Is infant baptism from the Bible?

[Slug1]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

The so called great commission is not for our time.

Aristarkos

A, can you divide this verse into your conclusion because right now, this verse refutes your conclusion:

Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Based on your conclusion... this verse refutes and shows you that "time" has not yet ended meaning, we are still to follow Jesus' commandment.

[Pbminimum]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

First you have to say what those things are that the Lord taught them.

Aristarkos

ALL ... Especially including what He had just said.

[Aristarkos]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

A, can you divide this verse into your conclusion because right now, this verse refutes your conclusion:

Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Based on your conclusion... this verse refutes and shows you that "time" has not yet ended meaning, we are still to follow Jesus' commandment.

What does this verse has to do with the « great commission »? And based on the context (Judea and Samaria) the Greek word « ge » should have been translated « land ».

You seem to think that I see time end? I meant time-period now lasting for almost 2000 years.

Aristarkos

[Aristarkos]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

ALL ... Especially including what He had just said.

You mean like Mat. 10:5 « These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not »?

Aristarkos

[Pbminimum]

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You mean like Mat. 10:5 « These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not »?

Aristarkos

No. If He had said go into those cities teaching what I've taught you... Yes.

[Aristarkos]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

No. If He had said go into those cities teaching what I've taught you... Yes.

I don't get what you mean Pb.

Aristarkos

[Pbminimum]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

I don't get what you mean Pb.

Aristarkos

He implicitly said teach them what I taught you, which was making disciples and teaching what He taught them. Those who were taught would do the same - teaching others to teach.

[Aristarkos]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

He implicitly said teach them what I taught you, which was making disciples and teaching what He taught them. Those who were taught would do the same - teaching others to teach.

But that is not what He said: « Teaching them to observe (keep) all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you all days, even unto the end of the aion. Amen », which is something different then to make teachers.

Aristarkos

[Pbminimum]

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But that is not what He said: « Teaching them to observe (keep) all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you all days, even unto the end of the aion. Amen », which is something different then to make teachers.

Aristarkos

You can't see it.. That's ok.

[Pbminimum]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

Example -

Apostle's go out to make disciples and teach what they've been taught to group A.

Group A goes to make disciples to Group B teaching all they've been taught By the Apostle's.

Group B goes to make disciples of Group C teaching all they've been taught by group A.

And on and on.

If this pattern had not been followed the Gospel would never have been spread to the ends of the "land" , "earth" , or anywhere else. It would have stopped with Group A.

Make sense ?

[Pbminimum]

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And add that if they had not taught the disciples to go teach other disciples to make disciples, they would not have been teaching all that they had been taught.

[Aristarkos]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

Example -

Apostle's go out to make disciples and teach what they've been taught to group A.

Group A goes to make disciples to Group B teaching all they've been taught By the Apostle's.

Group B goes to make disciples of Group C teaching all they've been taught by group A.

And on and on.

If this pattern had not been followed the Gospel would never have been spread to the ends of the "land" , "earth" , or anywhere else. It would have stopped with Group A.

Make sense ?

What does this has to do with the so called « great commission »? You're not providing a single Scripture in the above text. Most of the current « church » members are blissfully unaware of what Paul calls the purpose of the aions (Eph. 3:11 Greek text). We are now living in an aion as 2 Cor. 4:4 says « In whom the god of this aion hath blinded the minds of them which believe not ... » and Luke 20:34, 35 « And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this aion marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that aion, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage ». So the next aion starts when the resurrection is there and this happens when the Lord returns.

In the so called « great commission » our Lord says in v. 20 « ... I am with you all days unto the consummation of the aion ». In that time the consummation of the aion was still possible, this is taking place at the return of the Lord. Because of Israels refusal to accept their Messiah this is postponed for almost 2000 years. So some take it to be about the current aion, but it can also be about the aion to come. Then after all Israel will be the kingdom of priests (Exo. 19:6) or as Peter says in 1 Pet. 2:9 « But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light », and this is more like the great commission than most churches want to have it now for themselves.

When this aion comes to its end, the last seven of Daniel comes first, these are the last seven years of this aion, then the gospel of the Kingdom will be heralded — not preached — (Mat. 24:14) to all nations, the time of the antichrist. It is highly unlikely that all those who wander after the beast are going to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, let alone observe all things Christ taught His disciples. So the so called « great commission » is not for the current dispensation (or time) and also not for this aion.

Aristarkos

[Pbminimum]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

That sir IS the Great Commission.

Believe what you will.

[Slug1]

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What does this verse has to do with the « great commission »? And based on the context (Judea and Samaria) the Greek word « ge » should have been translated « land ».

Has everything to do with the execution of the Great Commission. Did Jesus "not" inform the disciples to hang out together while they waited for the coming of the Holy Spirit and that they are NOT to execute any of the Great Commission until AFTER, the Holy Spirit came?

[Aristarkos]

Re: Is infant baptism from the Bible?

Has everything to do with the execution of the Great Commission. Did Jesus "not" inform the disciples to hang out together while they waited for the coming of the Holy Spirit and that they are NOT to execute any of the Great Commission until AFTER, the Holy Spirit came?

The disciples were Jews, Israelite, not gentiles from « the » church. Again, neither you nor Pb come up with a single Scripture all Pb said was:

That sir IS the Great Commission.

Believe what you will.

So again I say, show ONE verse where anybody baptized anyone like Mat. 28:19 says, is that to much to ask?

Aristarkos