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  • Spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.

    Where is it?


    As Paul spoke of the Christian being at war against spiritual wickedness in high (heavenly) places, then I ask the reader --

    Where is this spiritual wickedness located and how does one fight against it and overcome it?


    Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Merton.
    One can know a lot about the Bible and still not live righteously. Mat ch 23.

    A little knowledge lived rightly is better that much knowledge lived wrongly.

  • #2
    Wow. Great question, Merton.
    Let's see what the rest of the saints come up with.

    Richard

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    • #3
      This wickedness comes from Satan. He is a deceiver who comes to steal, kill and destroy. Like with Eve in the Garden of Eden, he is able to manipulate situations and deceive those who gives him an ear or an eye. The way you fight this wickedness is by reading the rest of the passage.

      13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Merton View Post
        Where is it?


        As Paul spoke of the Christian being at war against spiritual wickedness in high (heavenly) places, then I ask the reader --

        Where is this spiritual wickedness located and how does one fight against it and overcome it?


        Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

        Merton.

        In context it's not flesh and blood so it must be something or someone invisible to the naked eye.
        There are two relms. One is darkness and the other one is high places.
        Paul says even the devil himself can be transformed into an angel of light. (II Corinthians 11:14)
        So, the wickedness in high places most likely is refering to those who profess to be in light but in actuality are agents of the devil disguised as agents of light. This could be in government and in the church.
        We have to discern the spirits to know righteous workers from unrighteous workers. James promises us in 1:5 that God will give us wisdom to know the difference.
        We overcome them two ways. First, in context, we have to put on the whole armor of God.
        Second, Paul tells us in II Corinthians 6:17 to come out from among them and be separate.
        In Christ,
        Dave


        Revelations 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

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        • #5
          It's in the spirit realm and is beyond the perception of our five senses. The most common way for us to perceive such things is in our thought lives. That's why Paul spoke of "taking every thought captive", and why the Word of God is our sword, according to Ephesians 6. If our sword is the words of God, then it stands to reason that our adversaries are also using words of their own against us, hence most of the battle is in our minds and thought lives.
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          When the plain sense of Scripture make sense, seek no other sense.

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          • #6
            Spiritual wickedness in high places is anything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.

            2 Corinthians 10:5
            casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,

            They're not the beings (even though those beings exist) ... it's the teachings they plant everywhere they find an opening. In anyone.

            Yes, the battlefield is in the mind. And the remedy is stated above.

            Every thought? Every thought. Every. Single. One.

            Because God will keep those in perfect peace, whose minds are fastened upon Him. All the time.

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            • #7
              i would recommend all who are curious about this particular question to consider what is presented in the following link:

              the cosmic struggle on the cross

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              • #8
                2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
                2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds
                2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
                2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.


                Paul here is defending his own calling (and others like him, the mature) in ministering the truth to the believers, which all others share in or come to share in according to Eph.ch.4.

                However--

                Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

                The wrestle ( of all saints) is not against flesh and blood themselves but the spiritual wickedness against which we wrestle is ALWAYS IN some flesh and blood, and not some invisible or spiritual mysterious forces which might float around and play spooks with the saints (which satan will do if it engages the believer or anyone into a worthless endeavour such as talking with the dead and contacting so called past lives and rebuking satan all over the place while he (satan) laughs.

                In other words, satan has his power through mankind, otherwise he has none, even though some of that power is of a spiritual nature and other is carnal and in the legislating of laws which clearly are contrary to the words of God.

                Shall the saints of God speak up with what God says?

                Only when His Word is firmly rooted in the lives of His saints.(2 Cor.10:5)


                Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.



                Merton.

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                There is no such thing as fallen angels in the Bible but there are men sent by God to speak to man, and they fell from their calling, thus leading the masses into sin, nor holding sin back.
                One can know a lot about the Bible and still not live righteously. Mat ch 23.

                A little knowledge lived rightly is better that much knowledge lived wrongly.

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                • #9
                  Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

                  Satan is known as the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

                  Satan is the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not.

                  Satan at this present time is in heaven accusing us day and night before God. He will in the future be cast out of heaven. Read the following verses; they are the wicked in heavenly places.

                  Revelation 12:7 - 10
                  7 - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
                  8 - And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
                  9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
                  10 - And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

                  God bless in Jesus' name -
                  Whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Merton View Post
                    There is no such thing as fallen angels in the Bible but there are men sent by God to speak to man, and they fell from their calling, thus leading the masses into sin, nor holding sin back.
                    Check out Genesis 6:4. These are fallen angels. Satan, himself is a fallen angel. Rev. 12:7 happened in heaven before Adam was even created. And also 2 Peter 2:4 4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them into gloomy dungeons[b] to be held for judgment.

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                    • #11
                      I take note of the many times Paul uses the word "stand" in this passage. This indicates to me that we are in a defensive mode rather than an attack mode. Ultimately, if I am right, we don't need to seek out the battle, it will come to us.

                      Secondly, I notice that the weapons of our warefare are either things we know or things we believe, i.e. the truth, the gospel, the faith, and the word of God, etc. This indicates to me that our battle is in the arena of ideas. Which ideas are true? What doctrines are true? What is the wise thing to believe in any given situation? Who do I trust? And so on.

                      We can help each other too. Meet with other believers. Read the Bible to each other. Remind each other of what is true, what is essential, and what is the most important thing. Encourage each other to keep the faith. Stand by a fellow believer through difficult times of testing and trial. Pray for each other. Visit them in the home.

                      You can think of other things I'm sure.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by brorog View Post
                        meet with other believers. Read the bible to each other. Remind each other of what is true, what is essential, and what is the most important thing. Encourage each other to keep the faith. Stand by a fellow believer through difficult times of testing and trial. Pray for each other. Visit them in the home.

                        You can think of other things i'm sure.
                        amen!
                        Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
                        Not second or third, but first.
                        Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
                        when He is the source of all hope,
                        when His love is received and freely given,
                        holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
                        will all other things be added unto to you.

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                        • #13
                          Where is this spiritual wickedness located?
                          "the heavens", the "heavenly realms", aka the universe

                          how does one fight against it and overcome it?
                          having the triumphant power of jesus christ in your life

                          the following link clearly shows that the malevolent forces in the heavenly realms are satan and his fallen angelic emissaries:

                          the cosmic struggle on the cross

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                          • #14
                            All Christians live in two spheres. On the one hand they live on earth, on the other they live in heavenly places, that is in the spiritual realm.

                            There they share with Christ in His rule (Ephesians 2.6; Revelation 20.4), and there they battle with spiritual wickedness by clothing themselves with the word of God (Ephesians 6.10-11). There they pray effectively.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Merton View Post
                              Where is it?


                              As Paul spoke of the Christian being at war against spiritual wickedness in high (heavenly) places, then I ask the reader --

                              Where is this spiritual wickedness located and how does one fight against it and overcome it?


                              Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

                              Merton.
                              It is a class of demonic spirit. The entire verse lsits the classes of demonic spirit. Principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and wicked spirits in the heavenlies are the classes listed. We "battle" against it the same way we do the other classes of wicked spirit. It is the most powerful class of evil spirit with only Lucifer being its superior in the evil heirarchy. However, Paul lists the weapons of our warfare. We know the authority we possess due to our new covenant rights. If we use our Spiritual weapons of warfare, and stand firm in our covenant rights, this super class evil spirit is no more of a nuisance to us than is a lowly class spirit.

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