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    In Matthew
    Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

    I am tired of wondering where I am missing one, what am I doing wrong here
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    Abraham to David
    Mat 1:2 (1)Abraham ... (2)Isaac ... (3)Jacob ... (4)Judah ... (5)Perez ... (6)Hezron ... (7)Ram. 4 (8)Amminadab ... (9)Nahshon ... (10)Salmon. 5 ... (11)Boaz ... (12)Obed ... (13)Jesse....(14)David)

    David(Solomon) until Babylonian captivity
    6 ... (1)Solomon ... (2)Rehoboam ... (3)Abijah ... (4)Asa. 8 ... (5)Jehoshaphat ... (6)Joram ... (7)Uzziah. 9... (8)Jotham ... (9)Ahaz ... (10)Hezekiah. 10 ... (11)Manasseh ... (12)Amon ... (13)Josiah. 11 ... (14)Jeconiah .......
    about the time they were carried away to Babylon.

    Babylon to Jesus--this is where I am one short??
    12 ..... after they were brought to Babylon....
    (1)Shealtiel ... (2)Zerubbabel. 13 ... (3)Abiud ... (4)Eliakim ... (5)Azor ... (6)Zadok ...(7)Achim ... (8)Eliud 15... (9)Eleazar ... (10)Matthan ... (11)Jacob ... (12)Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born (13)Jesus who is called Christ.

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    If I count Jeconiah also in the count from Babylon to Jesus that would be fourteen, however, that does not seem to be the pattern because from Abraham to David, and from David until Babylon, is fourteen without counting a name twice.

    I am really tired of wondering about this, and where I am missing it at.


    P.S. with a copy and paste my nifty little arrows didn't come across, so now just dots..... (bold numbers are verse numbers )

    Thanks everyone for any help
    Last edited by quiet dove; Dec 14th 2011, 06:17 PM.


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    Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

    It's even less. You wrote Ram twice.
    This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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    • #3
      Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

      Originally posted by quiet dove View Post
      In Matthew
      Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

      I am tired of wondering where I am missing one, what am I doing wrong here
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      Abraham to David
      Mat 1:2 (1)Abraham ... (2)Isaac ... (3)Jacob ... (4)Judah ... (5)Perez ... (6)Hezron ... (7)Ram. 4 (8)Ram ... (9)Amminadab ... (10)Nahshon ... (11)Salmon. 5 ... (12)Boaz ... (13)Obed ... (14)Jesse,

      David until Babylonian captivity
      6... (1)David the king ... (2)Solomon ... (3)Rehoboam ... (4)Abijah ... (5)sa. 8 ... (6)Jehoshaphat ... (7)Joram ... (8)Uzziah. 9... (9)Jotham ... (10)Ahaz ... (11)Hezekiah. 10 ... (11)Manasseh ... (12)Amon ... (13)Josiah. 11 ... (14)Jeconiah .......
      about the time they were carried away to Babylon.

      Babylon to Jesus--this is where I am one short??
      12 ..... after they were brought to Babylon....
      (1)Shealtiel ... (2)Zerubbabel. 13 ... (3)Abiud ... (4)Eliakim ... (5)Azor ... (6)Zadok ...(7)Achim ... (8)Eliud 15... (9)Eleazar ... (10)Matthan ... (11)Jacob ... (12)Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born (13)Jesus who is called Christ.

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      If I count Jeconiah also in the count from Babylon to Jesus that would be fourteen, however, that does not seem to be the pattern because from Abraham to David, and from David until Babylon, is fourteen without counting a name twice.

      I am really tired of wondering about this, and where I am missing it at.


      P.S. with a copy and paste my nifty little arrows didn't come across, so now just dots..... (bold numbers are verse numbers )

      Thanks everyone for any help


      At least you're doing better than me, lol. You only came up 1 short. When I added them all together, I came up with 39 generations, unless I miscounted.

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      • #4
        Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

        Odd that a tax collecter would be bad at math.
        This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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          Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

          Here's the way I counted them, unless I made a mistake somewhere.

          Abraham begat Isaac 1
          Isaac begat Jacob 2
          Jacob begat Judas and his brethren 3
          Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar 4
          Phares begat Esrom 5
          Esrom begat Aram 6
          Aram begat Aminadab 7
          Aminadab begat Naasson 8
          Naasson begat Salmon 9
          Salmon begat Booz of Rachab 10
          Booz begat Obed of Ruth 11
          Obed begat Jesse 12
          Jesse begat David the king 13
          David the king begat Solomon 14
          Solomon begat Roboam 15
          Roboam begat Abia 16
          Abia begat Asa 17
          Asa begat Josaphat 18
          Josaphat begat Joram 19
          Joram begat Ozias 20
          Ozias begat Joatham 21
          Joatham begat Achaz 22
          Achaz begat Ezekias 23
          Ezekias begat Manasses 24
          Manasses begat Amon 25
          Amon begat Josias 26
          Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren 27
          Jechonias begat Salathiel 28
          Salathiel begat Zorobabel 29
          Zorobabel begat Abiud 30
          Abiud begat Eliakim 31
          Eliakim begat Azor 32
          Azor begat Sadoc 33
          Sadoc begat Achim 34
          Achim begat Eliud 35
          Eliud begat Eleazar 36
          Eleazar begat Matthan 37
          Matthan begat Jacob 38
          Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 39

          14X3=42, not 39.

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          • #6
            Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

            What version is that diva?
            This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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              Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

              Originally posted by -SEEKING- View Post
              What version is that diva?


              I copied all of them from the KJV. I did it that way in order to simplify the list.

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                Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                Originally posted by -SEEKING- View Post
                It's even less. You wrote Ram twice.
                Ok, thanks, I fixed that. Removed the extra Ram, put David up one. I think there is still 14 in the first two and 12 in the last

                I know I am missing something here


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                • #9
                  Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                  I think I see where the misunderstanding might lie...maybe? Notice what the following text states.

                  17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations;

                  Notice in my previous list what it states for #14. #13 should be #14, since that was the generation that began David's life. So the following is how the first section should count.

                  Abraham 1 begat Isaac 2
                  Isaac begat Jacob 3
                  Jacob begat Judas and his brethren 4
                  Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar 5
                  Phares begat Esrom 6
                  Esrom begat Aram 7
                  Aram begat Aminadab 8
                  Aminadab begat Naasson 9
                  Naasson begat Salmon 10
                  Salmon begat Booz of Rachab 11
                  Booz begat Obed of Ruth 12
                  Obed begat Jesse 13
                  Jesse begat David the king 14

                  If this is anywhere correct, then all we have to do is do something similar with the 2 remaining pairs of the 14 generations each, which should then account for these other 2 missing generations, thus making it 42 and not 39 or 40. But then maybe not. It's still too early in the day to tell if I'm even thinking clearly enough yet..
                  Last edited by divaD; Dec 14th 2011, 06:34 PM. Reason: typo..fixed that same typo again lol

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                  • #10
                    Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                    Originally posted by divaD View Post
                    Here's the way I counted them, unless I made a mistake somewhere.

                    Abraham begat Isaac 1
                    Isaac begat Jacob 2
                    Jacob begat Judas and his brethren 3
                    Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar 4
                    Phares begat Esrom 5
                    Esrom begat Aram 6
                    Aram begat Aminadab 7
                    Aminadab begat Naasson 8
                    Naasson begat Salmon 9
                    Salmon begat Booz of Rachab 10
                    Booz begat Obed of Ruth 11
                    Obed begat Jesse 12
                    Jesse begat David the king 13
                    David the king begat Solomon 14
                    Solomon begat Roboam 15
                    Roboam begat Abia 16
                    Abia begat Asa 17
                    Asa begat Josaphat 18
                    Josaphat begat Joram 19
                    Joram begat Ozias 20
                    Ozias begat Joatham 21
                    Joatham begat Achaz 22
                    Achaz begat Ezekias 23
                    Ezekias begat Manasses 24
                    Manasses begat Amon 25
                    Amon begat Josias 26
                    Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren 27
                    Jechonias begat Salathiel 28
                    Salathiel begat Zorobabel 29
                    Zorobabel begat Abiud 30
                    Abiud begat Eliakim 31
                    Eliakim begat Azor 32
                    Azor begat Sadoc 33
                    Sadoc begat Achim 34
                    Achim begat Eliud 35
                    Eliud begat Eleazar 36
                    Eleazar begat Matthan 37
                    Matthan begat Jacob 38
                    Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 39

                    14X3=42, not 39.
                    What about Abraham, he would be number one, right? That still makes it 40, and not 42.


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                    • #11
                      Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                      Originally posted by quiet dove View Post
                      What about Abraham, he would be number one, right? That still makes it 40, and not 42.

                      You would be correct. I'm going to look at this list again and see if there's anyway it would be like that for the remaining pair as well, thus these two missing generations..

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                      • #12
                        Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                        DivaD, here is your list with Abraham as number 1

                        Abraham 1
                        Abraham begat Isaac 2
                        Isaac begat Jacob 3
                        Jacob begat Judas and his brethren 4
                        Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar 5
                        Phares begat Esrom 6
                        Esrom begat Aram 7
                        Aram begat Aminadab 8
                        Aminadab begat Naasson 9
                        Naasson begat Salmon 10
                        Salmon begat Booz of Rachab 11
                        Booz begat Obed of Ruth 12
                        Obed begat Jesse 13
                        Jesse begat David the king 14

                        David the king begat Solomon 15(1)
                        Solomon begat Roboam 16(2)
                        Roboam begat Abia 17(3)
                        Abia begat Asa 18(4)
                        Asa begat Josaphat 19(5)
                        Josaphat begat Joram 20(6)
                        Joram begat Ozias 21(7)
                        Ozias begat Joatham 22(8)
                        Joatham begat Achaz 23(9)
                        Achaz begat Ezekias 24(10)
                        Ezekias begat Manasses 25(11)
                        Manasses begat Amon 26(12)
                        Amon begat Josias 27(13)
                        Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren 28(14)

                        Jechonias begat Salathiel 29(1)
                        Salathiel begat Zorobabel 30(2)
                        Zorobabel begat Abiud 31(3)
                        Abiud begat Eliakim 32(4)
                        Eliakim begat Azor 33(5)
                        Azor begat Sadoc 34(6)
                        Sadoc begat Achim 35(7)
                        Achim begat Eliud 36(8)
                        Eliud begat Eleazar 37(9)
                        Eleazar begat Matthan 38(10)
                        Matthan begat Jacob 39(11)
                        Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 40(12)


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                          Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                          Originally posted by divaD View Post
                          You would be correct. I'm going to look at this list again and see if there's anyway it would be like that for the remaining pair as well, thus these two missing generations..
                          Ok, thanks. I know it must be there.


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                          • #14
                            Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                            The only addition I can find, is even though David is named once in the verses, when we get to verse it says "Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.


                            To count David in both of those lists? And possibly Jeconiah, since he is the first in the list after they would have been in Babylon?

                            I'm digging through commentaries now....LOL...and not a lot of help really, not yet anyway.


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                            • #15
                              Re: Matthew 1, Fourteen generations, I'm missing one??

                              markedward, I see you lurking around, surely you have some input....


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