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    Greetings all. This subject came up in another thread and I thought it would make a good thread on it's own merit.

    In the congregation I attend, a very close knit group of 50 when everyone shows up, we have a family of 6 that comes nearly every week. (They have to drive an hour and a half each way to get there, so they don't come every week) The parents, we can call them Bob and Jane, 35ish, deny that Yahushua (Jesus) is the Messiah. They do not deny a Messiah, but they deny Jesus as Messiah. Believing instead, that he has yet to come.

    So my question is, would YOU let them attend your church?

    Peace.
    Ken

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    i think its very strange that they are attending a christian church if they dont believe Jesus is the Christ, but they should be allowed to come to your church regardless. if they are preaching their beliefs, no they should not be allowed there. the bible warns us not to accept any teaching other than the gospel thats already been taught. but if they are coming to listen, i would let them, but keep a close eye on them, and pray that God would open their eyes to the truth.

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    • #3
      I would let them attend so long as they understand that they are not to proselytyze in secret. They sound like a Jewish sect of sorts and it seems strange that they would travel 150 mi. to a congregation that teaches fundamentally different than what they hold to.
      I would let them stay under those conditions for who knows what the Holy Spirit and His preached Word will do to listening ears.
      ♪ Each day may Christ become clearer, His Cross dearer, Our Hope nearer. ♫

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kenrank View Post
        The parents, we can call them Bob and Jane, 35ish, deny that Yahushua (Jesus) is the Messiah. They do not deny a Messiah, but they deny Jesus as Messiah. Believing instead, that he has yet to come.

        So my question is, would YOU let them attend your church?
        If I was in charge of a church, I would let them attend, no problem. I would not allow them to take any sort of position in which they would have recognized teaching/leading authority. That means no preaching on church grounds, no leading Bible study groups under church direction, no ministry trips, etc. Basically, anything on behalf of my church in which they would have a chance to teach or lead other people to believe that Jesus is not the Messiah. If they choose to organize a Bible study in their own home and invite my church's members to go to it, I can't stop any of them from doing this. But if I was in the position of head-leader of my church, I wouldn't allow them to be in any situation in which they would be leading or teaching other people who were attending the church.

        Otherwise, it would be perfectly good for them to attend the church, ask questions, listen to the sermons, take part in activities, etc.
        To This Day

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        • #5
          Isn't that part of your churches mission? To share Christ with non-believers? Of course they should be permitted to attend-but like the above poster said, no positions of authority in the church and no membership-that means no voting rights or say in what goes on. Share Christ with them in every way.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kenrank View Post
            Greetings all. This subject came up in another thread and I thought it would make a good thread on it's own merit.

            In the congregation I attend, a very close knit group of 50 when everyone shows up, we have a family of 6 that comes nearly every week. (They have to drive an hour and a half each way to get there, so they don't come every week) The parents, we can call them Bob and Jane, 35ish, deny that Yahushua (Jesus) is the Messiah. They do not deny a Messiah, but they deny Jesus as Messiah. Believing instead, that he has yet to come.

            So my question is, would YOU let them attend your church?

            Peace.
            Ken
            If they are allowed to come, are they aware of the dangers of denying Christ before men?

            Mt 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

            Are they also aware that to deny Christ means to deny God the Father?

            God bless you!

            Firstfruits

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            • #7
              Everyone should be allowed to attend a church. However i feel slightly differently to previous posters.

              Where i agree firstly - is obviously they should be given no position within the churches authority, by this i don't just mean in services and teaching, but also no position in social activities. They may assist in social activities, but never lead anything.

              Also it must be made clear at the begining, that should they be found at any time promoting/ argueing their point of view, to be encouraging others to think in a non Christian way - they will be asked to leave the church for good. They may attend and ask questions, that is all.

              My main difference with those who have replied so far - is i think i would put a time limit on things, with regular reviews between the church leaders and this family. Each time asking why they wish to attend and whether they feel they are growing in knowledge and closer to a 'Christian' understanding.

              My reason for this is that they can never be church members, or even associate members if they are not Christians. If their stated aim is not to learn and genuinely seek Jesus Christ - then they have no place in any church until that is their aim.

              At first a non christian position is OK as like all non believers they are hearing the gospel and mixing with believers - so even if they state they will oppose the churches' position privately let them come and welcome them. For a few weeks or months, a year? - allow them to continue to hold this position telling them, there will come a time when this position is no longer acceptable. For me i think about a year seems fair.

              I doubt if a family with opposing views could keep them to themselves that long. If they try privately promoting their views they will be asked to leave immediatly anyway. If they don't they have a year to show even the slightest interest in learning. It will be a danger having them around and the authority of the church should probably speak to all church members when they are not around warning them of the danger and asking them to imform the leaders should they ever be approached and have opposing views expresses. Also not to socialise outside of church events with leadship members present.

              A very differcult topic and i feel it is good that we are discussing it. I look forward to hearing the views of pastors/ ministers and our senior members/ moderators, anyone in church authority. I certainly feel i may have missed a piece of the puzzle in my answer here. SofTy.
              1 Corinthians 1:12-13 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos: and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

              Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptised in the name of Paul?

              KJV

              May the power of the Spirit of our God unite us. SofTy.

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              • #8
                Has anyone invited them to an intense personal private study of scripture?

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                • #9
                  Christ came for the lost They are lost without Him, draw them to the Light by the revelation in the knowledge of the glory of Yeshua as Messiah
                  The LORD is my Miracle

                  G_d was gracious He has shown favor


                  Hope is a seed
                  God plants in our hearts
                  to remind us
                  there are better things ahead.
                  -Holley Gerth

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                  • #10
                    I would allow them to come. I would also ask them not to preach/teach their beliefs. I would encourage that they ask questions. I would also allow them to express their beliefs in Bible study with the idea that these will be challenged in line with Christian beliefs. How are they supposed to learn if we do not allow them in? There must me a reason they would travel so far to be with you. Maybe they feel the presence of Jesus Christ when they come to your church?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mikebr View Post
                      Has anyone invited them to an intense personal private study of scripture?
                      Great point. Also, I pretty much agree with the variations of the same opinion expressed here. It's important to reach out to non-believers, but in the mean time, they shouldn't be teaching against Jesus.
                      Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.
                      Proverbs 3:5

                      My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you. When your judgements come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness.
                      Isaiah 26:9

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                      • #12
                        A little caution because . . .

                        A little leaven leavens the whole lump. They need to be told the truth. However, if they reject the truth and do not want to accept what the gospel says then they do not need to be part of that particular body. If they do not believe in Christ then they are not part of His body at all, so why would it be a good idea to let them and their beliefs that are of the devil hang around to influence the rest of the church? Especially those who are young in the Lord and do not know the truth very well yet themselves . . .
                        "What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."

                        -- Dr. Neil T. Anderson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by godsgirl View Post
                          Isn't that part of your churches mission? To share Christ with non-believers? Of course they should be permitted to attend-but like the above poster said, no positions of authority in the church and no membership-that means no voting rights or say in what goes on. Share Christ with them in every way.
                          I agree. We are here to share Christ with non believers and to above all Love.
                          I'm Sara
                          "Jesus wept." John 11:35
                          Praying for my sister Mieke.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mikebr View Post
                            Has anyone invited them to an intense personal private study of scripture?
                            I want to respond to all...but I wanted to cover this firrst. Great question Mike. The answer is, no. I brought the same question (worded differently) to our congregation leader, teacher, pastor...whatever word fits best. He said, "no," to which I ask, "why." He smiled and said, "they haven't asked yet."

                            He didn't have to tell me anymore, I understood. The true witness isn't our words, it is our life. That isn't to say we shouldn't speak....but when somebody has not asked a question yet, our answer will do no good. You know what I mean? We have to be seeking in order to find, they are not seeking...though they do seem to be changing, starting to ask some questions, making statements that 6 months ago would not have been made. It has been most enjoyable to watch!!!

                            Peace.
                            Ken

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                            • #15
                              To all....

                              I must say that your responses have been spirit filled scripturally balanced responses. We let them come because quite simply, they want to be there. They do not teach, though we have asked them to open or close for us in prayer...after all, we serve the same God.

                              You might be wondering why they come. Our congregation is made up of Christians who study the Hebrew Roots of our faith. In other words, in general we believe what everyone else does, but we keep the Feasts of God (Passover, Tabernacles, etc.) Sabbath, and a few other practices not generally kept in most Christian churches. Since they believe in following Torah, I guess we are the closest in distance and belief to them. So they come.

                              But I have another question for you all....is not believing in Jesus as Messiah a sin?

                              Peace.
                              Ken

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