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    When we compare the Bibles used by various Christian groups, we find the following writings that are not found in the Protestant Canon but which are found in the Bibles of other Christian groups:

    Books and Additions to Esther and Daniel that are in the Roman Catholic, Greek, and Slavonic Bibles

    Tobit
    Judith
    The Additions to the Book of Esther found in the Greek Version
    The Wisdom of Solomon
    Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus, Son of Sirach
    Baruch
    The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch ch. 6)
    The Additions to the Greek Book of Daniel
    The Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Jews
    Susanna
    Bel and the Dragon
    1 Maccabees
    2 Maccabees

    Books in the Greek and Slavonic Bibles; Not in the Roman Catholic Canon

    1 Esdras (2 Esdras in the Slavonic Bible, 3 Esdras in Appendix to the Vulgate)
    The Prayer of Manasseh
    Psalm 151
    3 Maccabees

    A composite book in the Slavonic Bible and in the Latin Vulgate Appendix

    2 Esdras (3 Esdras in the Slavonic Bible, 4 Esdras in the Vulgate Appendix; “Esdras” is the Greek form of “Era”)

    (Note: In the Latin Vulgate, Ezra- Nehemiah are 1 and 2 Esdras.)

    A book in an Appendix to the Greek Bible

    4 Maccabees (This book is included in two important Bibles from the fourth and fifth century.)

    In my personal library, I have well over 100 bibles, and only two of them, an edition of the English Standard Version and an edition of the New Revised Standard Version, include all of the books and additions to Esther and Daniel that I have listed above.

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    Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

    Another thing also... Paul wrote a total of FOUR letters to the Corinthians. Two are lost as of right now and the other two, since they were not lost, made the cannon.

    Why do MANY in the Body of Christ claim that the Bible is perfect?????????????
    Slug1--out

    ~"In the turmoil of any chaos, all it takes is that whisper that is heard like thunder over all the noise and the chaos seems to go away, focus returns and we are comforted in knowing that God has listened to our cry for help."~

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      Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

      Outstanding OP, Jemand. I suppose my question would be: how are we to know which writings are theopneustos? Hopefully, this discussion will have some participation, because I'm betting you have a wealth of information to contribute.

      W
      Sunset remembers Eden...sunrise prophesies its return.

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      • #4
        Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

        A couple thoughts:

        Define Bible.

        Because a group includes a book in their collection does that automatically make it theopneustos?

        Yes, there are letters of Paul we don't have. Such as extra writing(s) to the Corinthians. We don't have his letter to the Laodiceans. But is every writing of Paul theopneustos?

        Also, it is not the same thing to say All Scripture is theopnuestos as to say All theopneustos writings are Scirpture.

        Things to think about.

        In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity. - Rupertus Meldenius

        Read your Bible and pray every single day. - Pastor Jon Courson

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        • #5
          Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

          Originally posted by TrustGzus View Post
          A couple thoughts:

          Define Bible.

          Because a group includes a book in their collection does that automatically make it theopneustos?

          Yes, there are letters of Paul we don't have. Such as extra writing(s) to the Corinthians. We don't have his letter to the Laodiceans. But is every writing of Paul theopneustos?

          Also, it is not the same thing to say All Scripture is theopnuestos as to say All theopneustos writings are Scirpture.

          Things to think about.
          I have thought about it... thus the reason I ask how people can say the Bible is "the perfect" when specific letters that were written by Apostles, are missing or other men determined not to include. Heck, half the NT was not fully agreed on and some books barely squeezed into the final cannan of "mans" choice. The Revelation almost didn't make it into the cannon.

          Honestly, I feel the loss of scripture is to show us that the Bible is not... "the perfect".

          Things to think about
          Slug1--out

          ~"In the turmoil of any chaos, all it takes is that whisper that is heard like thunder over all the noise and the chaos seems to go away, focus returns and we are comforted in knowing that God has listened to our cry for help."~

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          • #6
            Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

            Originally posted by Slug1 View Post
            Honestly, I feel the loss of scripture is to show us that the Bible is not... "the perfect".

            Things to think about
            WOW! That's heavy dude. Never thought of it that way.
            This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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            • #7
              Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

              Originally posted by -SEEKING- View Post
              WOW! That's heavy dude. Never thought of it that way.
              My ESV Study Bible is heavy, my NKJV Bible isn't that heavy
              Slug1--out

              ~"In the turmoil of any chaos, all it takes is that whisper that is heard like thunder over all the noise and the chaos seems to go away, focus returns and we are comforted in knowing that God has listened to our cry for help."~

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              • #8
                Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                Originally posted by Slug1 View Post
                My ESV Study Bible is heavy, my NKJV Bible isn't that heavy
                I used to own a 4 translation parallel Bible...weighty, that one!
                Sunset remembers Eden...sunrise prophesies its return.

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                • #9
                  Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                  Originally posted by Slug1 View Post
                  Another thing also... Paul wrote a total of FOUR letters to the Corinthians. Two are lost as of right now and the other two, since they were not lost, made the cannon.

                  Why do MANY in the Body of Christ claim that the Bible is perfect?????????????
                  Does not having having all the manuscripts make the ones we do have imperfect? I don't disagree with you, just wondering if you could elaborate a bit.
                  Baruch hata Adonai, elo-henu malech ha-olam, ha'tov, va-ha'me-tev.

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                  • #10
                    Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                    Apocrypha - Spurious, Hidden, Esoteric. The word implies that the books are non inspired.

                    I wonder what it is that people hope to find in some other writings. A new means of salvation? Most of us don't even understand the scripture we do have.

                    I also wonder on what grounds some reject the book of Mormon? We are supposed to be knowledgeable enough to accept the bible and reject the book of Mormon or the Quaran but somehow apocryphal books have us stumped?

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                    • #11
                      Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                      Is this thread a spinoff from another thread?
                      Originally posted by Job 34:19
                      God is not partial to princes and does not favor the rich over the poor, for they are all the work of His hands.

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                      • #12
                        Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                        Originally posted by Slug1 View Post
                        Another thing also... Paul wrote a total of FOUR letters to the Corinthians. Two are lost as of right now and the other two, since they were not lost, made the cannon.

                        Why do MANY in the Body of Christ claim that the Bible is perfect?????????????
                        Because God retained his word and preserved what he intended for man.
                        Originally posted by Job 34:19
                        God is not partial to princes and does not favor the rich over the poor, for they are all the work of His hands.

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                        • #13
                          Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                          Originally posted by Watchman View Post
                          Outstanding OP, Jemand. I suppose my question would be: how are we to know which writings are theopneustos? Hopefully, this discussion will have some participation, because I'm betting you have a wealth of information to contribute.

                          W

                          To answer your question any writing claimed to be from God would meet certain criteria.

                          In the early church when the bible was being assembled there were a number of writings floating around that were simply not inspired. Some of those are easy to pick out. Perhaps they are in opposition to God's scripture. For example if one of these books said something that we all knew to be directly in contrast with one of the commandments.

                          In regards to the Roman Catholic Apocrypha it wasn't seen as inspired even prior to Christ. The protestant OT is exactly the OT that the Jews had. Though some of the books were grouped together. Jeremiah and Lamentations for example. They never accepted books like Tobit as inspired. Some are seen as historical as in 1 Maccabees but the second book contained obvious errors.

                          I am actually in the middle of working on a book on the canon of the Christian church because this topic comes up often enough. It's just going to take some time.... going through the documents and all that.

                          Tobit is a good one to look at. It really feels like it was written by a Pharisee for teaching purposes. It comes across as meritorious and superstitious. The problem is that various Catholic bibles contain rather different versions. The verse numbering is off and sometimes entire portions of the text are changed or added/omitted. That's really what's been slowing me down because a newer St Joseph edition NAB will differ greatly from a Douay-Rhiems from decades ago. Finding out why the changes were made is even more difficult.

                          That said the protestant bible we have today contains the same Old Testament as the Jew's had in the time of Christ and going forward. While there have been some discussions as Christians poured over these documents (ie. Hebrews, Revelations) we can be assured that we have God's word as He intended us to have
                          Originally posted by Job 34:19
                          God is not partial to princes and does not favor the rich over the poor, for they are all the work of His hands.

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                            Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                            Originally posted by Slug1 View Post
                            Another thing also... Paul wrote a total of FOUR letters to the Corinthians. Two are lost as of right now and the other two, since they were not lost, made the cannon.

                            Why do MANY in the Body of Christ claim that the Bible is perfect?????????????
                            Because they need it to be "perfect" to claim tongues ceased.

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                            • #15
                              Re: How Much of the Bible Do You Own?

                              Originally posted by Reynolds357 View Post
                              Because they need it to be "perfect" to claim tongues ceased.
                              ...and prophecy, and knowledge, and a partridge in a pear tree.
                              Sunset remembers Eden...sunrise prophesies its return.

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