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    You often hear Romans 8:1 quoted regarding the fact that there is now no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walking according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    You will also hear people state that if a person does experience condemnation then this is from the devil and you should reject it. I'm not seeing that as being the context of Romans 8:1. The context to me is that it is the law that condemns because of the sin in the flesh. Therefore, we must walk in the Spirit, which is by faith, otherwise we will experience the condemnation of the law. In other words, by walking in the flesh we are under law and therefore guilty. By walking in the Spirit by faith, which is trusting in the word and works of Jesus, we will be free from the law of condemnation and therefore no longer guilty.

    Thoughts?
    "What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."

    -- Dr. Neil T. Anderson

  • #2
    Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

    It means what it says, there is no condemnation for those who walk after the Spirit.

    Gal 5:

    Life by the Spirit

    13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
    16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

    19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.


    If we walk in the Spirit we will deny the flesh, then the law will have no affect on us, therefore we can't be judged according to it. Jesus came to save us from our sins, this is the very heart of Christianity, through Him we overcome!

    blessings to you
    My soul does GLORIFY the LORD, my spirit REJOICES in GOD MY SAVIOUR
    ------
    "To be entirely safe from the devils snares the man of God must be completely obedient to the Word of the Lord. The driver on the highway is safe, not when he reads the signs but when he obeys them." A.W.Tozer

    The Lifehouse Skit

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    • #3
      Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

      Originally posted by VerticalReality View Post
      You often hear Romans 8:1 quoted regarding the fact that there is now no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walking according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

      You will also hear people state that if a person does experience condemnation then this is from the devil and you should reject it. I'm not seeing that as being the context of Romans 8:1. The context to me is that it is the law that condemns because of the sin in the flesh. Therefore, we must walk in the Spirit, which is by faith, otherwise we will experience the condemnation of the law. In other words, by walking in the flesh we are under law and therefore guilty. By walking in the Spirit by faith, which is trusting in the word and works of Jesus, we will be free from the law of condemnation and therefore no longer guilty.

      Thoughts?
      If you go a little further in Romans 8, it gives more clarification...

      Romans 8: 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
      and in Galatians Paul says...

      Galatians 6:7- 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
      If we follow the flesh we will die, if we follow the Spirit we will live. If we sow to the flesh, we will reap corruption, if we sow the Spirit we will reap life everlasting. It is those who are led by the Spirit of God who are the sons of God.

      1 John 3: 1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

      a. Because of Gods love we have become children of God.

      b. We do not comprehend fully what that entails yet, but we know that when Jesus appears we will be like Him.

      c. Everyone who possesses this hope is presently purifying themselves, just as Jesus is pure. ( I contend that we can only do this by walking in the Spirit and submitting to the Spirit's sanctifying Graces.

      Jesus knows, gives eternal life to, and keeps His sheep. Yet who are His sheep. "my sheep listen to my voice, I know them, and they follow me...

      Who are truly Jesus' disciples? Jesus said "if you continue in my word, then you are my disciples indeed. You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.

      These passages make it clear what abiding "in Christ" means
      1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

      2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

      "My heart was once hard and dark. Then God turned on the Light and the Water."

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      • #4
        Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

        Originally posted by Indueseason View Post
        It means what it says, there is no condemnation for those who walk after the Spirit.

        Gal 5:

        Life by the Spirit

        13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
        16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

        19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

        22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.


        If we walk in the Spirit we will deny the flesh, then the law will have no affect on us, therefore we can't be judged according to it. Jesus came to save us from our sins, this is the very heart of Christianity, through Him we overcome!

        blessings to you
        Yes, so you agree, then, that it is the law that condemns here and not the devil? What I'm getting at here is that often when a person feels condemned you will hear people say, "That's just the devil condemning you and you don't have to take that from him!" Technically speaking, doesn't the passage give indication that, in fact, it is not the devil that is doing the condemning? Could it be that the condemnation is arising from the fact that said person is relying on their own performance as opposed to the grace of God to save them?
        "What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."

        -- Dr. Neil T. Anderson

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        • #5
          Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

          All the satan does is accuse of sin. It is the Law that condemns, and the Law belongs to God.
          To This Day

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          • #6
            Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

            Originally posted by VerticalReality View Post
            Yes, so you agree, then, that it is the law that condemns here and not the devil? What I'm getting at here is that often when a person feels condemned you will hear people say, "That's just the devil condemning you and you don't have to take that from him!" Technically speaking, doesn't the passage give indication that, in fact, it is not the devil that is doing the condemning? Could it be that the condemnation is arising from the fact that said person is relying on their own performance as opposed to the grace of God to save them?
            Exactly!! If we decide to walk in the flesh, then the law will condemn us. If we walk in His Spirit, we walk in freedom!!

            blessings to you
            My soul does GLORIFY the LORD, my spirit REJOICES in GOD MY SAVIOUR
            ------
            "To be entirely safe from the devils snares the man of God must be completely obedient to the Word of the Lord. The driver on the highway is safe, not when he reads the signs but when he obeys them." A.W.Tozer

            The Lifehouse Skit

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

              There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
              1. Those in Christ are no longer under the written code of the law, but under Grace (Rom 3:21-25; Rom 5:1; 7:6).
              2. Those in Christ are no longer condemned by sin, because in Christ we are forgiven of our sins and justified through his blood (Rom 5:9).
              3. Those in Christ are no longer condemned by Death, because in Christ we associate with his death and also his resurrection (Rom6:2-8-17) .
              Paul writes as sons of God, we have an obligation not to live by the flesh, but by the spirit of God (Rom8:12-17).


              Maybe it is not the law that condemns but other Christians that condemn?



              Originally posted by VerticalReality View Post
              You often hear Romans 8:1 quoted regarding the fact that there is now no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walking according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

              You will also hear people state that if a person does experience condemnation then this is from the devil and you should reject it. I'm not seeing that as being the context of Romans 8:1. The context to me is that it is the law that condemns because of the sin in the flesh. Therefore, we must walk in the Spirit, which is by faith, otherwise we will experience the condemnation of the law. In other words, by walking in the flesh we are under law and therefore guilty. By walking in the Spirit by faith, which is trusting in the word and works of Jesus, we will be free from the law of condemnation and therefore no longer guilty.

              Thoughts?

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              • #8
                Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                Originally posted by Indueseason View Post
                Exactly!! If we decide to walk in the flesh, then the law will condemn us. If we walk in His Spirit, we walk in freedom!!

                blessings to you
                I agree with this, for that which is of the flesh is not of faith, and the just shall live by their faith.
                1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

                2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

                "My heart was once hard and dark. Then God turned on the Light and the Water."

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                • #9
                  Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                  Originally posted by chad View Post
                  There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
                  1. Those in Christ are no longer under the written code of the law, but under Grace (Rom 3:21-25; Rom 5:1; 7:6).
                  2. Those in Christ are no longer condemned by sin, because in Christ we are forgiven of our sins and justified through his blood (Rom 5:9).
                  3. Those in Christ are no longer condemned by Death, because in Christ we associate with his death and also his resurrection (Rom6:2-8-17) .
                  Paul writes as sons of God, we have an obligation not to live by the flesh, but by the spirit of God (Rom8:12-17).


                  Maybe it is not the law that condemns but other Christians that condemn?
                  The key words are "in Christ". This is the hinge that opens the door of understanding. The first epistle of John has much to say about "in Christ" and "abiding in Christ". If you want to know what being in Christ means start there
                  1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

                  2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

                  "My heart was once hard and dark. Then God turned on the Light and the Water."

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                  • #10
                    Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                    I thought I did mention that in my post?

                    There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
                    1.Those in Christ are no longer under the written code of the law, but under Grace (Rom 3:21-25; Rom 5:1; 7:6).
                    2.Those in Christ are no longer condemned by sin, because in Christ we are forgiven of our sins and justified through his blood (Rom 5:9).
                    3.Those in Christ are no longer condemned by Death, because in Christ we associate with his death and also his resurrection (Rom6:2-8-17) .
                    Paul writes as sons of God, we have an obligation not to live by the flesh, but by the spirit of God (Rom8:12-17).



                    Originally posted by glad4mercy View Post
                    The key words are "in Christ". This is the hinge that opens the door of understanding. The first epistle of John has much to say about "in Christ" and "abiding in Christ". If you want to know what being in Christ means start there

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                    • #11
                      Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                      The law no longer condemns us...but the enemy will try!
                      Sunset remembers Eden...sunrise prophesies its return.

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                      • #12
                        Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                        Originally posted by chad View Post
                        I thought I did mention that in my post?

                        There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
                        1.Those in Christ are no longer under the written code of the law, but under Grace (Rom 3:21-25; Rom 5:1; 7:6).
                        2.Those in Christ are no longer condemned by sin, because in Christ we are forgiven of our sins and justified through his blood (Rom 5:9).
                        3.Those in Christ are no longer condemned by Death, because in Christ we associate with his death and also his resurrection (Rom6:2-8-17) .
                        Paul writes as sons of God, we have an obligation not to live by the flesh, but by the spirit of God (Rom8:12-17).
                        No denying brother. I was agreeing with you. I was just building on what you said by pointing to 1 John. The words "in Him" are repeated numerously in that little book. So to build on this, what does it mean to be "in Christ"?
                        1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

                        2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

                        "My heart was once hard and dark. Then God turned on the Light and the Water."

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                        • #13
                          Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                          Ok here is the point I am trying to make. Do those in Christ …

                          Only get to repent of their sins only once, at repentance and baptism.

                          - If they walk in the flesh (through weakness) after repentace and sin, then they are no longer Christians?

                          - They were never Chrsitians in the first place?

                          - Do those in Christ loose their salvation, becuase they commit one sin in the flesh after repentance?


                          Where is the Grace of God? Where is the forgiveness? Where is the mercy of God? To me by what some believe, being under the Grace in Jesus is even harsher than the being under the written code of the law. At least under the written code, you could offer sacrifices for your sins every year. Where is the Grace and forgiveness under the new covenant in Christ?


                          Originally posted by glad4mercy View Post
                          The key words are "in Christ". This is the hinge that opens the door of understanding. The first epistle of John has much to say about "in Christ" and "abiding in Christ". If you want to know what being in Christ means start there

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                          • #14
                            Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                            Originally posted by Watchman View Post
                            The law no longer condemns us...but the enemy will try!
                            The law no longer condemns because we are in Christ Jesus and we are led by the Spirit of God. We have died to the Law so that we could be married to another, even the one who died for us and rose from the dead, so that we might bring forth fruit unto God. Christ has saved us, we have been engrafted into Him, He is our head and we obey Him in love. This is what it means to be "in Christ".

                            Everyone who is led by the Spirit of God is made free from the Law of sin and death by the Law of the Spirit of Life.

                            There are at least three different Laws mentioned in Romans 7-8. Law can mean a code of conduct or it can mean a principle, ( like the law of Gravity).

                            1. The Law of Moses. ( the minimum standard of righteousness) ( Romans 7:1) This is the bare minimum of what God requires. Without Christ, we are powerless to meet it's conditions , so Jesus stepped in and fulfilled all righteousness. This means He met it's righteous demands in our place, and He also raised the bar to new heights, ( ...you have heard that the Law has said...but I say...). Yet we can reach these heights by abiding in Christ and walking in the Spirit.

                            Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

                            2. The Law of sin and death in our members, ( a principle that drags us down like gravity) . ( Romans 7: 23; Romans 8: 2B) This is the principle in man that is bent on sin. If we trust our own strength we keep tumbling down. Christ died so this power could be nullified. ( Romans 8:3)

                            3. The Law of the Spirit of life. ( the life of Resurrection power) ( Romans 8:2a) This is the power of the Holy Spirit, ( the same power that raised Christ), that makes us free from the Law of sin and death. Are you ready to soar?

                            We who are in Christ are both enabled and called to walk in the Spirit's power.

                            Romans 8: 12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
                            13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
                            1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

                            2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

                            "My heart was once hard and dark. Then God turned on the Light and the Water."

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                            • #15
                              Re: No Condemnation in Christ Jesus

                              I hope we can keep prespective here. satan is not an omnicient or onmipresent being who can go around harrassing everyone. He's a created being with minyons who can only be at one place at a time.

                              If we're feeling guilt or condemnation, it's usually from the flesh, not satan. he's busy with more important people than us to harass.
                              Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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