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  • #31
    Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

    Originally posted by episkopos View Post
    I think the major point is being missed here.

    1. What equips us in the NT to do better than those in the OT?

    2. How does faith alone help us be more righteous than faith plus trying very hard?

    Is it simply that we recognize that we are sinners more than those in the OT?

    3. Is trying not to be good superior to an effort to be good?
    I believe it is accepting that which we have had from the begining.

    Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

    Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

    Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    Firstfruits

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    • #32
      Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

      If Christ is the end of the law for righteousnesss, meaning that without doing what is written in the law we shall inherit the kingdom of God;

      Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law For righteousness to every one that believeth.

      What can the law of Moses do that Christ cannot do, that we should hold on to it?

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      • #33
        Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

        Romans 5:20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
        I think the real issue is that it is human to hope that what we do will count for something? True Freedom comes with knowing that if we don't do them
        God loves us anyway.

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        • #34
          Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

          Originally posted by nimblewillsgrace View Post
          I think the real issue is that it is human to hope that what we do will count for something? True Freedom comes with knowing that if we [B]don't[/B] do them
          God loves us anyway.
          What about won't do them.

          Striving to apprehend that for which I have been apprehended in Christ Jesus.



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          • #35
            Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

            Originally posted by nimblewillsgrace View Post
            I think the real issue is that it is human to hope that what we do will count for something? True Freedom comes with knowing that if we don't do them
            God loves us anyway.
            What about when we know that nothing that we do that is written in the law will be recognized by God?

            Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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            • #36
              Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

              Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
              Would you then agree that Abraham did what God commanded him to do, without the law of Moses?

              Firstfruits
              Correction - Law of God. Let's not make what is holy common, OK?
              Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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              • #37
                Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                Originally posted by keck553 View Post
                Correction - Law of God. Let's not make what is holy common, OK?
                Do you accept that the law that God gave to Israel through Moses was given 400 years later?

                Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

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                • #38
                  Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                  Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                  Do you accept that the law that God gave to Israel through Moses was given 400 years later?

                  Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

                  Firstfruits
                  I accept what John wrote - that all things were made through Christ and for Christ - "all" things include God's Law.
                  Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                    Originally posted by keck553 View Post
                    I accept what John wrote - that all things were made through Christ and for Christ - "all" things include God's Law.
                    Do you or do you not accept the following?

                    Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

                    Firstfruits

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                    • #40
                      Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                      Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                      Do you or do you not accept the following?

                      Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

                      Firstfruits
                      I accept everything written in God's word, in proper context, with proper hemenutics applied.

                      Although, I have to say, these God vs. God threads always make my head spin.....
                      Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                        Originally posted by keck553 View Post
                        I accept everything written in God's word, in proper context, with proper hemenutics applied.

                        Although, I have to say, these God vs. God threads always make my head spin.....
                        Why would they make your head spin, it states clearly that the law was 400 years later, which was at Mount Sinai? If it was from the begining, then Abraham would have had it, but from what is written he did not.

                        Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

                        Firstfruits

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                        • #42
                          Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                          Hi Firstfruits,


                          Do you mean: "the corrections and fulfillment of Christ" -vs- the law's' of Moses ?


                          Father bless and have mercy on us.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                            Originally posted by keck553 View Post
                            Correction - Law of God. Let's not make what is holy common, OK?
                            Law of Moses is completely appropriate:


                            Jos_8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

                            Jos_8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.

                            Jos_23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;

                            Jdg_4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

                            1Ki_2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:

                            2Ki_14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

                            2Ki_23:25 And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.

                            2Ch_23:18 Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the LORD by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the LORD, to offer the burnt offerings of the LORD, as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David.

                            2Ch_30:16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.

                            Ezr_3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.

                            Ezr_7:6 This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he was a ready scribe in the law of Moses, which the LORD God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of the LORD his God upon him.

                            Neh_8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.

                            Dan_9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

                            Dan_9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

                            Mal_4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

                            Luk_2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

                            Luk_24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

                            Joh_7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

                            Act_13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

                            Act_15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

                            Act_28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

                            1Co_9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

                            Law of Moses - 22 times in the bible


                            Jos_24:26 And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that was by the sanctuary of the LORD.

                            Neh_8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

                            Neh_8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.

                            Neh_10:28 And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding;

                            Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

                            Rom_7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

                            Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

                            Law of God - 7 times in the bible

                            Apparently God has no issue calling the law "the law of Moses", nor should we.
                            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                              To me I think the law of Moses was the Word of God himself before he became the life-giving spirit. After the Word (Jesus) came down and died and resurrected, he became the life-giving spirit (1co 15.45). So you can say that Jesus changed from being the law of Moses into the law of Christ. The difference between the law of Moses and the Law of Christ is that the law of Moses killed people (because they could not keep it) but the law of Christ enlivened people (because his sacrifice made it able to give life). The former could not give life; the latter could.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Law Of Christ V Law Of Moses?

                                What a life giving discussion !


                                Father bless and have mercy on us.

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