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    Obama Pledges Declaration Of Palestinian State In 2014
    February 26, 2014 | Debbie Smith
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    A senior Palestinian negotiator told WND reporter Aaron Klien that the Palestinian Authority has received a pledge from the Obama administration that by the end of 2014, the administration will issue an official declaration presenting general highlights of a Palestinian state.
    Other sources are also reporting this leaked story.
    According to the negotiator, the administration continues to work toward a preliminary outline of the deal by April. The current plan calls for a phased implementation of increased Palestinian authority during a three to five year period.
    Eastern sections of Jerusalem would come under PA control, although the exact territories have yet to be defined.
    Israel would be defined as “occupiers” in the Jordan Valley territory as well as in The West Bank, the negotiator stated.
    U.S. Secretary of State, John Kerry, is calling for an international administrative mandate to control Holy Sites in east Jerusalem. The mandate could include a coalition of the Vatican and Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
    Speculation over the role of the Vatican increased this week after a secretive meeting took place between the Jerusalem Municipality, The Prime Minister’s Office and senior Catholic officials. The Catholic delegation is reported to have pressed for control over the compound that houses the traditional "Hall of the Last Supper" - with some rumors that such a move could be linked in anticipation of Pope Francis visit to Israel in May.
    It is expected that any proposal for a Palestinian state would be a temporary fix, lasting two to three years to allow for security arrangements to be ironed out between the Israeli’s and the Palestinians.
    Recently, Israel’s Defense Minister Moshe Ya ’alon characterized John Kerry’s pursuit of this deal as an “incomprehensible obsession”. Ya’alon has been harshly critical of Kerry’s” persistent effort’s to force Israel to surrender its land.
    Perhaps Kerry’s “obsession” is due to statements by PA President Mahmoud Abbas suggesting that he will not negotiate past the April 29th deadline, if a framework agreement is not achieved.,
    Currently, major sticking points between the Israeli’s and Palestinians are; borders, Jerusalem, return of Palestinian refugees, IDF presence in the West Bank, and the PA’s refusal to recognize Jewish statehood.
    Nearly 3000 years ago, the prophet Joel under Divine inspiration recorded these words of warning for just such a time. “For behold in those days and at that time, when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations, and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there on account of my people, My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; they have also divided up my land.”
    The Bible is very clear on this matter; the Lord will judge all nations who divide his land, Israel.

    Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/201...34roxPwu3Ml.99

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    Re: Obama Pledges Palestinian State 2014

    Don't worry, the Palestinians won't take "yes" for an answer.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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      Re: Obama Pledges Palestinian State 2014

      Originally posted by Fenris View Post
      Don't worry, the Palestinians won't take "yes" for an answer.
      “For behold in those days and at that time, when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations, and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there on account of my people, My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; they have also divided up my land.”
      The Bible is very clear on this matter; the Lord will judge all nations who divide his land, Israel.

      Evidently that includes the only friend Israel could rely on, USA.

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        Originally posted by bunnymuldare View Post
        Evidently that includes the only friend Israel could rely on, USA.
        Our president is certainly not being a good ally to Israel or indeed any of our allies. He must be putting immense pressure on the Israelis to accept some sort of deal. Still, it will come to nothing. The Palestinians will not say "yes" because they will not end their state of war with Israel and they will ultimately ask for conditions that Israel cannot accept.
        "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

        Isaiah 54

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          Originally posted by Fenris View Post
          Our president is certainly not being a good ally to Israel or indeed any of our allies. He must be putting immense pressure on the Israelis to accept some sort of deal. Still, it will come to nothing. The Palestinians will not say "yes" because they will not end their state of war with Israel and they will ultimately ask for conditions that Israel cannot accept.
          And then the entire blame will be placed at the feet of Israel, and our president will offer some sort of flim flam bologny about the ball being "in Israels court" to fix what he has started.
          "You're gonna make a difference when you lay down your life, and in complete submission to God, choose to die with Him in service to other people."
          "Sometimes it concerns me, you know, the number of people that can quote my songs, and-- or they can quote the songs of several different people, but they can't quote the Scriptures."
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZLFGZ6zpeI
          Rich Mullins

          For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father

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            Re: Obama Pledges Palestinian State 2014

            Is there any other corroboration of this story outside of World Net Daily?
            Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?” For it is not wise to ask such questions.
            Ecc 7:10

            John777 exists to me only in quoted form.


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              Originally posted by ChristianCoffee View Post
              And then the entire blame will be placed at the feet of Israel, and our president will offer some sort of flim flam bologny about the ball being "in Israels court" to fix what he has started.
              Well yah, that's all part of being a "bad ally"

              Originally posted by teddyv View Post
              Is there any other corroboration of this story outside of World Net Daily?
              I don't know that the article is correct or incorrect, only that I'm sure he is putting pressure on Israel.
              "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

              Isaiah 54

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                Originally posted by Fenris View Post
                Don't worry, the Palestinians won't take "yes" for an answer.
                Now that was snarky!

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                  Well, according to the NY Times Obama plans to again get personally involved in the discussions between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Whatever that means.
                  "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

                  Isaiah 54

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                    Re: Obama Pledges Palestinian State 2014

                    Article in Bloomberg today that backs up the OP:
                    When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visits the White House tomorrow, President Barack Obama will tell him that his country could face a bleak future -- one of international isolation and demographic disaster -- if he refuses to endorse a U.S.-drafted framework agreement for peace with the Palestinians. Obama will warn Netanyahu that time is running out for Israel as a Jewish-majority democracy. And the president will make the case that Netanyahu, alone among Israelis, has the strength and political credibility to lead his people away from the precipice.

                    In an hourlong interview Thursday in the Oval Office, Obama, borrowing from the Jewish sage Rabbi Hillel, told me that his message to Netanyahu will be this: “If not now, when? And if not you, Mr. Prime Minister, then who?” He then took a sharper tone, saying that if Netanyahu “does not believe that a peace deal with the Palestinians is the right thing to do for Israel, then he needs to articulate an alternative approach." He added, "It’s hard to come up with one that’s plausible.”
                    So 0bama is essentially making existential threats against Israel if they do not back a US-drafted agreement.

                    It appears the 0bama admin has been crafting an agreement with Mahmoud Abbas, even though Abbas does not speak for all "Palestinians".

                    Why is it that all of the onus is on Israel to accept peace, when the Muslims reject peace and seek the destruction of Israel and the elimination of all Jews on the Arabian Peninsula?

                    Satanic.

                    In the same article, 0bama claims credit for forcing Syria to give up their chemical weapons.

                    http://www.bloombergview.com/article...is-running-out
                    Last edited by RevLogos; Mar 3 2014, 02:50 PM. Reason: added link.
                    In Christ,

                    -- Rev

                    “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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                      JPod eviscerates him-

                      The President’s Prophetic Threats to Israel
                      John Podhoretz

                      In an extraordinary—and I don’t use the word in a complimentary way—interview with Jeffrey Goldberg of Bloomberg, President Obama follows his secretary of state in warning Israel and its leader that a failure to “make peace” now with the Palestinians will have terrible consequences. Israel is “more isolated internationally,” and will become more so; there will be more Palestinians and Israeli Arabs as time goes on, not fewer, so Israel had better move now; and not to move now is to create the conditions for a “permanent Israeli occupation of the West Bank….there comes a point when you cannot manage this anymore.”

                      The wild logical contradictions in his remarks expose the degree to which the American approach in the Kerry peace talks is to haunt Israel with the dire nightmare it will face should the talks fail; Palestinian rejectionism plays almost no role in the Obaman calculus here.

                      The Palestinians, in Obama’s view, do not actually need to make changes; astonishingly, he says, they’re ready for peace. “The Palestinians,” the president says, overlooking every piece of polling data we have about the opinions of the Palestinians, “would still prefer peace. They would still prefer a country of their own that allows them to find a job, send their kids to school, travel overseas, go back and forth to work without feeling as if they are restricted or constrained as a people. And they recognize that Israel is not going anywhere.”

                      Ah. So that 2011 poll that says 60 percent of the Palestinians reject a two-state solution is bunk—a poll whose findings have not been contradicted since. If Palestinians refuse to accept a two-state solution, they do not “recognize that Israel is not going anywhere.” Rather, they are still engaging in a pseudo-national fantasy about Israel’s disappearance or destruction. And they are so eager for peace and coexistence with Israel that they remain the only significant Muslim population that still has a favorable view of suicide bombings, according to a Pew survey.

                      “The voices for peace within the Palestinian community will be stronger with a framework agreement,” the president says. But why would the “voices for peace” need to be “stronger” if they reflect the actual views of the Palestinian people? They should be more than strong enough on their own now. Indeed, if they are so strong, we would not be hearing repeated denunciations of the “framework” process from Palestinian negotiators.

                      The president’s fantasies about the Palestinians also involve Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority. “I think,” he says, “nobody would dispute that whatever disagreements you may have with him, he has proven himself to be somebody who has been committed to nonviolence and diplomatic efforts to resolve this issue.” Nobody would dispute? In 2008, offered a peace deal by then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that involved Abbas actually drawing a new West Bank map giving the Palestinians something between 92 and 95 percent of the territory, Abbas basically fled the table and didn’t return. Granted, he didn’t do what Yasser Arafat did after a similar deal at Camp David in 2000 and begin the second intifada, but this hardly demonstrates a commitment to a diplomatic effort—except for one that fails.

                      So the Palestinians, in the president’s view, are all in. It’s really quite wonderful, in fact: “You’ve got a partner on the other side who is prepared to negotiate seriously, who does not engage in some of the wild rhetoric that so often you see in the Arab world when it comes to Israel, who has shown himself committed to maintaining order within the West Bank and the Palestinian Authority and to cooperate with Israelis around their security concerns — for us to not seize this moment I think would be a great mistake.”

                      Yes, the PA is such a partner for peace that even with negotiations going on, it celebrates acts of violence against Israel on a constant basis, as this report details.

                      Not to mention the little wrinkle that Abbas doesn’t speak in any way for half of the Palestinian polity, the half living under the terrorist group Hamas in Gaza. Ah, but that’s no problem, in the president’s view. “There would still be huge questions about what happens in Gaza,” the president says, “but I actually think Hamas would be greatly damaged by the prospect of real peace.” Really! Unlike Abbas, who has not faced Palestinian voters since 2004, Hamas actually won a free election in the past decade and its unquestioned commitment to Israel’s destruction is clearly shared by the people who live under its aegis. They do not want peace.

                      All of this is folderol, anyway, because the president clearly thinks peace is solely Israel’s to make, and basically, Binyamin Netanyahu should listen to Obama’s mother and rip off the band-aid: “One of the things my mom always used to tell me and I didn’t always observe, but as I get older I agree with — is if there’s something you know you have to do, even if it’s difficult or unpleasant, you might as well just go ahead and do it, because waiting isn’t going to help. When I have a conversation with Bibi, that’s the essence of my conversation: If not now, when? And if not you, Mr. Prime Minister, then who?”

                      Now that’s some chutzpah right there, because of course the president is invoking the words of Hillel, the ancient Jewish sage, as a rhetorical tool against the Israeli prime minister. Of course, Obama leaves out the key words of Hillel’s famed plaint, which are: “If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?” Israel must be for itself, because there is almost no country left in the world that will be for it; while the president says the American commitment to Israel is “rock-solid,” clearly he does not believe it will necessarily be so in the future…nor should it be.

                      Says the president of Netanyahu, “if he does not believe that a peace deal with the Palestinians is the right thing to do for Israel, then he needs to articulate an alternative approach. And as I said before, it’s hard to come up with one that’s plausible.” That’s ridiculous. A peace deal with the Palestinians is of course the right thing to do for Israel. But if there can be no peace deal, or can be no peace deal that does not pose a severe danger to Israel’s survival, then it is not the right thing to do.

                      The only “plausible” thing to do is to challenge the Palestinians to cure themselves of their psychotic political culture and become a rational actor with whom a true peace can be made. Is that a tragedy? It sure is. Sometimes there are tragedies, and they must be faced realistically, not wished away.

                      One thing that cannot be wished away is the president’s insistence on placing the burdens on Israel. This is something else his apologists can no longer wish away.
                      "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

                      Isaiah 54

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                        This is Obama singing the praises of Islam. Big surprise.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE9mZCRX2mg

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                          Netanyahu has warned us that Iran is not just interested in destroying Israel. America is the great Satan, Israel is the little Satan.
                          Is anybody smelling the roses -- yet.

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                            Originally posted by bunnymuldare View Post
                            Netanyahu has warned us that Iran is not just interested in destroying Israel.
                            I think it's more likely that Iran nukes some other country besides Israel.
                            "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

                            Isaiah 54

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                              The Israeli navy has intercepted a major shipment of arms from Iran to Gaza.

                              The army said soldiers carried out a preliminary inspection of the ship and found several dozen advanced Syrian M-302 missiles, with a range of up to 200 kilometers (125 miles) and a payload of up to 170 kilograms (375 pounds). The missiles were hidden in shipping containers also carrying sacks of concrete.

                              The incident took place 1,500 kilometers (930 miles) from Israel’s coast, in the Red Sea, off the Sudanese-Eritrean border. Israel had been tailing the ship for several days before the operation was launched...

                              The vessel had reportedly set sail from Iran ten days ago and was set to reach Sudan tomorrow. From there, the weaponry would have been smuggled into Gaza.

                              But don't worry, peace is at hand! Iran is going to give up it's nukes and the Palestinians are going to make peace with Israel!
                              "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

                              Isaiah 54

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