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    The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—who are they?

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    Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

    Originally posted by Jemand View Post
    The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—who are they?
    The Father is the God and Father of Jesus Christ:

    Eph_1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:



    The Son is the literal only begotten son of God the Father:

    Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



    The Holy Spirit is the actual, personal spirit of God the Father:

    Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

    Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

    Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
    Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    • #3
      Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

      The Father is Yahweh, the one true God.

      The Son of God is Jesus, Yahweh as a man.

      The holy spirit is the spirit of Yahweh.
      To This Day

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        Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

        They are all the One God Who is God. Beside Him there is no other.

        For the cause of Christ
        Roger

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        • #5
          Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

          Originally posted by markedward View Post
          The Father is Yahweh, the one true God.

          The Son of God is Jesus, Yahweh as a man.

          The holy spirit is the spirit of Yahweh.
          Who, then, is the Spirit of Christ?

          1 Peter 1:10. As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries,
          11. seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. (NASB, 1995)

          Romans 8:9. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (NASB, 1995)

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            Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

            Originally posted by Jemand View Post
            Who, then, is the Spirit of Christ?

            1 Peter 1:10. As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries,
            11. seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. (NASB, 1995)

            Romans 8:9. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (NASB, 1995)
            The spirit of God.
            Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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            • #7
              Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

              The Christ is Jesus, Yahweh as a man. The spirit of the Christ is the spirit of Yahweh.
              To This Day

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              • #8
                Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                Originally posted by markedward View Post
                The Christ is Jesus, Yahweh as a man. The spirit of the Christ is the spirit of Yahweh.
                In 1 Peter 1:10, we read of the “Spirit of Christ” indwelling people long before the incarnation of Jesus the man. In Roman 8:9, we read of both the “Spirit of God” and the “Spirit of Christ.”

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                • #9
                  Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                  Originally posted by Jemand View Post
                  In 1 Peter 1:10, we read of the “Spirit of Christ” indwelling people long before the incarnation of Jesus the man. In Roman 8:9, we read of both the “Spirit of God” and the “Spirit of Christ.”
                  We don't read 'both' - we read "the Spirit of God" and in another author's book "the Spirit of Christ." Both authors are speaking to the same Holy Spirit; God is one.
                  Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                    Originally posted by Jemand
                    In 1 Peter 1:10, we read of the “Spirit of Christ” indwelling people long before the incarnation of Jesus the man. In Roman 8:9, we read of both the “Spirit of God” and the “Spirit of Christ.”
                    They refer to the same thing. Paul is using the two phrases interchangeably.
                    To This Day

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                      Originally posted by Jemand View Post
                      Who, then, is the Spirit of Christ?
                      That's like me asking who your spirit is Jemand.
                      James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                        Originally posted by markedward View Post
                        They refer to the same thing. Paul is using the two phrases interchangeably.

                        Christ has a spirit and a soul, the Father has a spirit and a soul. They are not the same things.
                        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                          Not looking for a debate, but I will say this: I adamantly disagree with your literalization of anthropomorphic language that is used of God; it effectively turns God and Jesus into two entirely separate entities (i.e. bitheism). Maybe you don't see it that way. I do.

                          So, address your points to the OP's questions, not to me, please.
                          To This Day

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                            Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                            Christ has a spirit and a soul, the Father has a spirit and a soul. They are not the same things.
                            Yes they are .
                            Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

                              Originally posted by markedward View Post
                              Not looking for a debate, but I will say this: I adamantly disagree with your literalization of
                              anthropomorphic language that is used of God; it effectively turns God and Jesus into two entirely separate entities (i.e. bitheism). Maybe you don't see it that way. I do.
                              The language is not anthropomorphic. The scriptures say the Father has a form and that people have seen his form.

                              Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping
                              thing that creepeth upon the earth.
                              Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

                              The word "likeness" here is demu^th meaning resemblance, or shape.

                              H1823
                              ??????
                              demu^th
                              dem-ooth'
                              From H1819; resemblance; concretely model, shape; adverbially like: - fashion, like (-ness, as), manner, similitude.


                              So, if our physical image is after God's then we should not be surprised that the Father also has a body, as does his Son and Angels etc.



                              Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:


                              Here we see the same exact words and wording. The meaning is exactly the same: someone who physically resembled their parent.


                              Gill

                              man being the principal part of the creation, and for the sake of whom the world, and all things in it were made, and which being finished, he is introduced into it as into an house ready prepared and furnished for him; a consultation is held among the divine Persons about the formation of him; not because of any difficulty attending it, but as expressive of his honour and dignity; it being proposed he should be made not in the likeness of any of the creatures already made, but as near as could be in the likeness and image of God.
                              Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image,.... Which consisted both in the form of his body, and the erect stature of it, different from all other creatures


                              Here are some scriptures which show that the Father does have hands and arms and a head and hair....and....well you get the idea...he is not a spirit according to what Christ said, "a spirit hath not flesh and bones"

                              Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

                              "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have hair or clothes, but the Father does.

                              Clarke:

                              The Ancient of days - God Almighty; and this is the only place in the sacred writings where God the Father is represented in a human form.

                              Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
                              Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.


                              "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have hands, but the Father does.


                              See, there is this view, as seen in the above scriptures and then there is another view that holds the Father is nothing more than "a bodiless spirit". This view would then suggest when we stand before God in heaven, there's only going to be one person there who is God. In my opinion this view of God is inaccurate and contradicts a great deal of scriptures.

                              I fully believe Jesus will be there as well as his Father and we will see the both of them just as we see in the above scriptures.

                              Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
                              Gen 32:25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
                              Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
                              Gen 32:27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
                              Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
                              Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
                              Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

                              Here Jacob not only wrestles with God physically, he also was allowed to see His face and live.

                              "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't arms and hands and a face and certainly couldn't physically wrestle a human being, but the Father does and did.

                              Gill:

                              though he had wrestled with one so vastly superior to himself, who could have easily crushed this worm Jacob to pieces, as he is sometimes called; and though he had had such a sight of God as face to faces referring, as is thought, to a notion that obtained early, even among good men, that upon sight of God a man instantly died; though we have no example of that kind: but perhaps he observed this for his encouragement; that whereas he had met with God himself, and wrestled with him in the form of a man, and yet was preserved, he doubted not that, when he should meet with his brother and debate matters with him, he should be safe and unhurt.

                              (note: M.H. here believe this is Jesus Christ not the Father but the basic concept is still the same, God in a physical form. I believe it was the Father.)

                              Mathew Henry:

                              This was doubtless the Lord Jesus Christ, who, among the patriarchs, assumed that human form, which in the fullness of time he really took of a woman, and in which he dwelt thirty-three years among men. He is here styled an angel, because he was µe?a??? ß????? ???e???, (see the Septuagint, Isa_9:7), the Messenger of the great counsel or design to redeem fallen man from death, and bring him to eternal glory; see Gen_16:7.
                              But it may be asked, Had he here a real human body, or only its form? The latter, doubtless.
                              Barnes:

                              There are, then, three acts in this dramatic scene: first, Jacob wrestling with the Omnipresent in the form of a man, in which he is signally defeated; second, Jacob importunately supplicating Yahweh, in which he prevails as a prince of God; third, Jacob receiving the blessing of a new name, a new development of spiritual life, and a new capacity for bodily action.
                              Gen_32:31-32
                              Peniel - the face of God. The reason of this name is assigned in the sentence, “I have seen God face to face.” He is at first called a man. Hosea terms him the angel (Hos_12:4-5 (3, 4). And here Jacob names him God. Hence, some men, deeply penetrated with the ineffable grandeur of the divine nature, are disposed to resolve the first act at least into an impression on the imagination. We do not pretend to define with undue nicety the mode of this wrestling. And we are far from saying that every sentence of Scripture is to be understood in a literal sense. But until some cogent reason be assigned, we do not feel at liberty to depart from the literal sense in this instance. The whole theory of a revelation from God to man is founded upon the principle that God can adapt himself to the apprehension of the being whom he has made in his own image. This principle we accept, and we dare not limit its application “further than the demonstrative laws of reason and conscience demand.” If God walk in the garden with Adam, expostulate with Cain, give a specification of the ark to Noah, partake of the hospitality of Abraham, take Lot by the hand to deliver him from Sodom, we cannot affirm that he may not, for a worthy end, enter into a bodily conflict with Jacob.



                              Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
                              Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


                              Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit and he was able to see what normally is not visible to us. He saw Jesus standing next to the Father. He saw two individuals, the same two we can see in many other scriptures. It is incorrect to erase the Father from all these scriptures and replace him with Jesus alone as a real visible "person".

                              "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" yet Stephen actually saw his body, recognizing the Father visually as well as the Son.


                              1 Kings 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

                              Many have seen God, the LORD, literally sitting on a literal throne. That is simply because God has a literal body and form and sits upon a literal throne.


                              2Pet 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

                              The Father not only has a real body just as Christ does, but he is also fully capable of speaking audibly even though Christ is the Word of God. That doesn't mean the Father cannot speak for himself.



                              Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

                              Deu_9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

                              "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have fingers, but the Father does.


                              Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
                              Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
                              Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
                              Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.


                              Here we see that he does have a face, has a hand, and has "back parts" of a body. Moses was not allowed to see his face, but he saw his hand and saw his "back parts".


                              "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't have a face, and a hand, and "back parts", but the Father does.


                              Exo 24:9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
                              Exo 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
                              Exo 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.


                              "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" and they don't a visible body with feet, but the Father does.

                              Gill:

                              and there was under his feet; which shows that there was a visible form
                              Clarke:

                              The seventy elders, who were representatives of the whole congregation, were chosen to witness the manifestation of God


                              it effectively turns God and Jesus into two entirely separate entities (i.e. bitheism)

                              More than one "entity" or "person" is always accused of that but it is not true. There is one God, and as you teach it is more of a title than an identity. More than one person is the one God.


                              So, address your points to the OP's questions, not to me, please.

                              If you address a post to me I will address a response to you.
                              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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