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  • Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

    I know that hospitals and groups of hospitals are sold all the time. But what shocked me is that these area hospitals have been sold. But this, to me, is quite disturbing! The 'deal' must be approved by...THE VATICAN~

    One of these hospitals is the one we use because our doctor is on staff and he has been our doctor for probably 20 or 25 years and we like our doctor. This means, I assume, that when we (meaning our family, since some of our children and my husband and myself use the same doctor), but does this mean that when we paid the hospital bill that the Vatican was getting a share of the profits??

    I mean, I know my hospital is called a 'Mercy' hospital and is under the same umbrella as these other catholic hospitals mentioned below. But the sale must be approved by the Vatican? Makes me wonder just how much the vatican is involved in other areas of my life, without me knowing it!

    Quite frankly, I'm glad it will be a 'for profit' hospital. But it bothers me that the vatican will get who knows how much of the $525 million of the sale price.


    I don't like supporting the Vatican! The catholic institution, it seems to me, is a 'for profit' church.

    HMA to acquire Mercy for $525M » Knoxville News Sentinel

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/ju...tter_headlinesFrom this link



    HMA to acquire Mercy for $525M

    Staff Reports

    Friday, July 1, 2011

    Health Management Associates announced this morning that it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire Mercy Health Partners for $525 million.

    The deal, which is subject to review by various authorities including the Vatican, is expected to be completed by Oct. 1.

    Under the agreement, HMA is expected to acquire or lease all seven of Mercy's
    hospitals.
    The hospitals included in the transaction are: 401-bed Mercy Medical Center St. Mary's in Knoxville; 101-bed Mercy Medical Center West in Knoxville; 108-bed Mercy Medical

    Center North in Powell; 58-bed St. Mary's Jefferson Memorial Hospital in Jefferson City; 74-bed Baptist Hospital of Cocke County in Newport; 66-bed St. Mary's Medical Center of Campbell County in LaFollette; and 25-bed St. Mary's Medical Center of Scott County in Oneida.

    Read the full story at the HealthBiz blog.
    My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

    "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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    Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

    If they're Catholic hospitals, I'd expect that. The Vatican/the RCC owns an insane amount of property and real estate worldwide. Think about the land churches are on, schools, etc., etc., etc. Nevermind the art, artifacts, precious metals, jewels, etc. Five hundred million is a wee drop in the bucket to the RCC.

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      Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

      I know you're probably right. But it just shocked me that a real estate sale in the Tennessee Valley would need the approval from the Vatican before closing the deal!

      This was an eye opener to me. Here I am smack in the middle of 'hillbilly country' and to find out the Vatican has holdings here outside catholic churches and schools...well...

      I've reached the conclusion that what China does not own in America, then the Vatican may own the remainder! I guess from now on, I'll feel we are owned either by China or the Vatican!

      I hate not knowing where my hard earned money is going!
      My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

      "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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      • #4
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        I'd tell them both to pound sand....just saying
        Amazzin

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        • #5
          Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

          Originally posted by Diggindeeper View Post
          I know you're probably right. But it just shocked me that a real estate sale in the Tennessee Valley would need the approval from the Vatican before closing the deal!

          This was an eye opener to me. Here I am smack in the middle of 'hillbilly country' and to find out the Vatican has holdings here outside catholic churches and schools...well...

          I've reached the conclusion that what China does not own in America, then the Vatican may own the remainder! I guess from now on, I'll feel we are owned either by China or the Vatican!

          I hate not knowing where my hard earned money is going!
          Same for the Catholic churches and schools in your area. Or, maybe I shouldn't mention, it'll just make it more irksome. Sorry.

          Think of it this way - at least when the hospitals were Catholic they weren't performing abortions. The RCC may have some issues but they're not completely bereft of anything good. Catholic schools are also usually tops education-wise. In my area, there were always kids of all religions in the Catholic schools, just for the superior education.

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            I don't like supporting the Vatican! The catholic institution, it seems to me, is a 'for profit' church.


            Much of down town Manhattan is owned by Trinity Church which is situated near Wall Street. Because the church owns the land, most of those multi-billion dollar industries do not pay property or local taxes. This is the same in most cities and is certainly true of the Evangelical mega-churches.

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              Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

              The vatican??? great, now one must say 10 hail mary's before treatment lest purgatory become mandatory, just saying.
              If Satan can keep us busy swinging our swords at one another, there is no hope of a united attack on the kingdom of darkness. KJV, NIV, ESV or ABCDEFG; there is no time to bicker over such things. We'll devour each other if allowed to continue. We should grab the marching orders written in the way we best understand and get to work.

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                Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

                Yeah... Catholic churches and hospitals etc... sort of like embassy grounds. They are Catholic therefore in control of the Vatican.

                I will say this too just on the side of fairness. For those that have no insurance and yet something major league happens to you... then you'll be very fortunate to have a Catholic hospital nearby. They will treat you and do so with the same zeal as if you were a billionaire with tons of money to give them and that's something I think merits being said. At the end of the day, when they are done... they will work with you on payment even if it is just a silly, small amount that you can afford. As well... much of the bill they will simply write-off so your amount isn't insane. So while it might seem odd... at least when they call it Mercy Hospital... they do at least practice what they call it. It's a bad hit for a community when they lose a Catholic hospital because of that reason. Also goes to show you the state of the Catholic Church in regard to money. They are selling a lot of stuff here and elsewhere in the world because of lack of funds. That's not just a Catholic problem either... many Churches are now feeling the pinch and the pinch is pinching hard.


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                • #9
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                  Same thing is happening, so we were told by nurses anyway, with St Joseph in the Atlanta area, not sure as I have not seen anything more about it, but possibly being purchased by the Mormon church. But now I don't have anymore info.


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                  • #10
                    Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

                    If the Vatican is a part owner in the venture, why SHOULDN'T they have to approve the sale? Wouldn't you want to approve the sale of your own assets?

                    If its run anything like Alexian Brothers Medical Group, it will be a sad loss to your community when that place turns into a for-profit operation. Out here in Chicago, the executives of the hospital are actual Alexian Brothers. They get paid squat, walk around in old robes with rope belts, and they bust their humps to provide the maximum amount of care on a not-for-profit purse strings. Yet even though these men aren't raking in cash like their secular peers, they are beloved by their staff, and their hospitals rank very high for quality of care. There's absolutely nothing in it for these guys except the knowledge that they're helping the sick, just like God told them to.

                    You want to trade not-for-profit care run by men who fear God, for a group of profiteers AND you don't want the Vatican having any say in who they sell their own assets to?

                    Talk about putting prejudices above reason.

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                      Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

                      Originally posted by HisLeast View Post
                      If the Vatican is a part owner in the venture, why SHOULDN'T they have to approve the sale? Wouldn't you want to approve the sale of your own assets?

                      If its run anything like Alexian Brothers Medical Group, it will be a sad loss to your community when that place turns into a for-profit operation. Out here in Chicago, the executives of the hospital are actual Alexian Brothers. They get paid squat, walk around in old robes with rope belts, and they bust their humps to provide the maximum amount of care on a not-for-profit purse strings. Yet even though these men aren't raking in cash like their secular peers, they are beloved by their staff, and their hospitals rank very high for quality of care. There's absolutely nothing in it for these guys except the knowledge that they're helping the sick, just like God told them to.

                      You want to trade not-for-profit care run by men who fear God, for a group of profiteers AND you don't want the Vatican having any say in who they sell their own assets to?

                      Talk about putting prejudices above reason.
                      I don't think she was rallying for someone buying it. Just curious as to the Vatican approval thing.


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                        Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

                        Originally posted by The Mighty Sword View Post
                        The vatican??? great, now one must say 10 hail mary's before treatment lest purgatory become mandatory, just saying.
                        The Vatican is the current stakeholder and now its being sold to a for-profit group. So now you'll have to pay out the nose for your treatment, rather than "say 10 hail mary's".

                        Which is really interesting, because I don't know of a single Catholic NFP hospital that requires its patients to submit to a creed before treatment. Am I just not looking hard enough, or is this one more instance of "I hate Catholics therefore I am justified in providing false testimony"?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

                          Originally posted by ProjectPeter View Post
                          I don't think she was rallying for someone buying it. Just curious as to the Vatican approval thing.
                          Originally posted by Diggindeeper View Post
                          Quite frankly, I'm glad it will be a 'for profit' hospital. But it bothers me that the vatican will get who knows how much of the $525 million of the sale price.
                          Was that a typo?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

                            Originally posted by HisLeast View Post
                            Was that a typo?
                            Probably not... just didn't see that part. And yeah... folks that don't have insurance or poor insurance won't be so happy... no doubt.


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                            • #15
                              Re: Sale of area hospitals in East Tennessee must be APPROVED BY THE VATICAN

                              Originally posted by howszat View Post

                              I don't like supporting the Vatican! The catholic institution, it seems to me, is a 'for profit' church.


                              Much of down town Manhattan is owned by Trinity Church which is situated near Wall Street. Because the church owns the land, most of those multi-billion dollar industries do not pay property or local taxes. This is the same in most cities and is certainly true of the Evangelical mega-churches.
                              Not sure I understand why the problem. Building hospitals to care for the sick is well within what Christians should be doing. We've been doing it for ages. Is it just because its Catholic? Would you have the same problem if it were a Methodist hospital?
                              In Christ,

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