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    Passover

    The children of Israel were slaves in Egypt and Moses was sent by God along with his brother, Aaron to talk to Pharaoh the leader or Egypt about letting the people go so that they may make a sacrifice to God. They originally were not trying to leave Egypt permanently, but Pharaoh, of course, did not keep his word and even after they were given permission to leave, he sent his armies after them.

    In order for Moses to convince Pharaoh to let them go, God had given Moses the ability to do miracles with the use of a rod. He turned the rod into a snake, he caused a plague of frogs, plague of lice, and swarms of flies. Then the livestock were stricken, and boils infected animals and people. Hail and fire came next, then a plague of locusts - there was a total of 10 plagues.

    Every time Pharaoh would give permission for them to leave, Moses would reverse the plague, but Pharaoh would change his mind again and still refuse to let the children of Israel go.

    The final blow was when God said, if he didn't let them go He would strike the first born of every household dead. This would be everyone in Egypt both the Israelites and the Egyptians. Read the entire story in the Book of Exodus starting with Chapter 1 -11.

    Exodus Chapter 12 describes the first Passover. Moses and Aaron were given instructions for every household to have a lamb, how to choose the lamb - spotless and without blemish - how to prepare the lamb, and how to kill the lamb.
    The death of an innocent lamb was required to cover the sin of a household. The death angel was going to pass over Egypt on this particular night, but any household who had the blood of the lamb on their doorpost was spared.

    Were there any people in any of these houses who were sinful? Of course! What determined who died and who did not? - The blood of the lamb!


    Exodus 12:12, 23, 30b

    On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn -both men and animals - and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord. The blood will be a sign for you on the house where you are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.

    23 When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

    and there was loud wailing in Egypt for there was not a house without someone dead.

    New Testament

    John 1:29
    The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
    "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

  • #2
    What point are you making?

    That God laid down conditions for 'passing over' His people - and that His Conditions for each individual to be Saved by Jesus must be met too, so each individual must apply the Blood of Jesus to their lives by repenting and trusting Him to be their crucified and risen Passover lamb?

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    • #3
      Frances,

      Exactly. Just as the children of Israel had to apply the blood to the doorposts of their home in order to be saved from destruction. We are saved by the blood of Jesus, who was the perfect lamb of God.

      Lisa
      "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

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      • #4
        Hi Lisadawn,

        What requirements do you see in scriptures as being necessary in order to be saved from destruction under the New Covenant of Christ?

        God bless!


        [CENTER][SIZE=2]A FEW MINUTES WITH SOMEONE WHO LOVES YOU

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        • #5
          Matt14,

          First let me say that I posted the Passover post because this coming week begins Passover.

          The Old Testament points to the Cross. Jesus' once for all sacrifice and the shedding of His blood, satisfied God's righteous requirement for our sins to be forgiven.

          You asked what requirement under the New Covenant needs to be met for us to be saved from destruction. If by destruction we mean, eternal damnation the requirement would be to believe that Jesus died for our sins. Each individual believing that he/she has sinned, must by faith put their faith in the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross.

          You may comment further if you would like on how the Blood and the Cross is important for Sanctification as well.

          Lisa
          "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

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          • #6
            What about repentance? Is that necessary, in your opinion?


            [CENTER][SIZE=2]A FEW MINUTES WITH SOMEONE WHO LOVES YOU

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Matt14 View Post
              What about repentance? Is that necessary, in your opinion?
              Yes.

              Since I was saved when I was 10, I didn't know all of the terminology. I just accepted Christ in simple childlike faith.

              By repentance, if you mean a person admits they have sinned and doesn't want to any more. I am not sure where you are going with this. Perhaps some people get saved because they think Jesus is going to give them a better life. Then they find that their life may even get worse. Salvation is actually salvation from hell.

              Lisa
              "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

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              • #8
                Hi LisaDawn...there is another "Passover" thread posted in the Apologetics forum that was first displayed on March 7th. You may, or may not, be interested in the posting's on that thread.
                God Bless
                Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OneStep View Post
                  Hi LisaDawn...there is another "Passover" thread posted in the Apologetics forum that was first displayed on March 7th. You may, or may not, be interested in the posting's on that thread.
                  God Bless
                  Thanks OneStep.

                  I went over there and posted. My main reason for writing about Passover is that I am interested in how the blood sacrifices in the Old Testament point to the final sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. On the thread that you mentioned I commented on the fact that Jesus was in Jerusalem actually sharing the Passover feast with his disciples. I am no expert, OK, but very interested. What my question was...... did Jesus not actually die on the Day of Atonement? How does that compare with Passover on the calendar?

                  I am not particularly worried about staying on topic. Anyone reading this can go in any direction you want. I can't believe I said that! Ok, within reason.

                  Lisa
                  "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Matt14 View Post
                    What about repentance? Is that necessary, in your opinion?
                    How does one turn away (repent) from what he loves, and in fact is enslaved to?

                    Keep in mind that I do believe it is possible, I would just like to see your take on this.
                    If we doubt or do not believe that God is gracious to us and is pleased with us, or if we presumptuously expect to please Him only through and after our works, then it is all pure deception, outwardly honoring God, but inwardly setting up self as a false [savior].... (Part X. XI) Excerpts from Martin Luther, Treatise Concerning Good Works (1520).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lisadawn View Post
                      Salvation is actually salvation from hell.

                      Lisa
                      Hi Lisa

                      We are saved from sin for God. Hell is for the reprobate who willfully rejects Christ. The elect are not saved from hell because they were saved before their first sin (from the foundation of the world)
                      If we doubt or do not believe that God is gracious to us and is pleased with us, or if we presumptuously expect to please Him only through and after our works, then it is all pure deception, outwardly honoring God, but inwardly setting up self as a false [savior].... (Part X. XI) Excerpts from Martin Luther, Treatise Concerning Good Works (1520).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lisadawn View Post
                        Passover
                        John 1:29
                        The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
                        So the blood represents the wonderful truth that Christ died FOR us. He shed His blood as payment for our sins. When by faith, we apply Christ’s blood (His death) to our lives, we are spared the wrath of God upon us. Our sins are forgiven.

                        But I want to look at something else in the Passover story. When the children of Israel were in captivity under Pharoah, what country were they in? Egypt. After they put the blood on the doorposts of their houses, and the Lord passed over, and their firstborn son was spared, what country were they still in? Egypt. If our revelation is only to the blood - Christ dying for us - then our sins are still forgiven. But experientially we may continue to be living in captivity. We are still living as if we are in Egypt and still in bondage to the Pharaohs in our life. We are striving to overcome by our own effort, trying to become spiritual. But it is almost like we are still in captivity. God had a solution to the problem of the Hebrews’s captivity.

                        The solution was to provide them with sustenance, or life, to get them out of Egypt.

                        So He instructed each house, after they had smeared the blood of the lamb on the doorposts, to roast the lamb and eat it as nourishment for the upcoming journey. Can you imagine the smell of barbecued lamb throughout the land of Egypt? The Hebrews roasted lambs. Then, they ate the lamb. For us, we also take the lamb (Christ) into us as life. God is showing us here that the lamb they used for blood on the doorposts was the same lamb they ate for the journey. In other words, everything that is necessary for living the life comes from the lamb. It isn’t that the lamb dies for you and then you’re sent to do the rest on your own. The lamb is the total answer.

                        The lamb that gave its blood for them also gave its life to them.

                        They took its meat into them, and that became their nourishment, strength, and vitality for the journey. They lived their life out of the lamb’s life. They walked in its energy.

                        Jesus Christ is certainly the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. His blood certainly represents forgiveness. But Jesus is also the Lamb that lives in us. Jesus is also the Life within us, from who we make the journey. I am thinking of Colosians 1:27 which says “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” One of my favorite QUOTES comes from Ian Thomas:

                        Jesus gave His life FOR us,
                        so that He could give His life TO us,
                        in order to live His life THROUGH us.

                        Happy Passover,

                        DavidBuck

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by humbled View Post
                          How does one turn away (repent) from what he loves, and in fact is enslaved to?

                          Keep in mind that I do believe it is possible, I would just like to see your take on this.
                          Humbled,

                          The reason I had a little trouble answering the post about repentance is that I think most people are not really wanting to repent and do not until they are in a desperate situation. That is why the Holy Spirit convicts the person of sin.

                          Even though some people are saved without having fireworks go off, and maybe they don't even feel different, salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit.
                          When I was saved, I didn't feel any different. I was just told that Jesus died on the cross, and that he died for my sins. God had given me the gift of eternal life. If I didn't accept it personally, it would be like leaving a present on the table......no good unless it is received.

                          Lisa
                          "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by humbled View Post
                            Hi Lisa

                            We are saved from sin for God. Hell is for the reprobate who willfully rejects Christ. The elect are not saved from hell because they were saved before their first sin (from the foundation of the world)
                            Humbled,

                            You make my head spin. Even if this were true and I am not saying it is or isn't, why did Christ come to actually die then?
                            "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DavidBuck View Post
                              So the blood represents the wonderful truth that Christ died FOR us. He shed His blood as payment for our sins. When by faith, we apply Christ’s blood (His death) to our lives, we are spared the wrath of God upon us. Our sins are forgiven.

                              But I want to look at something else in the Passover story. When the children of Israel were in captivity under Pharoah, what country were they in? Egypt. After they put the blood on the doorposts of their houses, and the Lord passed over, and their firstborn son was spared, what country were they still in? Egypt. If our revelation is only to the blood - Christ dying for us - then our sins are still forgiven. But experientially we may continue to be living in captivity. We are still living as if we are in Egypt and still in bondage to the Pharaohs in our life. We are striving to overcome by our own effort, trying to become spiritual. But it is almost like we are still in captivity. God had a solution to the problem of the Hebrews’s captivity.

                              The solution was to provide them with sustenance, or life, to get them out of Egypt.

                              So He instructed each house, after they had smeared the blood of the lamb on the doorposts, to roast the lamb and eat it as nourishment for the upcoming journey. Can you imagine the smell of barbecued lamb throughout the land of Egypt? The Hebrews roasted lambs. Then, they ate the lamb. For us, we also take the lamb (Christ) into us as life. God is showing us here that the lamb they used for blood on the doorposts was the same lamb they ate for the journey. In other words, everything that is necessary for living the life comes from the lamb. It isn’t that the lamb dies for you and then you’re sent to do the rest on your own. The lamb is the total answer.

                              The lamb that gave its blood for them also gave its life to them.

                              They took its meat into them, and that became their nourishment, strength, and vitality for the journey. They lived their life out of the lamb’s life. They walked in its energy.

                              Jesus Christ is certainly the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. His blood certainly represents forgiveness. But Jesus is also the Lamb that lives in us. Jesus is also the Life within us, from who we make the journey. I am thinking of Colosians 1:27 which says “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” One of my favorite QUOTES comes from Ian Thomas:

                              Jesus gave His life FOR us,
                              so that He could give His life TO us,
                              in order to live His life THROUGH us.

                              Happy Passover,

                              DavidBuck
                              David,

                              This is one great post. I hadn't thought of that before. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I was saved when I was 10 years old. Although I knew I was a sinner and did need to be saved, there were not that many problems in my life at that time. The problems came later.........

                              When Christ shared the Passover meal with his disciples he told them to eat his body didn't he.

                              The other factor to consider is healing, and that could be spiritual or physical.....it is by his broken body.

                              Isaiah 53:5...By his stripes we are healed.

                              Lisa
                              "God has decreed to act in response to prayer. He commands us to ask......and Satan trembles for fear we will." unknown

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