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  • #91
    Re: Ice Cream > Marriage

    Originally posted by Vakeros View Post
    The evidence is in the nature of God and what He did. The evidence is in God's way of stating what the blessing is - did you catch it? Was it simply for Man and Woman to be alone forever? No it wasn't.
    Once again, you're merging two issues. Adam's personal problem had nothing to do with having children, otherwise God would have said "very good" after he had children.

    A similar example is when Jesus says "It is finished" on the cross. Was everything finished? No it wasn't.
    You're merging two issues here also. "It is finished" is about His mission on Earth, not the entire human saga. It was finished when God said it was finished. Likewise, it was very good when God said it was very good. Neither are about the future, but the past - what had been accomplished.

    Secondly, Eve wasn't the solution - the Woman was.
    The human female whom God created out of Adam's side was the solution to Adam's personal problem of being alone.

    Thirdly, the Woman simply being created, or even being brought to the Man wasn't the solution.
    God's solution for Adam being alone was making a wife - not another Adam, not a friend, not a sibling, not an acquaintance. That's what the text says.

    Note that the statement isn't ONLY in reference to Man and Woman - but rather in reference to EVERYTHING He had made.
    And "everything He had made" includes marriage.

    Pure AGAPE homosexuality is different to impure worldly homosexuality.
    Do you have Scripture which differentiates "good homosexuality" from "bad homosexuality?"

    A person can be whole and complete without being married.
    Then why was Adam not whole and complete without being married?
    「耶和華聖潔無比,獨一無二,沒有磐石像我們的上帝。
    撒母耳記上 (1 Samuel) 2:2

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    • #92
      Re: Ice Cream > Marriage

      Originally posted by Ceegen View Post
      ... What?

      Love has nothing to do with sex. What kind of craziness are you speaking of?
      Autosexual and homosexual as definitions have nothing to do with sex per se - they mean love of self and love of the same sex. However nowadays, it is also used for performing sexual acts upon yourself or (with homosexual) sexual acts upon those of the same sex. If you know a different word which means loving yourself and for loving others who are of the same sex as yourself, then I would be interested to learn what it is.
      God loves the Son and the Son loves the Father - He loves Himself and He loves the One who is the same type as Himself. These are both truthful statements. It is when we twist it with post Fallen usage that we get craziness. A little bit like Aviyah's idea that we are in a polygamous relationship with Jesus, which includes homosexuality as males are also the Bride.

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      • #93
        Re: Ice Cream > Marriage

        Originally posted by Aviyah View Post
        Once again, you're merging two issues. Adam's personal problem had nothing to do with having children, otherwise God would have said "very good" after he had children.
        The Man's personal problem was "being alone". If he had children would he be alone? No. So the problem is dealt with as we have the Man as being the sole representative of ALL of humanity, which is what you are doing in this thread. If it was solely about this Man then it wouldn't matter whether he married or not, because it is only in relation himself. However when we look at the Man as standing in for mankind, then we see a wider problem and thus need to understand the wider solution.

        You're merging two issues here also. "It is finished" is about His mission on Earth, not the entire human saga. It was finished when God said it was finished. Likewise, it was very good when God said it was very good. Neither are about the future, but the past - what had been accomplished.
        Not merging two issues, just showing how in one issue we see a finish, which allowed God to view things differently, and another where He does the same. Was Jesus mission on earth finished? No, He still appeared to people, He still showed them things, He still taught them. A certain number of things WERE accomplished it is true - such as the payment for sin. But that solution though finished, continues. God can thus say the same about the Man and the Woman. He finished His part and it was very good. The Man and the Woman though were just STARTING their part.

        The human female whom God created out of Adam's side was the solution to Adam's personal problem of being alone.
        She had the potential to be so. What if she left him? Had enough? Would He still be alone? The aloneness was a snapshot of a moment in time. God provided a solution which for a snapshot was a solution, but in fact was intended for a permanent / continual solution. Being alone is a state of being - it continues until something causes it to end.

        God's solution for Adam being alone was making a wife - not another Adam, not a friend, not a sibling, not an acquaintance. That's what the text says.
        It is what the text says and I am not changing the text. Is that the sole solution for someone being alone? Is that what the text is saying? No it isn't. An animal was the solution, but someone like himself, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh. Would his children be of his flesh?

        And "everything He had made" includes marriage.
        Indeed it does, but the everything is GREATER than marriage. What you seem to do is make the marriage = the GREATER which it doesn't.

        Do you have Scripture which differentiates "good homosexuality" from "bad homosexuality?"
        It is simply the meaning of the word - read my response to Ceegen.

        Then why was Adam not whole and complete without being married?
        Who says the Man wasn't whole or complete? The text doesn't say that - all it states is that he was alone. God chose a way to deal with that aloneness. A way that matched what He did with ALL the rest of His creation. A way that highlights how God views Woman - as equal to Man. As someone to be in relationship with Man. As someone who is like and yet other to Man.
        There are zero scriptures which teach the idea that a man or woman are incomplete without the other. There are zero scriptures which teach that there is a specific "other" for a man or woman. There is opinion. Actually we are less complete without God than we are without someone of the other sex.
        The Man had God, but God saw that the Man didn't have someone like himself and so made Woman. Through them ALL of mankind would come to be. None would every be alone again. Yet don't we find that even in the midst of busy cities that people are more alone than ever?

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