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  • #76
    Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

    Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
    Demonic angels can indwell flesh. Thus could not these angels indwelled men whom then had offspring with women?

    Question would be does this then change DNA?

    We do see another indwelling occurring just before Christ returns Rev chapter 9. "as in the days of Noah so shall the coming of the son of man be"
    We also know that spirits can indwell Animals, so maybe you're on to something about the Dinos

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    • #77
      Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

      Originally posted by TMarcum
      Do you also believe the term Son's of God to refer to angels in Job 1:6? "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord"
      it seems you did not read my initial post. please read it

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      • #78
        Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

        Originally posted by grogers View Post
        You are still not getting the point are you. No matter the nature of the adoption, it is still man to who the term sons of God is applied, NEVER to angels. Again, show me just one passage of scripture that definitively calls angels sons of God.
        no, you dont get the point. the point is that we are sons of God through adoption and there was no covenant at the time of the flood. adam is God direct creation jesus is called the 2nd Adam so they are both sons of God but this is not true for anyone else at that time.

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        • #79
          Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

          Originally posted by Follower1977 View Post
          amen. There's not one reference to angels being a son of God, but many referring to men as his sons, even Adam is named Gods son.

          “Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
          **Luke‬ *3:38‬ *KJV‬‬

          “And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
          **Genesis‬ *4:26‬ *KJV‬‬


          “This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
          **Genesis‬ *5:1-5‬ *KJV‬‬

          the sons of God were the first generations of mankind. Those born of Adam who began calling on the name of the lord. To man God has always been calling them his sons , but because of the fall into sin, we could not hear. Note thier incredibly long lives then, and then Genesis six all man is declared to be wicked at heart and the earth is flooded. The earth was led astray and got off course because of sin

          “God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

          They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

          Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.”
          <<<promise of Christ.
          **Psalms‬ *82:1-8‬ *KJV‬‬


          we weren't made like we are now, that's why we need " salvation" " reconciliation" " redemption" God made us free like him, gave us dominion like him, made us in his image....Satan came along and led us into sin, that's not Gods doing, but Satan exploiting our flesh and we chose to follow.....

          Mankind are the sons of God. Remember were " chosen in him before the creation of the world to be sons of God" we meaning mankind. Those who have been given Christ Jesus are " born again" and through the gospel made the sons of God. Jesus is redeeming us, reconciling us to,our former place, again meaning mankind. To be reconciled, means infatically that he came to repair a relationship that existed priorly and was broken.....
          Adam was God direct creations jesus was the 2nd adam. notice it does not say enos which was the son of God, who gave birth to seth which was the son of God. of course Adam is the Son of God he doesnt have any other father.

          it is not true that God has always considered men his son. this is false and i challenged anyone to find a scripture to justify it. it is a fact that men are children of God through adoption because of the covenant God made with Abraham and the covenant he made with jesus.

          also consider the lack of logic in your argument. if the sons of God were the first generation of mankind then so too were the daughters of men. so pretty much your saying the that the verse is saying "men and women from the first generation married and it produced giants"

          the daughter of men in the hebrew is literally daughters of adam so they are also desceneded from adam. so then what was the significance of this verse if we take your understanding of it?

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          • #80
            Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

            Originally posted by equinox View Post
            no, you dont get the point. the point is that we are sons of God through adoption and there was no covenant at the time of the flood. adam is God direct creation jesus is called the 2nd Adam so they are both sons of God but this is not true for anyone else at that time.
            LOL. But they are still men, not angels. You have to allow scripture to define its own use of language. We are not free to attach just any definition to biblical terms that may strike our fancy. This idea of sons of God being angels is based on nothing more that supposition and fueled by the human imagination. It does not come from scripture. If you think it does, then show us. No one has provided a single text that says that sons of God are angels or that angels are called sons of God. NOT ONE PASSAGE!

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            • #81
              Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

              Originally posted by grogers View Post
              LOL. But they are still men, not angels. You have to allow scripture to define its own use of language. We are not free to attach just any definition to biblical terms that may strike our fancy. This idea of sons of God being angels is based on nothing more that supposition and fueled by the human imagination. It does not come from scripture. If you think it does, then show us. No one has provided a single text that says that sons of God are angels or that angels are called sons of God. NOT ONE PASSAGE!
              we actually have. but if you insist that the Sons of God in Job are not angels please explain this verse to us job 38: 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

              5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

              6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

              7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

              please explain if they are not angels then what is the significance of asking job this question and how were they there at the foundation of the earth. im eager to hear your response

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              • #82
                Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                Originally posted by grogers View Post
                LOL. But they are still men, not angels. You have to allow scripture to define its own use of language. We are not free to attach just any definition to biblical terms that may strike our fancy. This idea of sons of God being angels is based on nothing more that supposition and fueled by the human imagination. It does not come from scripture. If you think it does, then show us. No one has provided a single text that says that sons of God are angels or that angels are called sons of God. NOT ONE PASSAGE!
                Why do we need to show a passage? You do understand the literally every single biblical author believed that the Son's of God were Divine beings right? Your claim above about supposition and human imagination include those biblical authors.

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                • #83
                  Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                  Originally posted by TMarcum View Post
                  And again, where in the book does it say "the genes" were corrupted?
                  when it says all flesh on the earth was corrupted and it says noah was perfect in his GENERATION so we know we are talking about Genes WHICH is the literal word used there in the hebrew he was a just man AND he was perfect in his genes so we know this is a biological corruption.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                    Originally posted by TMarcum View Post
                    God spared not the angels that sinned.
                    The assumption your making is, that these angels that sinned came to earth and lived on earth as humans mating with Women. The bible does not support this. We know that God is also God over the angels. But they are not part of human creation nor do they reproduce after their own kind. If so, they would reproduce with other angels, but absolutely not with mankind.

                    Are you saying fallen angels were never created?
                    Of course angels exist. Whether they were created, I don't know that the scriptures mention this. But we do know that they are spirits. And spirits do not have flesh and bone.
                    the bible not only supports this but explicitly states it in plain english on many different occasions. the problem here is that many believers underestimate the power and ability of angels but most of all the underestimate an angels free will. angels have free will this is how a 3rd of them chose to rebel against the most high. Angels are powerful and intelligent entities and they can take physical form. human or other.
                    Hebrews 13:2Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it.

                    we also know that they can interact with the physical world as when God and the 2 angels visited abraham and the scriptures also refer to them as men as well.

                    Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant


                    so the very Lord of Abraham Issac and jacob is called a man in the 1st book of the bible. with two angels who are also referred to as men.

                    then Abraham proceeds to prepare a meal for these spiritual entities

                    Gen 18: 4Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. 6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. 8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                      Originally posted by David Taylor View Post
                      Scripture tells me the Nephilim are men, not demon hybrids.

                      Gen 6:4 There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

                      here are other scriptures telling us the Nephilim are men not demons or hybrid creatures.

                      Numbers 13:33 "But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. 3 And there we saw the giants(Nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants(Nephilim): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. "

                      Those are the only two passages in scripture that use the term Nephilim.

                      There are other passages that mention Giants; and Anak and his children. Let's look at them to be thorough; and to see if those verses are harboring demon/hybrids; or simply human men.

                      Numbers 13:28 "the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. "

                      Deut 1:28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

                      Deut 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.

                      Deut 2:20 " (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;"

                      Deut 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man. And this land, which we possessed at that time, from Aroer, which is by the river Arnon, and half mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites. And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

                      (the kingdoms of Og, Gilead, and Bashan, and Argob, (and later the Philistines) were all from other verses, contextually given as kindgoms of men; no mention of them being demon/hybrid creatures)

                      Deut 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

                      Deut 14;15 "Arba(the father of Anak) was a great man among the Anakims"

                      2 Samuels 21; we see giants again, used to describe the human Philistine warrior people.

                      2 Samuel 21:16 And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah succoured him, and smote the Philistine, and killed him. Then the men of David sware unto him, saying, Thou shalt go no more out with us to battle, that thou quench not the light of Israel. And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant. And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant. And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimeah the brother of David slew him. 2 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.


                      As seen in the context of the 2 passages that mention ‘Nephilim’, and other passages describing giants, the context is always, men, man, people, children, fathers, brothers, etc.

                      Never mentions of angels or demons or hybrids.

                      Let the scriptures tell the careful reader ‘who’ the Nephilim are; or specifically as Moses defined them: “men of a great stature”.
                      When the very God of Abraham visited him in Gen 18 with 2 angels by his side ALL THREE of them are referred to as mere men and they also interact with the world on a physical level. Abraham washes their feet, rest their bodies and prepares a meal for them which they do eat.

                      Gen 18:1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. 6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. 8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                        Originally posted by Jesuslovesus View Post
                        Why do we need to show a passage? You do understand the literally every single biblical author believed that the Son's of God were Divine beings right? Your claim above about supposition and human imagination include those biblical authors.
                        What on earth makes you think the biblical writers believed the sons of God were divine beings? Show me one passage of scripture that supports this claim. We have shown you passage after passage that refer to men as sons of God. We have shown you several passages that call the Nephilim or Anakim men, never angels. Still, you have not shown us one single passage of scripture that says sons of God are angels, or that angels are called sons of God. NOT ONE PASSAGE! What is more, you will not. I have spent more years teaching the Pentateuch than most people have spent reading it. I can assure you, no such passage exists.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                          Originally posted by grogers View Post
                          What on earth makes you think the biblical writers believed the sons of God were divine beings? Show me one passage of scripture that supports this claim. We have shown you passage after passage that refer to men as sons of God. We have shown you several passages that call the Nephilim or Anakim men, never angels. Still, you have not shown us one single passage of scripture that says sons of God are angels, or that angels are called sons of God. NOT ONE PASSAGE! What is more, you will not. I have spent more years teaching the Pentateuch than most people have spent reading it. I can assure you, no such passage exists.
                          I already mentioned that The Septuagint manuscript Codex Alexandrinus reading of Genesis 6:2 renders this phrase as "the angels of God". Isn't that enough?

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                          • #88
                            Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                            Originally posted by Jesuslovesus View Post
                            I already mentioned that The Septuagint manuscript Codex Alexandrinus reading of Genesis 6:2 renders this phrase as "the angels of God". Isn't that enough?
                            I have already addressed that. See post #29.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                              Originally posted by grogers View Post
                              I have already addressed that. See post #29.
                              Saw it, and I don't see it addressed. Nothing you personally say or do is in gonna change the facts brother, your view that the Son's of God are Men, whether in some Sethite view or some other view won't change how the ancients understood the term Bene Elohim. Nothing I've seen you present here shows one use were it doesn't mean divine beings, so claim you showed passage after passage ect and we showed none all you want. The fact is nothing and i mean nothing you've presented here is new or changes the past or will end this debate.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Who were The Sons of God in genesis 6?

                                Originally posted by Jesuslovesus View Post
                                Saw it, and I don't see it addressed. Nothing you personally say or do is in gonna change the facts brother, your view that the Son's of God are Men, whether in some Sethite view or some other view won't change how the ancients understood the term Bene Elohim. Nothing I've seen you present here shows one use were it doesn't mean divine beings, so claim you showed passage after passage ect and we showed none all you want. The fact is nothing and i mean nothing you've presented here is new or changes the past or will end this debate.
                                Then allow me to address it in this manner. The LXX, of which there are many versions, is nothing more than a translation and as such, is subject to human error and human bias, as are all translations. When the translators substituted ἀγγέλων for ben-Elohim, they failed to translate the language of the text. The translation of ben-Elohim is sons of God, not angels. That is a failure of the translators to uphold the integrity of the original language of the text. Some translators of English versions, usually paraphrases versions, have done precisely the same thing. The Hebrew word for angel is Mal-ach and it never appears in any text associated with sons of God, NOT ONE!

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