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  • Trivalee
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    Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

    Originally posted by Jesuslovesus View Post
    That they are Amil and believe the MK is now, how is that fact "unfortunate"?
    I didn't mention "Amil" and what they believe. What I meant is that if you see those who agree that the New Covenant is not active as all Amil, then it's unfortunate...

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  • Trivalee
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    Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

    Originally posted by Jesuslovesus View Post
    Why do i have to answer any question when you refuse to answer any of mine even when I ask first? Here is a better question was the Old Covenant the Blood of Goats?

    Exodus 24:And Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and half of the blood he threw against the altar. 7Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.” 8And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

    SO according to your doctrine the OT covenant isn't the Book of the Covenant or the 10 commandments it's the "blood of the animals".
    Animal blood and the Law was the strength of the old covenant. In the same way, the blood of Jesus is the cornerstone of the new. Hope this answers your question?

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  • Trivalee
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    Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

    Originally posted by Jesuslovesus View Post
    My case on the NJ doesn't have to be compelling, you're the one whose offering an unorthodox position which is why NO ONE agrees with you. Yet accoding to you your case (that convinced zero people so far) is the one that lines up with scripture and is correct
    Unlike you, I'm not looking for a fan base. I have presented my case as articulate and concise as I can and I'm comfortable with myself.: amen: Whether the likes of you agree with me or not doesn't bother me.

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  • Jesuslovesus
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    Re: Has the New Covenant started or is it still in the future?

    Originally posted by Trivalee View Post
    Ezekiel 37:21-28 refer to the redeemed of Israel after Christ' glories return. But is it a confirmation that it is at that time that the New Covenant will be introduced? Of course not! The Bible is clear that only those of Israel who believe will be saved.
    But isn't it confirmation? Look at Romans 11:and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

    “The deliverer will come from Zion;
    he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
    27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
    when I take away their sins.”

    The When In Verse 27 can only be about 1 Advent, Either He's speaking about the First coming or He's speaking about the Second coming. To me it's clear this passage is speaking about the 2nd Coming when Jesus will turn away godlsesness From Jacob.

    Originally posted by Trivalee View Post
    Since Jesus by his death and blood, became the mediator of the new covenant, it requires that those who will be gathered to dwell in the land to be first saved. And I say this with verity because the OT faithful will also rise to dwell in the land. Jesus said that those who reject him will be in the outer darkness (Luke 13:28) while the Patriarchs and the saved throughout the ages will be in the kingdom. This is where the blood which brought in the new covenant plays the role of forgiveness of sin as the pathway to partake of the land promise.

    Therefore, we can safely conclude that not every one of Israel will enter the kingdom to participate to enjoy the land promise. It is a folly to assume that the NC will only be introduced in the Millennium because those in the kingdom at that time would have assumed immortality.
    Nothing in Zech 12-14 speaks of any of the remnant recieving immortatly at the second coming of Christ. I'll just use Zech 13:8-9, and Zech 14:4-5 these people clearly did not "assume immortality" they're living breathing people.

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  • Pesachpup
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    Originally posted by Trivalee View Post
    Thank you for providing the clarifying passages and I will respond as follows:

    1. God promised an eternal kingdom - a paradise for the faithful in Christ.
    2. This "eternal kingdom" will commence when Christ returns.
    3. However, there is nothing that validates any assumption that the future manifestation of Christ' earthly kingdom is associated with the timescale and implementation of the new covenant.
    4. The scripture is plain that by death, Jesus Christ' blood ratified the NC spoken by the prophets. 1 Cor 15:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
    5. The scripture (Heb 10:17) went further to confirm that the blood of Jesus cleanses us of sins, thus making the faithful qualified to enter into the eternal Kingdom.
    6. While the new covenant is presently operative, access to the kingdom will only be possible when we are made perfect (1 Cor 15:50).
    Thank you for the reply. But consider this. Whoever the scriptures speak of INHERITING the kingdom:

    *[[Mat 25:34]]* Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    *[[1Co 6:9]]* Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    *[[1Co 6:10]]* Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    *[[1Co 15:50]]* Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    *[[Gal 5:21]]* Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    *[[Eph 5:5]]* For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

    Inheriting the kingdom, is in reference to when the kingdom of God shall come and is given only to the righteous. All of us ENTER into the kingdom as unrighteous sinners. No one is worthy to enter the kingdom, so it is clear that inheriting the kingdom refers to our glorification unto immortality. But yet you insist that the inheritance of the covenant is in the here and now. Look again:

    *[[Heb 9:15]] KJV* And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of ETERNAL INHERITANCE.

    We enter the kingdom now and inherit the kingdom when Jesus returns. But we inherit the covenant now? Are you sure this is what you believe?

    Blessings
    The PuP

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