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  • Why do we pray?

    I have a strange question. I've been having doubts in my faith and just need some reassurance.

    Why do we pray if it's always going to end up being God's call anyway?

    For example.
    If a loved one has cancer, I would ask my family and friends to pray for that person. For them to heal that person and let them survive.

    What would it matter for all of us to pray if it was Gods will for that person to die?
    Why bother to ask? Even if you want it, God doesn't want it for you. It wasn't in His plans.

    Why would I pray for something unreasonable? What if I pray for me to have lost a friendship. And I ask God to rekindle our friendship.. He did not plan that for me and that's why we drifted apart.

    I'm confused with "free will" and God's plan. God loves us and doesn't want us to sin but he gives us free will to make good or bad choices.
    What's the difference between God's plan and you creating your own destiny?

    Sorry, my mind is all over the place tonight. Rough month.
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    Re: Why do we pray?

    No worries you are asking a very good question.
    Firstly what is prayer? For me it's much much more than asking him for things for me it's how he and I speak to each other how we get to know each other it's how he and I pour our deepest and most intimate feelings into each others hearts it's how he often times speaks to me and through me and it is often times the most beautiful and most cherished times I have with him.

    But as for asking for things true it may not be his will for a loved one to be cured of cancer but it also could be the answer is not solely dependent on him he gives us a say in the matter as well to a certain degree. the closer you and him become the deeper the bond connection and love with you and him become the more your heart begins to develop his desires you begin to see as he does to love as he does your desires begin to become his desires your ways of thinking ways of doing things begin to match his and so you naturally will begin to ask according to his will.

    You see sometimes on my walks I see an ambulance or a firetruck zoom by with their sirens on now I have seen many times that ppl die in when you see this for whatever reason, and when thinking about a person dying whether they are saved or lost whether they are pure in heart and good ppl or whether they are the most sinful most cruel and most dark of hearts I begin to have tears and a deep pain in my chest like a white hot blade and I pray and beg him to take my life instead Pour my heart out to him I explain to him I don't care what I have to go through I don't care if I have to die a painful death I told him I don't care if he takes every treasure every honor every crown or title anything and everything he has to give me in heaven even if I just live in a cardboard box in his kingdom if he would only spare them and take me in their place.

    Now obviously I am am alive but I hope he saw my deep desire and willingness to take their place and accepted it as if I had actually paid for it with my life. they say your desires can sometimes affect your dreams I had a dream a while back in which I saw a dead person and death himself was standing over them I had a fire in my heart and a fire in my voice as I demanded the words you will take me. I didn't just say it I demanded it and in my voice was such a fire such a deep and profound love and protection for them.

    I truly believe this dream was God showing me my heart, his love affects my prayers what I ask for what I say and so he will do the same with anyone who seeks a deeper love and bond with him

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    • #3
      Re: Why do we pray?

      Because Christ commands us to pray always, and not to give up, which ought to be a good enough reason for any; beside that, we are suppose to deny our own will, if we are to be worthy of following Christ. (Luke 18:1) (Matthew 16:24)
      And they went out and preached that men should repent. (Mark 6:12)

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      • #4
        Re: Why do we pray?

        When we pray we develop intimacy with the Lord. This connection tunes us into what His will is for any given situation. We then pray according to His will. God does hear prayers of desperation in moments of crisis but the idea is that we pray even when things are going well. Our prayer time is an opportunity for us to petition God for our heart's desires but the main reason for it is to develop a loving relationship. There are instances where God has laid aside His perfect will to answer those He has this sort of relationship with.
        Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.

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        • #5
          Re: Why do we pray?

          Originally posted by kgnilla View Post
          I have a strange question. I've been having doubts in my faith and just need some reassurance.

          Why do we pray if it's always going to end up being God's call anyway?

          For example.
          If a loved one has cancer, I would ask my family and friends to pray for that person. For them to heal that person and let them survive.

          What would it matter for all of us to pray if it was Gods will for that person to die?
          Why bother to ask? Even if you want it, God doesn't want it for you. It wasn't in His plans.

          Why would I pray for something unreasonable? What if I pray for me to have lost a friendship. And I ask God to rekindle our friendship.. He did not plan that for me and that's why we drifted apart.

          I'm confused with "free will" and God's plan. God loves us and doesn't want us to sin but he gives us free will to make good or bad choices.
          What's the difference between God's plan and you creating your own destiny?

          Sorry, my mind is all over the place tonight. Rough month.
          Greetings kgnilla,

          I'm sorry you are having a rough time. Prayer is indeed the place to go when we have these times of discouragement and doubt. People will often say pray as a last resort, but according to Scripture prayer is our first response. We don't pray to try to get God to change His mind about a situation. We pray always, with thanksgiving, knowing that all things work together for good to those who love Him. To those who are the called according to His purposes.

          Prayer is for man! It is God's way of drawing us into a closer relationship with Him. When we pray, we pray knowing Thy will be done! Prayer takes our focus off the circumstance and puts our focus back on Him. When our focus is on Him, and not on the circumstance, then we can have peace and even joy through the circumstance, knowing that God has not abandoned us, and that this too will pass. When we remember that God is glorified even in the bad things that come to pass in this world [consider the cross] we pray as Christ did in the garden that if it by Thy will, Lord, please let this ??? pass from me. But if it be Thy will that I go through this trial, please give me your grace and comfort to know this too is the will of God for me. For His grace is enough for me, and will sustain me.

          Many Blessings,
          RW

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          • #6
            Re: Why do we pray?

            Prayer is an important part of the faith. Jesus prayed, the apostles and believers prayed. They taught others to pray also.

            Does God answer all the prayers that we pray? imo no, but that does not mean we should not pray.

            Just because God does not heal a loved one, it does not mean prayer is a waste of time.

            Prayer can change circumstances, but God does not always answer prayer and change circumstances as we ask and pray.

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            • #7
              Re: Why do we pray?

              Part of the faith walk is learning that God always answers our prayers. Sometimes yes, sometimes no and sometimes not now or maybe. Most of us don't ever develop that really close relationship where we consult God on most (we would hope all) items in our life. The more we ask, the more we see His answers the greater our faith grows and the greater our relationship grows. Relationship and growing faith are why we pray.

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              • #8
                Re: Why do we pray?

                Romans 8:24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
                25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
                26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

                There are times when things just seem to be too much. I don't know what else I could pray to God about. What else I could say to Him, to change His mind. The bible says it's God will be done. All things are for the good. We just always don't see it. This is when I just pray with "please help". Just cry or ask why.

                I think somewhere in the Bible it says something about our tears.

                Psalms 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?
                9 When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me.

                Psalms 126:5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.

                Isaiah 38:4 Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,
                5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
                Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.Matt 5:6

                I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. John 13:15

                Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
                And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
                Matt 25:46

                For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith,
                and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
                1 Tim 6:10

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                • #9
                  Re: Why do we pray?

                  Originally posted by kgnilla View Post
                  Why do we pray if it's always going to end up being God's call anyway?
                  That's why you ask according to His will not our own. Sometimes God will change his mind on something when someone asks for something. Christ prayed this exact way but on that request there could not be another way.
                  James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why do we pray?

                    Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                    That's why you ask according to His will not our own. Sometimes God will change his mind on something when someone asks for something. Christ prayed this exact way but on that request there could not be another way.
                    The thing is it takes time and growth to ask according to his will not our own, a lot of times it's very easy to confuse the two.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Why do we pray?

                      Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                      That's why you ask according to His will not our own. Sometimes God will change his mind on something when someone asks for something. Christ prayed this exact way but on that request there could not be another way.
                      So does that not contradict "free will"?
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                      • #12
                        Re: Why do we pray?

                        Originally posted by Blain View Post
                        The thing is it takes time and growth to ask according to his will not our own, a lot of times it's very easy to confuse the two.
                        Well people just need to say "not my will but yours" and God will understand.
                        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Why do we pray?

                          Originally posted by CurtTN View Post
                          Part of the faith walk is learning that God always answers our prayers. Sometimes yes, sometimes no and sometimes not now or maybe. Most of us don't ever develop that really close relationship where we consult God on most (we would hope all) items in our life. The more we ask, the more we see His answers the greater our faith grows and the greater our relationship grows. Relationship and growing faith are why we pray.
                          I understand what you are saying. However, why should we bother to lift up someone in prayer for healing for example. We ask our brothers and sisters to pray with us, to show God our hearts in hopes that He will heal the person. I just don't get what the point is if God's intention was to die anyway.

                          What I'm trying to say is, it feels like we are all puppets. God wants us to pray ask in His name. God also gives us free will. But no matter what choice we make, it's God's call anyway. So I don't get the point of "free will" if the ALL KNOWING GOD already knows what choice we will make. I mean he is God right? He knows our past present and future. So... What's the point? What is free will? Do we make our own choices and does God allow us to fall if we don't go by what He intended? Isn't it contradicting? How do we all have a "purpose" and God has a plan for us, yet we have free will... That is NOT free will. Because it's Gods way or the highway. That is being a puppet.

                          And don't get me wrong, brothers and sisters. I am a Christian simply struggling in my walk with Jesus at the moment. I just need some better understanding so I can remain strong in my faith.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Why do we pray?

                            Originally posted by kgnilla View Post
                            So does that not contradict "free will"?
                            No, it supports free will. God has not decided everything. We have free will to choose and to ask for things but it's best to make sure we let God know we want his will more importantly than what we want and that's because God is wiser than us and knows what the best choice is.
                            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why do we pray?

                              Originally posted by kgnilla View Post
                              God also gives us free will. But no matter what choice we make, it's God's call anyway.
                              People have caused God to change his mind though.

                              Consider King Hezekiah. God told him to get his house in order because he was about to die. Hezekiah begged the Lord to let him live, so He gave him 15 more years.
                              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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