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    What are the works that these scriptures are refering to?

    Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
    Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

    Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
    Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
    Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    Let be known that this is not saying that works will save us, as I am sure we all know how we are saved, but is it enough just to believe, is it enough just to have faith?

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits
    Last edited by Firstfruits; Dec 12th 2008, 01:37 PM.

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    I look at it this way... once you put faith in Jesus Christ you're past the freewill part of life. Now it's obedience or disobedience and once you have "freely" chosen to serve and worship God, He's gonna use you. This "use" of you produces fruit by whatever works He leads you to do. You either do it (obedience) or you don't do it (disobedience).

    If you don't do it... ever... is that faith real?
    Slug1--out

    ~"In the turmoil of any chaos, all it takes is that whisper that is heard like thunder over all the noise and the chaos seems to go away, focus returns and we are comforted in knowing that God has listened to our cry for help."~

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
      What are the works that these scriptures are refering to?

      Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
      Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
      Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
      Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
      Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
      Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

      Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
      Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
      Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

      Let be known that this is not saying that works will save us, as I am sure we all know how we are saved, but is it enough just to believe, is it enough just to have faith?

      God bless you!

      Firstfruits
      Faith is enough if all one is after is eternal salvation for that is a free gift. If one wants the Kingdom though, then they need to step up to the line and run...
      "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain." - 1 Corinthians 9:24
      "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
        Faith is enough if all one is after is eternal salvation for that is a free gift. If one wants the Kingdom though, then they need to step up to the line and run...
        I don't understand.....what are you referring to when you say, "if one wants the kingdom"? Isn't having eternal salvation and having the kingdom the same thing?
        Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from Him.
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        • #5
          Salvation is through repentance and Faith in Jesus Christ alone. The EVIDENCE that you have been truly saved is that you will desire to do the work of the Father. This is part of the doctrine of Regeneration. If there is not evidence of the Holy Spirit in your life (fruit of the Spirit and good works) then you need to test yourself to see if you are truly in the faith. Works themselves, however, do NOTHING towards our salvation (Eph 2:9)

          Paul Washer does a great job of explaining this: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninf...=1021081230111

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Moxie View Post
            I don't understand.....what are you referring to when you say, "if one wants the kingdom"? Isn't having eternal salvation and having the kingdom the same thing?
            I don't believe it to be. Man has labored for about 6,000 years on earth and what comes next is a 1,000 year millennial day of rest as a reward to those faithful servants who have suffered for the cause of Christ. After the 1,000 years is up, then comes the eternal heaven.
            "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6
            "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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            • #7
              Faith is different than belief. Faith, even if it is like unto a mustard seed can still move mountains! Faith is also the source of works, works come and are the natural outgrowth of a striving, developing and growing faith and Galatians' Fruit of the Spirit are a portion of the works at work.
              God's grace is not one size fits all, but rather "tailor made" for each person, an intimate, unique and amazing gift that continues to gift itself in countless ways.

              Ephesians 4:4-7 ESV There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call-- one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each one of us (individually) according to the measure of Christ's gift.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
                Faith is enough if all one is after is eternal salvation for that is a free gift. If one wants the Kingdom though, then they need to step up to the line and run...
                "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain." - 1 Corinthians 9:24
                Hi Rufus,

                Can you explain the following?

                Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

                Thanks,

                Firstfruits

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                • #9
                  We continually remember before our God and Father your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 1:3)

                  Faith without works is dead only because the result of faith is works. If you claim to have faith, but have no works, then your faith did not produce works, making it a dead faith.

                  If you don't labor, but claim to have love, then you love did not prompt labor, resulting in a dead love.

                  If you claim to have hope but do not persevere (endure to the end) you had a false hope that did not inspire you to persevere and endure.

                  All are dead if they are claimed to be had but do not produce the results that Paul states they will produce. As stated by Paul, these three remain, faith, hope, and love and the greatest of these is love.

                  Yuke

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                  • #10
                    Paul covers the issue of works in his letter to the Colossians.

                    Colossians 3

                    16 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
                    17 Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

                    So the works in this is the building up the body of Christ. Teaching and encouraging one another to equip the body for spreading of the gospel message. The works are a physical testimony of our faith in Christ to give thank to the Father for the gift He gave us.
                    I am a Christian man in the Devil's land, spreading the gospel man to man.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
                      Faith without works is dead only because the result of faith is works. If you claim to have faith, but have no works, then your faith did not produce works, making it a dead faith.
                      Yuke
                      Yep!

                      John 15:1-2, 5-6 explains all this as well. Through faith we're a branch on the vine and if we are obedient, God will use us and prune us as we grow and mature in our faith. Giving us greater works for the production of greater fruit to give Him greater glory.

                      However, if a person doesn't do anything... they're not pruned... they're cut off the vine.
                      Slug1--out

                      ~"In the turmoil of any chaos, all it takes is that whisper that is heard like thunder over all the noise and the chaos seems to go away, focus returns and we are comforted in knowing that God has listened to our cry for help."~

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                        Hi Rufus,

                        Can you explain the following?

                        Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

                        Thanks,

                        Firstfruits
                        It means it's a dead faith. One who has faith but no works is an unprofitable servant. Once we're saved we are saved unto good works. If we go do good works then we are profitable and will be rewarded in a positive way. If we choose not to do good works and choose to be unprofitable, then we will be rewarded in a negative way. Regardless of what works we do or do not do, we can not get saved or unsaved by the works that we do, for salvation is by grace through faith alone and not of works.
                        "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
                          It means it's a dead faith. One who has faith but no works is an unprofitable servant. Once we're saved we are saved unto good works. If we go do good works then we are profitable and will be rewarded in a positive way. If we choose not to do good works and choose to be unprofitable, then we will be rewarded in a negative way. Regardless of what works we do or do not do, we can not get saved or unsaved by the works that we do, for salvation is by grace through faith alone and not of works.
                          Thanks Rufus,

                          I did mention in #1 that this was not to say that we are saved by works, but as the following affirms it accompanies salvation.

                          Heb 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

                          God bless you!!!

                          Firstfruits

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                            Thanks Rufus,

                            I did mention in #1 that this was not to say that we are saved by works, but as the following affirms it accompanies salvation.

                            Heb 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

                            God bless you!!!

                            Firstfruits

                            Well said......
                            God's grace is not one size fits all, but rather "tailor made" for each person, an intimate, unique and amazing gift that continues to gift itself in countless ways.

                            Ephesians 4:4-7 ESV There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call-- one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each one of us (individually) according to the measure of Christ's gift.

                            Tea Party Member -- Not a Democrat nor a Republican.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
                              It means it's a dead faith. One who has faith but no works is an unprofitable servant. Once we're saved we are saved unto good works. If we go do good works then we are profitable and will be rewarded in a positive way. If we choose not to do good works and choose to be unprofitable, then we will be rewarded in a negative way. Regardless of what works we do or do not do, we can not get saved or unsaved by the works that we do, for salvation is by grace through faith alone and not of works.
                              This is also speaking of perseverance. We can believe we are saved and fall away. As John said the only ones that belonged to us remain with us. If a person does not remain, he never belonged to us.

                              Faith produces works. Works is a direct result of live faith.

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