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    From The Heavenly Man (page 233):

    However, after a few years these same mission organizations started putting other books at the top of the bags of Bibles. These were books about one particular denomination's theology, or teaching that focused on certain aspects of God's Word.
    This, I believe, was the start of disunity among many of China's house churches.
    These booklets told us we must worship in a certain way, or that we must speak in tongues to be a true believer, or that only if we were baptized in Jesus' name (instead of in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) could we be saved. Other teachings focused on extreme faith, still others argued for or against the role of women in the church.
    We read all these booklets and soon we were confused! The churches started to split into groups that believed one thing against groups that believed another. Instead of only speaking for Jesus, we also started speaking against other believers who didn't conform to our views.
    2 Cor 2:2
    For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

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    Re: How unity goes out the window

    Could you imagine what could be done if we were all truly one?
    This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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    • #3
      Re: How unity goes out the window

      God is in no wise throttled because there are only a few who are obedient to Him.
      How many times was the nation of Israel victorious over larger armies and nations? Jesus doesn't need "numbers" to maintain His dominion on earth.

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        Re: How unity goes out the window

        Originally posted by -SEEKING- View Post
        Could you imagine what could be done if we were all truly one?
        Yep! So can satan which is why he sows so much division!

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          Originally posted by Dani H View Post
          From The Heavenly Man (page 233):



          2 Cor 2:2
          For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
          I read that book recently. Wow. Unity in Christ. Nice.

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            D'ya know that Brother Yun (the Heavenly Man) is touring the United States this week? I rolled my eyes when I saw some of the organizations he's partnered with here, and I think he's smart enough to know they're not perfect. I don't go to many charismatic or "prophetic" churches because I'm not confident I can stand firm against deception. But Yun is tested and confident. Anywhere God leads he will go. I could use more of that confidence.

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            • #7
              Re: How unity goes out the window

              Great thread Dani.


              We will have unity one day... before the throne all the silly divisions will be forgotten.
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                Originally posted by little watchman View Post
                D'ya know that Brother Yun (the Heavenly Man) is touring the United States this week? I rolled my eyes when I saw some of the organizations he's partnered with here, and I think he's smart enough to know they're not perfect. I don't go to many charismatic or "prophetic" churches because I'm not confident I can stand firm against deception. But Yun is tested and confident. Anywhere God leads he will go. I could use more of that confidence.
                That man can teach any of us about faith. I pray God uses him mightily to get people to understand what real faith in Christ is really all about.

                I know that prayer for the persecuted believers is important, as is support. However, I do also believe that when it comes to faith ... they should be praying for the rest of us because they understand it, and have it, in a far greater measure than those of us who live in relative comfort and ease. They've already lived out what so many of us are (either secretly or overtly) terrified about.

                I do believe we can have unity now. Why wait until we get to heaven? All we gotta do is make Jesus our priority and lay aside the secondary things that we disagree on.

                So ... who's first?

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                  Re: How unity goes out the window

                  Ever think separation is a Great thing?
                  It allows for the bad element to not infest the entire christian population.
                  Separation is also the essence of Freedom, when Christians tried to UNIFY last time, a thing called the INQUISITION occurred.

                  Also Separation Is part of the plan of God, he has pastors with only him self over them, running many different flocks.
                  When ever denominations or some power tries to place them self between the pastor and God... Corruption, tyranny, self righeouness, and crusader arrogance starts to occur.

                  Therefore Separation is wonderful.

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                  • #10
                    Re: How unity goes out the window

                    I hear that when you come together as a church there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. For there need to also be heresies among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you. (1 Corinthians 11:18-19)

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                      Christ is not divided.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Dani H View Post
                        Yep! So can satan which is why he sows so much division!
                        1 Cor 11:18-20
                        18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you.
                        NASU

                        God uses that division to show us who are approved. Paul said there must be factions. We won't ever change that. But what we can do, is allow God to make evident to us who is approved. Without the factions, it would not be as evident.
                        Matt 9:13
                        13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
                        NASU

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                          Re: How unity goes out the window

                          A bit more about Brother Yun and the Chinese house churches. They also went through the struggle of defending the gospel against error while including as many as possible in the church, and because they did this mostly independently of the West, they produced a very interesting statement of faith. When I started writing my own statement of faith, I leaned more on theirs than anyone else's.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How unity goes out the window

                            Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
                            1 Cor 11:18-20
                            18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you.
                            NASU

                            God uses that division to show us who are approved. Paul said there must be factions. We won't ever change that. But what we can do, is allow God to make evident to us who is approved. Without the factions, it would not be as evident.
                            I read that as a rebuke rather than a supportive statement. It basically means that the church was being divisive and that testing would come to bring truth out. Why would Paul preface that statement with him not being pleased with what he was about to say? Their behavior was harmful, and Paul didn't like it.

                            You can interpret that as you wish of course, but that's what I see, and in context it makes sense.

                            However, we'll agree to disagree and maintain unity that way, yes?

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                              This came to mind today.

                              Philippians 1:27 "Only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or remain absent, I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel" - NASB

                              And this one as well

                              Philippians 2:1-6 "1 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2 make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. 3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped"
                              This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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