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    Will Hell be worse for the false Christians (I mean people who call themselves Christians but do things like commit adultery and don't repent) than the people who just don't believe? If so how do you think it will be worse?

  • #2
    I think there will be different levels of punishment in Hell. I was reading about this in Lee Strobel's book "The Case for Christ".

    I don't really know about false Christians. I won't presume to know how God will punish them, or how he will deal with them at all. But the people I consider to be the most false Christians of all, are those who use the name of God simply to make money for themselves. Some of these people infiltrate churches quickly and cause division amongst its ranks. Then, there are people who go on television and do false healing and ask for money. But I leave it up to God to judge them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lendtay View Post
      I think there will be different levels of punishment in Hell. I was reading about this in Lee Strobel's book "The Case for Christ".
      Must be a great read because you can find no evidence of that in Scripture. Separation is Separation

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      • #4
        Hell may be the same for everybody. I would tend to think they would be feeling very ashamed though, for using His name to do evil. Also for the abuse of his grace, which i have been guilty of before.(abuse of grace)
        this was just my opinion though.
        GOD bless friends

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        • #5
          Originally posted by hunterj1 View Post
          Will Hell be worse for the false Christians (I mean people who call themselves Christians but do things like commit adultery and don't repent) than the people who just don't believe? If so how do you think it will be worse?
          I surely and would not choose what would be worst between these two you have mentioned but,It says in God's word that Judgement begins first in the Church ( as in,the shepherds of God's people). He also speaks on (our works do follow us). And remember God is no respector of man.
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          • #6
            In my opinion you will simply be separated from God, completely void of his presence. No lesser or greater separation from person to person, just complete separation. But as mere humans we have no idea of such things, so we leave it up to God since he will deal with them perfectly.
            While you are on this site, don't debate to win and prove yourself right, but discuss to learn and find truth, and to encourage through a humble spirit. God Bless

            Ephesians 4:1-3
            As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

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            • #7
              Check out Matthew 24:45-51

              Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
              Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


              This doesn't necessarily mean that all Christians are considered "rulers over his household", but it does seem to suggest that there are degrees of hell.

              And then there is this in Luke...

              And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
              Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

              My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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              • #8
                Originally posted by daughter View Post
                And then there is this in Luke...

                And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
                Good point, Mary - there's also this passage:-

                Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation! Matt 23:14 NKJV

                And in case anyone says "but that verse isn't in my bible, so it must have been added", check this passage out:-

                The He said to them in His teaching, "Beware of the scribes, who desire to go around in long robes, love greetings in the marketplace, the best seats in the synagogues, and the best places at the feasts, who devour widows' houses and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive a greater condemnation." Mk 12:40 NKJV

                Same idea here:-

                Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.” Matt 11:20-24 NKJV

                This clearly shows that those who hear the gospel and refuse to repent will actually receive greater condemnation than Sodom and Gomorrah in all their wickedness! Tie that in with the previous passages that speak of the fate of the hypocritical Jewish leaders and you'll have an idea about what lies in store for those who profess to have known Christ and have been hypocrites all along...

                For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 2 Pet 2:20-21 NKJV

                What Peter is saying is that it would have been better for them never to have known the gospel - they were already condemned and going to hell before they did - but to have known it and professed faith (falsely) and cleaned up their act to some extent - and then gone back to wallowing in their sin - they will receive GREATER condemnation for doing that. Jesus teaches this as well:-

                Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Lk 11:26 NKJV

                ...ie when he was originally demon-possessed. How dreadful.....

                As the old divines used to say, the greatest wickedness is to have spiritual light in the head but a love of sin in the heart......

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                • #9
                  I absolutely love the way Scripture is so clear and answers these questions so authoratively. Those passages leave no room for doubt.
                  Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

                  My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Emanate View Post
                    Must be a great read because you can find no evidence of that in Scripture. Separation is Separation
                    The evidence in Scripture comes from Revelation 20:12-15 -

                    "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and everyone was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. All whose names were not found written in the book of life were thrown into the lake of fire."

                    Considering that every single person at this judgment appears to be destined for the Lake of Fire, what need would there be to consult "books"? Unless it were to determine the degree of punishment to be meted out to them.
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                    • #11
                      All I see in "greater condemnation" is the matter of self righteousness. If Billy the sinner down the street who cares not about God is condemned to hell then he is condemned to hell.

                      Harlan lives on the other side of the street and is very familiar with the bible. He has set up his own system of rightoeousness based on what the bible says and lives his life so that others may revel in his self righteousness. He truly thought he was Chosen by God yet he denied the Salvation that was sent for him. When he is condemned is his condemnation not greater?

                      Will Harlan be in the hotter room while Billy is in the not as hot room? Or is it the fact that Harlan's condmnation is greater because he missed his time of visitation?

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                      • #12
                        I don't remember reading this specifically in Scripture, but it seems to me those who reject Messiah in life will reject Him afterwards.

                        We must love each other as we love God. If you disregard your neighbor, you have to realize Jesus gave His life for your neighbor becuase He loves him/her. If we can't give a little bit of ourselves to our neighbor whom Christ gave His life for, then we need to inspect ourselves and meditate whether we truely love God.

                        But I do know what Scripture says about those who heal and prophecy in His name who haven't recognized to the depths of their being Jesus is their only hope and humbly submit to His loving grace.

                        Luk 13:26 "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
                        Luk 13:27 and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'

                        Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
                        Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

                        God created man to have relationship with man. Jesus, who is fully God died to restore the relationship Adam and Eve threw down in thier pride. That's how important relationship is to Him. That's how important relationship with each other and with God has to be. We can not use the atonement of Jesus as an excuse to practice lawlessness; not loving God and our neighbor. Not only did He pay our sin debt, but He carried our sin away as far as east is from west.

                        If we fail to allow Him to come into us and renew our minds and write His love on our hearts, how can He say "I knew you?"
                        Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hunterj1 View Post
                          Will Hell be worse for the false Christians (I mean people who call themselves Christians but do things like commit adultery and don't repent) than the people who just don't believe? If so how do you think it will be worse?
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                          as to adultery...

                          Jesus Himself said that if man or woman looks upon the opposite sex with a lustful 'eye' that he/she had committed adultery already in their heart..... you didnt even have to go thru the act.. but just looking upon another with lustful intent is considered 'adultery' according to Jesus's Words... the issue starts in the 'heart'.. as it does with covetousness, murder, idolatry, evil thoughts, murders, thefts...etc...

                          Today I see alot of so called 'christians' who don't commit adultery (the act) but their heart is full of greed, idolatry, covetousness.. this is no worse than the act of adultery or looking upon another 'lustfully'...

                          One would have to ask yourself.. are my eyes 'PURE'? am I like Job who made a covenant with himself ''not to look upon a another woman"' with
                          carnal intent?

                          Adultery starts in the heart.. and its played out in the eyes.. One does not have to go thru the actual act to have a 'heart' full of adultery...

                          God knows whats in your heart and its intentions.. evne though you may not think He doesnt 'know'... He knows......

                          there is coming a day when God shall 'judge' the 'secrets' of men/women/ children's hearts.. thru His Son Jesus the Christ.

                          I believe there are different parts of 'hell'... outer darkness,, also the part where the worm dieth not and the flame is never quenched.. a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth..

                          but in the end.. hell itself will be delivered up and its contents.. 'the unbelievers or 'damned' ; and these and 'hell' itself will be cast into the Lake of Fire .. for this is the Second Death... that is Total Separation from God... and its Eternal..

                          It won't be 'one' sin without repentance...that will put people in hell or the final abode.. the Lake of Fire.. but it will be a rebellious heart that has refused the Grace of God .. that has appeared unto men in these last days... that is the person of Jesus the Christ.. who is God manifest in the flesh..


                          Good and upright is the LORD.....therefore WILL He teach sinners in the way... Psalm 25:8
                          Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
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                          Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
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                          The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
                          Jeremiah 31:3

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                          • #14
                            For me, if there is a difference in levels of punishment, it is the difference between being held underwater for one hour, or two...
                            Phl 4:11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Emanate View Post
                              Must be a great read because you can find no evidence of that in Scripture. Separation is Separation
                              If rewards in the Kingdom of Christ, and punishments in the pits of Hell are all the same, then why is there a need for Christ to judge all mankind? What is the great white throne judgment for? What is the judgment seat of Christ for?

                              If there are not degrees of reward or punishment for a man's deeds, then why does Christ judge them at all?

                              Do we as humans judge people who speed down the highway, the same as we judge people who rape and murder? No.

                              Christ is even more just then any man is, so he gives out perfect just rewards and perfect just punishments for all of mankind in the afterlife.

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