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    Confusion starts almost immediately with the Bible in the first chapter of Genesis. This confusion is regarding man and woman, specifically woman.

    The first mention of man is in Genesis 1:26 - 'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...' Now, in Genesis 1:27 it says, '...male AND FEMALE he created them.' In Genesis 1:31, God saw every thing he had made and it was very good. Then it says, the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    Genesis 2:1 begins by saying that the heavens and the earth were finished. Genesis 2:2 and so on begins talking about the seventh day, how it was made holy, etc.

    Genesis 2:8 says, 'and there he put the man he had formed,' meaning Adam in Eden. There is no mention of Eve, of Woman, who should have already been created by the words of Genesis 1:27. In fact, woman's creation is in Genesis 2:22, after the sixth day in which female should have been created, and after man, Adam, was placed in Eden and in need of a helpmate.

    Eve is supposed to be the first woman, and woman was supposedly created on the sixth day, yet Eve actually shows up after the sixth and seventh day, after Adam had been put into the garden of Eden, in which God planted.

    How does this make any sense at all?

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    Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

    The two accounts aren't meant to be read chronologically. They're looking at the same act of creation from entirely different perspectives.
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    • #3
      Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

      Originally posted by markedward View Post
      The two accounts aren't meant to be read chronologically. They're looking at the same act of creation from entirely different perspectives.
      Also, Adam and Eve being the first man and woman had relations and created Cain and Abel. After Cain kills Abel and God punishes Cain, Cain states his fear of being killed by anyone who finds him. God said anyone that kills him will be punished sevenfold. If Adam and Eve were first, and they created Cain and Abel, where did these people Cain fears come from? Soon after, Cain's wife is mentioned. Where did she come from?

      I assume that the answer is that Adam and Eve with the FIRST, not the ONLY? Correct? But why isn't there a mention of this?

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        Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

        Originally posted by Michael1325 View Post
        Also, Adam and Eve being the first man and woman had relations and created Cain and Abel. After Cain kills Abel and God punishes Cain, Cain states his fear of being killed by anyone who finds him. God said anyone that kills him will be punished sevenfold. If Adam and Eve were first, and they created Cain and Abel, where did these people Cain fears come from? Soon after, Cain's wife is mentioned. Where did she come from?
        It was traditionally believed that Adam had 33 sons and 23 daughters.

        Josephus says (parenthesis mine) , "He (Adam) had indeed many other children, but Seth in particular. As for the rest, it would be tedious to name them"- Antiquities 1.2:3

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          Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

          Originally posted by Michael1325 View Post
          Confusion starts almost immediately with the Bible in the first chapter of Genesis. This confusion is regarding man and woman, specifically woman.

          The first mention of man is in Genesis 1:26 - 'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...' Now, in Genesis 1:27 it says, '...male AND FEMALE he created them.' In Genesis 1:31, God saw every thing he had made and it was very good. Then it says, the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

          Genesis 2:1 begins by saying that the heavens and the earth were finished. Genesis 2:2 and so on begins talking about the seventh day, how it was made holy, etc.

          Genesis 2:8 says, 'and there he put the man he had formed,' meaning Adam in Eden. There is no mention of Eve, of Woman, who should have already been created by the words of Genesis 1:27. In fact, woman's creation is in Genesis 2:22, after the sixth day in which female should have been created, and after man, Adam, was placed in Eden and in need of a helpmate.

          Eve is supposed to be the first woman, and woman was supposedly created on the sixth day, yet Eve actually shows up after the sixth and seventh day, after Adam had been put into the garden of Eden, in which God planted.

          How does this make any sense at all?


          I would think the following is proof that the 2 Genesis accounts are the same events, but from different perspectives.

          Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

          Would it be safe to conclude that a female and a woman is the very same thing?
          I would think so.

          Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
          22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
          23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

          If this somehow happens after God allegedly creates different females in Genesis 1, then what would they have been called? This passage tells us there was no such thing as a woman, in which a woman would be a female, right? Not until the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And then we see Adam saying, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

          All of that clearly contradicts Genesis 1 if God created any females prior to Eve in chapter 2. The only way to logically square this, both accounts are the same events, but from different perspectives.


          I would think this should answer your 2nd post as well. Since God didn't create nor form anyone other than Adam and Eve, then obviously Cain's wife had to be a sister, a niece, etc. You also have to allow for the fact that are gaps of time in the Genesis 4 account. We have no clue how old Cain was when he slew Abel, nor how many children Adam and Eve has brought into the world at the point. It's totally possible that Adam and Eve were already working on a family while in the garden, since God told them to be fruitful and multiply. And this would be before they even fell. At this point, the Bible is mainly focusing on the line that leads to Christ, the reason Seth is mentioned soon after.

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            Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

            Markedward and divaD are right about the two accounts not to be read chronologically.

            What you are reading here and what is found in other places in the Bible, as well as film and literature, is a flashback.

            Someone gives an account of something and the telling of that account with the facts included have a specific purpose. Then one goes back and fills in some detail that has a totally different purpose. It happens all the time in something as simple as conversation, speech giving, and letter writing.

            Flashbacks have a purpose. In my opinion and this is just my two cents, the purpose of the flashback in chapter two is this.

            Chapter one gives an account of God creating everything. Not a lot of detail is given, but enough is given to understand that God is soverign and nothing was made that He did not make – including man and woman on the sixth day. Also, chapter 1 has a purpose of letting the reader know that everything that God made was very good. Chapter one has a rhythm and cadence to it - almost like song with each "stanza" giving an acount of what was created and giving the credit to God. It's about ALL of His creation and the Godly order to it.

            Chapter two has a uniquely different purpose. Chapter two flashes back to the sixth day lets the reader know that there is a difference between humanity and animals and a difference between a man and a woman. Beginning with their creation – their order – their design. God calls both humans “good”. All things about them – including the things that make them different from each other are good. Chapter two is a peek into the relationship between the two – the joy that Adam felt when God presented Eve to him – and the powerful relationship Eve has with Adam – the “help that is meet” – the “ezer kenegdo” that she is to him.

            You will find another flashback in Genesis. Chapters 10 and 11 are completely in reverse chronologically. Chapter 10 gives a genealogical accounting of Noah’s descendants, their possessing unique political groups, languages, and geographical regions. Chapter 11 gives the account of the Tower of Babel and tells the reader HOW those differing political groups, languages, and geographic regions came to be.

            The entire Bible in not in chronological order, but in order by genre of the books. And flashbacks with an account are quite common and help to reveal more detail about a previous account with interrupting the purpose of the previous account.
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            • #7
              Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

              Originally posted by Michael1325 View Post
              Confusion starts almost immediately with the Bible in the first chapter of Genesis. This confusion is regarding man and woman, specifically woman.

              The first mention of man is in Genesis 1:26 - 'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...' Now, in Genesis 1:27 it says, '...male AND FEMALE he created them.' In Genesis 1:31, God saw every thing he had made and it was very good. Then it says, the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

              Genesis 2:1 begins by saying that the heavens and the earth were finished. Genesis 2:2 and so on begins talking about the seventh day, how it was made holy, etc.

              Genesis 2:8 says, 'and there he put the man he had formed,' meaning Adam in Eden. There is no mention of Eve, of Woman, who should have already been created by the words of Genesis 1:27. In fact, woman's creation is in Genesis 2:22, after the sixth day in which female should have been created, and after man, Adam, was placed in Eden and in need of a helpmate.

              Eve is supposed to be the first woman, and woman was supposedly created on the sixth day, yet Eve actually shows up after the sixth and seventh day, after Adam had been put into the garden of Eden, in which God planted.

              How does this make any sense at all?
              Seems pretty clear. When God made Adam God also made Eve. Eve was within Adam. All of her DNA was within Adam. When God removed the rib he also removed the sweetest part of Adam. That is what made Adam desire Eve, she was his missing part, his sensitive side.

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              • #8
                Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                Originally posted by divaD View Post
                It's totally possible that Adam and Eve were already working on a family while in the garden, since God told them to be fruitful and multiply. And this would be before they even fell.
                Possibly but the scripture only says that Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden and doesn't mention any chillins following them out. If they had family before the fall would the children be innocent, not born into sin? Interesting thought.
                "He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
                C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."

                "Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
                "Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"

                "But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
                "It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
                "Our Hope is unchanged"
                "Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant

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                • #9
                  Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                  Paul says that through Adam's sin, all of creation fell subject to the effects of sin; it wouldn't have mattered whether there were children born before or after Adam's own sin.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                    Originally posted by Michael1325 View Post
                    Confusion starts almost immediately with the Bible in the first chapter of Genesis. This confusion is regarding man and woman, specifically woman.

                    The first mention of man is in Genesis 1:26 - 'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...' Now, in Genesis 1:27 it says, '...male AND FEMALE he created them.' In Genesis 1:31, God saw every thing he had made and it was very good. Then it says, the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

                    Genesis 2:1 begins by saying that the heavens and the earth were finished. Genesis 2:2 and so on begins talking about the seventh day, how it was made holy, etc.

                    Genesis 2:8 says, 'and there he put the man he had formed,' meaning Adam in Eden. There is no mention of Eve, of Woman, who should have already been created by the words of Genesis 1:27. In fact, woman's creation is in Genesis 2:22, after the sixth day in which female should have been created, and after man, Adam, was placed in Eden and in need of a helpmate.

                    Eve is supposed to be the first woman, and woman was supposedly created on the sixth day, yet Eve actually shows up after the sixth and seventh day, after Adam had been put into the garden of Eden, in which God planted.

                    How does this make any sense at all?
                    And here is another intriguing thing:
                    God said let there be light, DAYS before He created the sun and moon....

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                    • #11
                      Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                      Light and light energy can exist in the universe without the moon and without the sun. Some say this initial light was God's glory. Some say it was massive light energy from other elements of objects He was creating.

                      I think of it like this. The lights in my bedroom can be on and very bright, but I still may need a flashlight to see everything under my bed or in a dark corner of a closet.

                      Revelation 21 says that in heaven there will be no sun or moon but it will be illuminated nonetheless.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                        Hi Jayne,
                        I have been really digging your posts in some of these threads!
                        I always kind of pictured the light being the same light John talks about in the beginning of his gospel.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                          Originally posted by jayne View Post
                          Some say this initial light was God's glory.
                          As to those who might see it like that, I wouldn't see how that would work tho. Why would God then have to say let there be light? Shouldn't there already be light via His presence of being there?

                          Then verse 4 states this.

                          Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

                          If that was meaning His glory, why would He see that His glory was good? Wouldn't His glory already be good, beyond good actually, and that He wouldn't need to conclude that after seeing the light?

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                            Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                            Hi DivaD,

                            I guess that depends on how you see "void" and "without form", or the "tohuw and bohuw"
                            It's a cool study, and pretty quick, because the phrase only occurs twice in the whole bible!
                            I see it from an artists perspective I guess. (Disclaimer: Didn't say a GOOD artist, just an artist.)

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                              Re: Confusion early on in Genesis

                              Originally posted by awestruckchild View Post
                              Hi DivaD,

                              I guess that depends on how you see "void" and "without form", or the "tohuw and bohuw"
                              It's a cool study, and pretty quick, because the phrase only occurs twice in the whole bible!
                              I see it from an artists perspective I guess. (Disclaimer: Didn't say a GOOD artist, just an artist.)


                              The 2nd time "void" and "without form" is used would be in Jeremiah 4:23. Obviously a future event from Jeremiah's perspective, since Israel is much of the context in that chapter, and the fact there would be no such thing as Israel as of yet in Genesis 1:2. So even tho similar language is used in Jeremiah 4, it would be out of context to place that anywhere but in Israel's future.

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