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    I cant help but think of this.. Here we have a large and long lived world.. about 5000 years of recorded History.. West and East.. Lands that are discovered in later years.. And there are Villages.. Communities.. and such that never have even herd of Jesus.. What of all these people?? are they doomed because of their time and birth place on this planet? They are facing eternal Hell because the dice they rolled didnt match the set of winning numbers? This just hurts my brain..

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tirisilex View Post
    I cant help but think of this.. Here we have a large and long lived world.. about 5000 years of recorded History.. West and East.. Lands that are discovered in later years.. And there are Villages.. Communities.. and such that never have even herd of Jesus.. What of all these people?? are they doomed because of their time and birth place on this planet? They are facing eternal Hell because the dice they rolled didnt match the set of winning numbers? This just hurts my brain..

    Hi,

    They are not doomed because of a roll of the dice. Paul says that which may be known of God is revealed. They have the natural creation to see. Also peter says that when Christ died He preached to the spirits in prison which were some time disobedient in the days of Noah. The early church believed that Christ preached to the dead, who had died before He came. Whether this was the righteous only or all we are not sure. However Clement of Alexandria puts forth a good are argument for all, when He says basically, If God has given us grace why would he not also give it to them? So, we know from Scripture that Christ did preach to those who died prior to His coming, it is possible that those who will never hear may have the gospel preached to them after they die. However this is conjecture and I have no Scripture to support it. It is only a thought that if God did not for them, then He might do it for those who never hear. However, as I said before, Paul said that which may be known of God has been revealed.

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    • #3
      Romans 1:18-20 says mankind is without excuse due to God's creation. There is a church on every street corner, and 1000's of different kinds of study Bibles in the USA, and yet millions of people in the USA still refuse to follow Christ. A lack of Bibles and Churches is not the problem, it's mankind's wickedness and lack of faith in Christ that's the problem.

      The USA teaches Godless evolution theories in schools and colleges, it makes laws to legalize abortion, and homosexual marriage, lets perverts lose from prison to rape and molest, and yet, there are enough printed Bibles in the USA for every citizen to have hundreds of Bibles in their homes.

      NO MAN IS WITHOUT EXCUSE TO FOLLOW THE LIVING GOD!

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      • #4
        That is a very callous way of describing the U.S.A. and people who have never heard of God. In the scripture you quoted, if says that all man has been instilled with the belief of God. I would agree, however, unless someone has a Bible in their hand and translated into their language, how can they possibly know it is OUR God that has done it? There are over 5,000 nations the Bible has yet to be translated for.

        This is actually changing. By the year 2025, a Bible should be available to everyone. In my humble and uneducataed opinion, I don't believe Christ will come before then.

        As for the "Godless" theories we're taught in the United States: yes, we live in a "liberal" society. But is it the role of governments to tell people that gay marriage isn't acceptable, or the Church's? How about abortion? Especially when about 80% of girls under 25 who get an abortion have a religious background.

        I'm sorry to burst your self-righteous bubble, but child pornography is legal in Japan. In some nations, rape isn't a crime and in other nations, slavery is still legal. The world is full of Satan's garbage and unbelievers. Jesus instructs us to go sift through the garbage and love all of the people despite their crimes.

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        • #5
          HI,

          This is my take on where they are covered. A judgement by works for those kind of people you have concern for. They still have the chance as Jesus does the judging and entrance into the kingdom would still be through Him.


          And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, [109] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
          (Rev 20:12-13 NKJV)

          Joe


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tirisilex View Post

            And there are Villages.. Communities.. and such that never have even herd of Jesus.. What of all these people?? are they doomed because of their time and birth place on this planet? They are facing eternal Hell because the dice they rolled didnt match the set of winning numbers? This just hurts my brain..
            Should we presume then that those who have never heard the message of the gospel somehow deserve salvation simply because they havenít heard it?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Silent Wings View Post
              Should we presume then that those who have never heard the message of the gospel somehow deserve salvation simply because they havenít heard it?
              Should we presume that God has completely ignored entire peoples?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ichiban View Post
                Should we presume that God has completely ignored entire peoples?


                God knows all men and all peoplesÖso which men and which peoples deserve salvation simply because they have not heard the gospel?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ichiban
                  You have the audacity to think that we, as believers in Christ, deserve anything more then the people who haven't heard the gospel? That we are somehow more qualified to meet God in heaven because believing in Christ makes us deserving?
                  Ummm... Were you being sarcastic?

                  I think that the elect (God's set apart people) ((those who have come to believe the truth while still alive in their bodies)) are more qualified. They already have the Holy Spirit in them. This to me would qualify as special.

                  Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: (Col 1:13 KJV)

                  The saved are already there in a way.. no?

                  The second part of your comment I would agree with.... mostly.

                  Love ya,

                  Joe

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                  • #10
                    14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
                    15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
                    16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mikebr View Post
                      14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
                      15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
                      16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
                      Why does KJV seem like deciphering a whole new language, for me?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tirisilex View Post
                        I cant help but think of this.. Here we have a large and long lived world.. about 5000 years of recorded History.. West and East.. Lands that are discovered in later years.. And there are Villages.. Communities.. and such that never have even herd of Jesus.. What of all these people?? are they doomed because of their time and birth place on this planet? They are facing eternal Hell because the dice they rolled didnt match the set of winning numbers? This just hurts my brain..

                        Dont worry, our God is a Just God. I bet you that if people couldnt reach that area then God would send angels to minister to the tribes and communities that have not heard the Gospel. Or maybe when they die they will get ministered to by Jesus, we dont know exactly. God is good and He will definately take care of it in a better way than we can even imagine.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tirisilex View Post
                          I cant help but think of this.. Here we have a large and long lived world.. about 5000 years of recorded History.. West and East.. Lands that are discovered in later years.. And there are Villages.. Communities.. and such that never have even herd of Jesus.. What of all these people?? are they doomed because of their time and birth place on this planet? They are facing eternal Hell because the dice they rolled didnt match the set of winning numbers? This just hurts my brain..
                          Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].

                          It's not a geographic matter. It is a matter of when and who God decides to reveal Himself to. I live in the US and never knew God or His Son until the day He was revealed to me, I never heard it from a person.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ichiban
                            I understand that unbelievers will not enter Heaven and that not knowing simply is not an excuse.
                            Interesting question for you. Will anyone after the end of days when they stand before Jesus in all His glory be able to not believe?

                            Originally posted by Ichiban
                            I agree and acknowledge. It is the idea that we are somehow more deserving of Heaven because we asked Jesus to save us. We did nothing to deserve God's Home.

                            I was thinking the other day how there is no term "more guilty". You either are guilty or not... like being pregnant. And all are guilty so I agree no one deserves salvation. Though I do think we do the thinking for ourselves when it comes to believing and so "do something" towards salvation. That may be a topic for another thread though...

                            Peace,

                            Joe

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                            • #15
                              Romans 10:13-18.

                              For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

                              How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

                              And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

                              But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

                              So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

                              But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


                              It looks like Paul is saying the gospel has already spread to the ends of the world?

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