Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

[Jesuslovesus]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

Intro to Spiritual Beings is what I watched from your post. Is that the correct post?

Yes, there is also a good one that works for my position is titled the Son of Man, the throne that they're showing is the Thone to Rule the Kingdom of Heaven (Or Earth The Kingdom under the whole heaven) Spoken of in passages like Daniel 7 and Revelation 11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6cWEcqxhlI&t=24s

[Noeb]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

I don't see kingdom of heaven in those scriptures.

Did I miss something?

I mentioned
-gentiles inherit land

Then you said/posted

-nations
-blood
-corruption
-from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south
-heir of the world
-corruptible
-mortal

All of which pertains to the kingdom of heaven, not the kingdom of God. Earth and all that pertains to it and takes place in it/koh is the location God decided to have a family to love and share (fellowship) with.

[Noeb]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

The kingdom of heaven is like wheat and tares growing up together...

You won't find tares in the kingdom of God, only wheat, but like Jesuslovesus said, we are derailing the thread.

[percho]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

Sounds good to me. The Bible is a Kingdom Book - about a kingdom. Sin split and put that kingdom on hold. God didn't switch to a plan B. Plan A, The Kingdom will be united and remain forever.

Whose, sin, split and put the kingdom on hold?

He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—Rom 5:12

[percho]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

The kingdom of heaven is like wheat and tares growing up together...

You won't find tares in the kingdom of God, only wheat, but like Jesuslovesus said, we are derailing the thread.

Is the kingdom not relative to covenant?

[Jesuslovesus]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

Is the kingdom not relative to covenant?

It is but there won't be any consensus so it won't really help the discussion.

[Noeb]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

Whose, sin, split and put the kingdom on hold?

Adam
.

[Noeb]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

Is the kingdom not relative to covenant?

Sure
.

[ewq1938]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

I personally disagree, it's clear that some things said about the Kingdom of Heaven could never be true about the Kingdom of God. Also, there is a statement said about the Kingdom of God that should never be applied to the Kingdom of Heaven. But this thread is not for this debate.

It is already being debated and I have proven the kingdom of heaven is exactly the same as the kingdom of God. No one has yet to attempt to argue against the evidence nor provide any of their own. As I have shown, the two terms are used interchangeably, even within two consecutive verses. Anything that claims that the two are different is a doctrine of man and not biblically supported.

[Noeb]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

It is already being debated and I have proven the kingdom of heaven is exactly the same as the kingdom of God. No one has yet to attempt to argue against the evidence nor provide any of their own. As I have shown, the two terms are used interchangeably, even within two consecutive verses. Anything that claims that the two are different is a doctrine of man and not biblically supported.

Please! All you have ever done each time this comes up is post verses and at the most say see, they're the same. Proves nothing. Two consecutive verses that contrast heaven/God and hard/impossible cannot be describing two phrases that are interchangeable. Sorry.

[Jesuslovesus]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

It is already being debated and I have proven the kingdom of heaven is exactly the same as the kingdom of God. No one has yet to attempt to argue against the evidence nor provide any of their own. As I have shown, the two terms are used interchangeably, even within two consecutive verses. Anything that claims that the two are different is a doctrine of man and not biblically supported.

People like you always feel like you've proven this or that, personally I think all claims of proving anything is Bogus, until you write a dissertation that is peer-reviewed nothing you present on this boards is proof of anything, the fact that you elevate your personal beliefs to the a level of doctrine "above what a man can produce" just makes you an unrealiable source to me. Believe however you wish I have no plans to dissuade, personally you're one of the few on this boards I personally prefer to avoid discussing things with. You just share you opinions as facts.

[Trivalee]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

Mat_19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are the same thing because they are used interchangeably.

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The kingdom of heaven AND the kingdom of God is at hand

Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Least in the kingdom of heaven AND least in the kingdom of God

Mat_11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Luk_7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.


Mysteries of the kingdom of heaven AND mysteries of the kingdom of God

Mat_13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luk_8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


Suffer little children: the kingdom of heaven AND the kingdom of God

Mat_19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.


Mar_10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Luk_18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

That's what I thought. To claim that the Kingdom of heaven is different from the Kingdom of God doesn't make sense.

[Trivalee]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

how could you post Mat 19:23-34 and think they are the same? Read it and the context. Think about it. Impossible.

Mat 19:23-24
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Would you please help me understand by explaining in your own words why you think they are different? As I asked before, who does the kingdom of heaven belong to?

[Trivalee]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

We have had this Kingdom of Heaven Vs Kingdom of God debate mutiple times and I'm so happy to finally have a resource that i believe can actually explain my position!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBxOZqtGTXE


Please watch this Video.


Us who believe that the Kingdom of God is sperate from the Kingdom of Heaven believe


That the Throne God gave to Adam and Even is the Kingdom OF HEAVEN.


God Never leaves his Throne in the Kingdom of God.


Notice the Goal of Jesus is to Unite both Kingdoms.


Right now NO ONE Rules the Kingdom of Heaven. This Kingdom Will be Given To Jesus at his *Coming*.


Love to hear your thoughts Noeb if you believe this video is a good rss to explain our position.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe it. For me, BOTH kingdoms are synonymous.

[Trivalee]

Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

I personally disagree, it's clear that some things said about the Kingdom of Heaven could never be true about the Kingdom of God. Also, there is a statement said about the Kingdom of God that should never be applied to the Kingdom of Heaven. But this thread is not for this debate.

I admit that this Thread is not for this topic, but you can still enlighten us with some (if any) of the supposed statements that cannot be applied from one kingdom to the other?