • #6
            America probably always will defend Israel, even unto our own deaths. We are already their client-state, but we are turning even more and more so every election.

            Jerusalem could be incinerated by a nuclear weapon, the America's in the world could step up and retaliate against whoever did it, and Armageddon would result--and the whole thing would be very much consistent with Scripture.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by IPet2_9 View Post
              America probably always will defend Israel, even unto our own deaths. We are already their client-state, but we are turning even more and more so every election.

              Jerusalem could be incinerated by a nuclear weapon, the America's in the world could step up and retaliate against whoever did it, and Armageddon would result--and the whole thing would be very much consistent with Scripture.
              Wow, that's a pretty anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic attitude. To say that we're Israeli's client state is to say that Jews run the government.

              Even if what you say is true (and it's not, it's just anti-Semitic propaganda) it'd be an honor to die for Israel.

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              • #8
                Wow, that's a pretty anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic attitude. To say that we're Israeli's client state is to say that Jews run the government.
                Anti-semitic? No. I very much advocate the human rights of semitic peoples. Anti-Zionist? You better believe I am. And I am in solidarity with several Jews on the matter, without apology.
                http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

                As far as Jews running the government, obviously I didn't imply that Jews run the government. I implied Israel runs the goverment. You are falsely playing the race card (on multiple levels) on a political issue. Don't take it from me, though, take it straight from someone else whom everybody adores:

                Every time we do something, you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear: don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it. -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon October 3, 2001 (IAP News)

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                • #9
                  I hope not.
                  It's getting old defending a nation not my own that half the world wants to nuke.
                  Always give God credit first.

                  "Dost thou think because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale?"
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                  • #10
                    apothanein,

                    What's wrong with being "anti-Zionist"?

                    Originally posted by always View Post
                    I do believe the enemy from the East (maybe China) and the enemy from the West (Russia?)
                    Russia is hardly to the west of Israel.
                    To This Day

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                    • #11
                      Simple - to be anti-Zionist is to be anti-God.

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                      • #12
                        Always,

                        I agree with you, I think in order for the prophecies to take place, the US will not be able to defend Israel as we have been able to previously. For now the surrounding nations don't try to destroy Israel because they know the US will help and we are a formidable ally. But it could come to the point where we are just struggling to defend ourselves against those same enemies. At that time, the enemies of Israel will be emboldened to do what they've been saying they have wanted to do for a long time -- drive Israel into the sea. We have to be out of the picture because God is the one who will save her.

                        Joel 3:9-21

                        9 Proclaim this among the nations:"Prepare for war!
                        Wake up the mighty men,
                        Let all the men of war draw near,
                        Let them come up.
                        10 Beat your plowshares into swords
                        And your pruning hooks into spears;
                        Let the weak say, 'I am strong.'"
                        11 Assemble and come, all you nations,
                        And gather together all around.
                        Cause Your mighty ones to go down there, O LORD.
                        12 "Let the nations be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
                        For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
                        13 Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.
                        Come, go down;
                        For the winepress is full,
                        The vats overflow — For their wickedness is great."

                        14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
                        For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
                        15 The sun and moon will grow dark,
                        And the stars will diminish their brightness.
                        16 The LORD also will roar from Zion,
                        And utter His voice from Jerusalem;
                        The heavens and earth will shake;
                        But the LORD will be a shelter for His people,
                        And the strength of the children of Israel.
                        17 "So you shall know that I am the LORD your God,
                        Dwelling in Zion My holy mountain.
                        Then Jerusalem shall be holy,
                        And no aliens shall ever pass through her again."
                        18 God Blesses His People
                        And it will come to pass in that day
                        That the mountains shall drip with new wine,
                        The hills shall flow with milk,
                        And all the brooks of Judah shall be flooded with water;
                        A fountain shall flow from the house of the LORD
                        And water the Valley of Acacias.

                        19 "Egypt shall be a desolation,
                        And Edom a desolate wilderness,
                        Because of violence against the people of Judah,
                        For they have shed innocent blood in their land.
                        20 But Judah shall abide forever,
                        And Jerusalem from generation to generation.
                        21 For I will acquit them of the guilt of bloodshed,
                        whom I had not acquitted;
                        For the LORD dwells in Zion."
                        NKJV
                        Love In Christ,
                        Tanya






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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TanyaP View Post
                          Always,

                          I agree with you, I think in order for the prophecies to take place, the US will not be able to defend Israel as we have been able to previously. For now the surrounding nations don't try to destroy Israel because they know the US will help and we are a formidable ally. But it could come to the point where we are just struggling to defend ourselves against those same enemies. At that time, the enemies of Israel will be emboldened to do what they've been saying they have wanted to do for a long time -- drive Israel into the sea. We have to be out of the picture because God is the one who will save her.

                          Joel 3:9-21

                          9 Proclaim this among the nations:"Prepare for war!
                          Wake up the mighty men,
                          Let all the men of war draw near,
                          Let them come up.
                          10 Beat your plowshares into swords
                          And your pruning hooks into spears;
                          Let the weak say, 'I am strong.'"
                          11 Assemble and come, all you nations,
                          And gather together all around.
                          Cause Your mighty ones to go down there, O LORD.
                          12 "Let the nations be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
                          For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
                          13 Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.
                          Come, go down;
                          For the winepress is full,
                          The vats overflow — For their wickedness is great."

                          14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
                          For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
                          15 The sun and moon will grow dark,
                          And the stars will diminish their brightness.
                          16 The LORD also will roar from Zion,
                          And utter His voice from Jerusalem;
                          The heavens and earth will shake;
                          But the LORD will be a shelter for His people,
                          And the strength of the children of Israel.
                          17 "So you shall know that I am the LORD your God,
                          Dwelling in Zion My holy mountain.
                          Then Jerusalem shall be holy,
                          And no aliens shall ever pass through her again."
                          18 God Blesses His People
                          And it will come to pass in that day
                          That the mountains shall drip with new wine,
                          The hills shall flow with milk,
                          And all the brooks of Judah shall be flooded with water;
                          A fountain shall flow from the house of the LORD
                          And water the Valley of Acacias.

                          19 "Egypt shall be a desolation,
                          And Edom a desolate wilderness,
                          Because of violence against the people of Judah,
                          For they have shed innocent blood in their land.
                          20 But Judah shall abide forever,
                          And Jerusalem from generation to generation.
                          21 For I will acquit them of the guilt of bloodshed,
                          whom I had not acquitted;
                          For the LORD dwells in Zion."
                          NKJV
                          I wonder if one other way to answer the OP is to ask if we said that America will be a non-factor for these prophecies?

                          I just hate to think of an America that doesn't support Israel.

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                          • #14
                            Simple - to be anti-Zionist is to be anti-God.

                            You got it backwards: to be Zionist is to be pro-Satan.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IPet2_9 View Post
                              You got it backwards: to be Zionist is to be pro-Satan.
                              How so? Satan set up a covenant with the Jews?

                              Last time I checked, God is the one that established the covenant with the Jews. Why are you calling God Satan? Why do you believe God is evil?

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