"Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

[EarlyCall]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

The truth is that law abiding people will not bring a weapon into a "gun free" zone, but a criminal will. That sets up a nice "fish in a barrel" scenario for criminals. In other words, the sign is an invitation to criminals and crazy people to hurt, main and kill in a safe environment.

You know that is true.

As to the idiom, literally a "bare miss" is actually a hit. It wasn't a dig on you, it was just a commentary on the silliness of our language. Like "bald faced lie...."

Anyway, I've been in many situations that were "too close for comfort," the worse one for me was falling out of the sky from 2000 feet in a UH-1 that lost power. But that didn't stop me from climbing aboard the Chinook that picked us up, or any of my subsequent flights. That would be superstition, don't you think?

It is understandable that some people want to be in gun free zones and feel safer in them. But this is based on two things. One is a purely emotional decision based on feelings only. The second does involve some logic at a lower level. They are betting on the odds that the bad guy going into a gun free zone will be somewhere else and not where they are at. And this is reasonable, but both are not the best approach and answer to the problem, and this is what they cannot get past.

Those of us who see the whole picture and do so from a rational perspective and one free of emotion understand good people with a gun make a place safer, and somewhere at some point in time as we all know, the bad guy is going to show up to kill people. When this happens, for those people, the odds of it happening are no longer in question, but the odds of them surviving are greatly in question.

One of the things I've noticed with liberals, generally speaking, is they have their idea, such as gun free zones are good, and they stop there and cannot think beyond it. No argument, no reasoning, no facts, no figures, no logic can sway them otherwise.

Once the liberal reaches this point, you can argue that the rest of us good folk should not be subjected to being defenseless as they wish to be, but in their minds they revert to the odds, so you are wasting your breath.

Now, what does this liberal do when a bad guy goes into a gun free zone and kills a bunch of people? Do they think that if a good guy with a gun had been there, they might have stopped the bad guy? Of course not, because to them, the gun is the problem and not the bad guy. They've just come full circle. Which is why talking with many liberals is a waste of time.

[keck553]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

It is understandable that some people want to be in gun free zones and feel safer in them. But this is based on two things. One is a purely emotional decision based on feelings only. The second does involve some logic at a lower level. They are betting on the odds that the bad guy going into a gun free zone will be somewhere else and not where they are at. And this is reasonable, but both are not the best approach and answer to the problem, and this is what they cannot get past.

Well, playing the odds with that outlook seems a bit selfish to me. Like "well the odds are they'll probably shoot up some other gun free zone." I understand the emotional element even if it is not rational.

Those of us who see the whole picture and do so from a rational perspective and one free of emotion understand good people with a gun make a place safer, and somewhere at some point in time as we all know, the bad guy is going to show up to kill people. When this happens, for those people, the odds of it happening are no longer in question, but the odds of them surviving are greatly in question.

Yeah, when it does happen, the odds for those people are pretty dismal.

One of the things I've noticed with liberals, generally speaking, is they have their idea, such as gun free zones are good, and they stop there and cannot think beyond it. No argument, no reasoning, no facts, no figures, no logic can sway them otherwise.

I think it is rational to discuss ideas and be open to suggestions, but liberals don't have much tolerance these days.

Once the liberal reaches this point, you can argue that the rest of us good folk should not be subjected to being defenseless as they wish to be, but in their minds they revert to the odds, so you are wasting your breath.

It's really difficult to put myself in that mode of thinking. In fact...impossible. Maybe I need to immerse myself in some Timothy Leary?

Now, what does this liberal do when a bad guy goes into a gun free zone and kills a bunch of people? Do they think that if a good guy with a gun had been there, they might have stopped the bad guy? Of course not, because to them, the gun is the problem and not the bad guy. They've just come full circle. Which is why talking with many liberals is a waste of time.

Well that's obvious by the terms they use, like "gun violence." Have you ever seen a gun pick up a human being and become violent with him?

[EarlyCall]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

Well, playing the odds with that outlook seems a bit selfish to me. Like "well the odds are they'll probably shoot up some other gun free zone." I understand the emotional element even if it is not rational.



Yeah, when it does happen, the odds for those people are pretty dismal.



I think it is rational to discuss ideas and be open to suggestions, but liberals don't have much tolerance these days.



It's really difficult to put myself in that mode of thinking. In fact...impossible. Maybe I need to immerse myself in some Timothy Leary?



Well that's obvious by the terms they use, like "gun violence." Have you ever seen a gun pick up a human being and become violent with him?

It is very selfish when a liberal wants good people to be disarmed, defenseless and helpless against bad people when shopping or eating in restaurants. They lie when they say they care for others, but the truth is they want you unarmed and helpless like they are because they are playing the odds, and they want you to play them too.

When such a liberal says they care, they lie. They care only about themselves because they want to feel safer in a place where no one is armed. Of course they mean no good people are armed because the sign does not stop a bad guy from coming in with a gun and killing people.

Years ago a woman in Texas left her legally carried gun in her car because it was against the law then for her to take it into the restaurant. A little later she watched helplessly as a bad guy executed both her parents and others. Liberals who want people to leave their guns in their cars don't care about other people dying; they care only about themselves. And they play the odds hoping it will be you that dies and not them.

A person can argue with such people all they want, but their opinion, their agenda is their only concern - not people. Such people are a complete waste of time. Many are simply intellectually incapable of understanding the issue on a scale greater than their simple mantra of no guns, and some, while certainly intellectually capable still only care for the agenda but not people. In almost all cases such people are a waste of time and furthermore, they do not deserve our time.

[dan]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

We all know that the gun issue is a liberal agenda. So once they get everyone's gun, then what? Is that it?

I kind of doubt that's all there is to the agenda. I mean, Hitler took away the Jews' guns,and look what happened to them. No wonder they say "never again."

It is assumed, by some conspiracy theorists, that because Bill and Hillary are associated with Russia (Bill went to Russia to protest the Vietnam War), and Obama is associated with Russia through his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, that a series of moves, after the guns are gone, would start a Purge Of Capitalists inside the US that would be blamed on the standard Communist excuses for murder: Crime, medical mistakes, accidents, recreational drug overdoses, etc. The deaths of leaders of every category would position a communist pawn to take over the leadership area that was vacated, until the country is considered weak enough for an invasion by military forces of communist countries worldwide.

If one were to look at the current countries that are being subverted by communism: South Africa, Venezuela, and Zimbabwe, these things are happening now.

"The Red Terror was practical implementation of dictatorship of the proletariat as explained by Lenin in The State and Revolution (1917)[9] as well as an effort by the Bolsheviks to eliminate real and imaginary counter-revolutionaries who belonged to the former "ruling classes". Martin Latsis, chief of the Ukrainian Cheka, explained in the newspaper Red Terror:

Do not look in the file of incriminating evidence to see whether or not the accused rose up against the Soviets with arms or words. Ask him instead to which class he belongs, what is his background, his education, his profession. These are the questions that will determine the fate of the accused. That is the meaning and essence of the Red Terror.
— Martin Latsis, Red Terror[10]

The bitter struggle was described succinctly from the Bolshevik point of view by Grigory Zinoviev in mid-September 1918:

To overcome our enemies we must have our own socialist militarism. We must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet Russia's population. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them. They must be annihilated.
— Grigory Zinoviev, 1918[11]" From - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

I was told once by a man that was in Military Intelligence that any country that was currently in possession of a murder rate that was over 15/100,000 was in the throws of an outrageous crime wave, or, more likely, in the process of being overthrown and purged by communists.

Then there is the FBI's undercover in the Weather Underground, Larry Grathwohl:

"Grathwohl recalled a meeting he attended with 25 leaders of the Weather Underground. At this strategy session, he pressed his comrades for some specifics as to how they planned to manage the massive social-political American reengineering project they all desired. Grathwohl recounted their response:

I brought up the subject of what’s going to happen after we take over the government. You know, [once] we become responsible for administering, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people?

The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese, and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the “counter-revolution.” And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the [American] Southwest, where we would take all of the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be.

I asked, “Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can’t re-educate, that are diehard capitalists?” And the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they’d have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say “eliminate,” I mean kill 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious." - http://spectator.org/articles/55174/...nd-infiltrator

[whitetiger]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

I was hit by a pickup once, so I don't want cars and trucks on the same road as me, and I don't care if they have a legal drivers license or not.

sure, I'm forgetting to mention the millions of cars I've passed and have passed me on the roads over the years without incident, but for me, it happened once and that's enough.

Make sense?

Only to a liberal.

[dan]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

1. The loss of a childhood friend who lost his life when his father accidently shot him.
2. Experiencing in court a inmate disarming a officer and escaping with his gun.
3. A deputy's gun going off going through the JPs office wall barely missing him

Just personal experiences......

So, 66% of your experiences have no loss of life?

Funny thing, 75% of my experiences have no loss of life except maybe the life of the perp:

A Jefferson City, MO., couple were in their home when a man --with an eight-inch knife in one hand and a knife sharpener in the other-- entered their residence through an unlocked door. The intruder started yelling and charged at the husband, who fell to the floor when the buglar took a swipe at him. The homeowner's wife heard the ruckus and fled the home to get help. The distraction she provided by running through the room to leave gave her husband time to take cover under an air hockey table. In a fit of fury, the home invader tried to stab the husband, thrusting his knife through the hockey table and breaking the blade. The homeowner scooted away and ran to his bedroom, locking the door behind him. As the madman tried to break through the bedroom door with the knife sharpener, the husband retrieved his handgun. When the intruder entered the bedroom, the resident aimed and held the bad-guy at gunpoint until police arrived. (News Tribune, Jefferson City, Mo., 101915)

Just weeks after a Detroit resident was approved for concealed carry, the man protected himself during an attempted mugging. Three teens, at least one with a gun, approched him and demanded money. The victim handed over $220. While the teens were momentarily distracted by counting the money, the victim drew his own gun and fired. One teen was shot in the leg; another was shot in the chest; the third ran away. The two injured pair showed up at Sinai Grace Hospital, claiming they were held up and shot while they were walking down the street. The case has been handed over to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office. No charges will be brought against the armed citizen. (Fox 2 Detroit, Detroit, Mich., 101915)

In Meridian, Miss., a woman was caught off-guard when a man kicked in her front door while she was upstairs. The resident saw a stranger standing in her living room, retrieved her handgun and shot the intruder three times in the chest. He ran from the house but collapsed and died outside. Meridian Police Department Detective Dareall Thompson said the resident was acting within her rights under the Mississippi Castle Doctine. "Once they are inside, A, they are trying to do bokily harm, or, B, they are trying to take property from you," Thompson said. (The Meridian Star, Meridian, Miss., 102015)

Luck ran out for a thief who was involved in a spree of car burglaries in Fayetteeville, Ark. One would-be victim held the suspect at gunpoint after the armed citizen caught the bad-guy in the act of breaking into his car. The suspect later confessed to multiple vehicle break-ins in the area. (KNWA, Fayetteville, Ark., 090715)

Two women and two children were lucky an armed citizen was around when a man tried to carjack them at a Sunoco Gas Station. The first victim had just made a purchase and was getting back into her car when the suspect opened her door and started yelling and trying to pull her out of the vehicle. The woman fought back and yelled for someone to call 911. The suspect then walked to the street, where traffic was stopped. He stood in front of a car, which had a woman and two children in it, yelling, "Help, help, someone is trying to kill me." The suspect opened the driver's door and pulled the woman out by her hair. The automobile, with the children still inside, lurched forward and rolled until it struck a gasoline pump island. The commotion got the attention of a passerby, who pulled his licensed handgun and held the suspect at gunpoint. The accused carjacker faces multiple charges. (Times Leader, Wilkes-Barre, Pa., 100615)

An armed friend of a Stafford County homeowner thwarted a burglary. According to the Stafford County Sheriff's Office, the friend stopped by to check on a treestand that he and the homeowner use for hunting. He saw copper pipes piled outside of a broken window. He then saw two individuals going through the homeowner's belongings in the basement. He approached the two thugs asn held them at gunpoint while he called 911. By the time the Sheriff arrived, two other friends of the homeowner had joined the effort to keep the criminals in check. The suspects face various charges. No charges have been brought against the homeowner's friends. (The Free Lanc-Star, Fredricksburg, Va., 082815)

Early one morning at Cafe' Azzurri, in Waterbury, Conn., while eight to 10 people were inside, a man armed with a handgun came inside and tried to rob everyone. One of the patrons, who had a legally registered handgun fatally shot the robber in response. The armed citizen remained at the crime scene until police arrived. Police said no charges have been brought against him. (NBC Conneticut, West Hartford, Conn., 101115)

Don't shoot them?

Sorry, in order to save the life of the innocent we must, sometimes, shoot the perp.

[James_Roberts]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

In her opening statement on Justice, Judge Jeanine Pirro criticized President Obama for going on an "anti-Second Amendment crusade" while the nation is under threat from terrorist groups. Pirro said that Obama's planned executive action on gun control will leave Americans "up a creek not just without a paddle, but without a gun as well."
"At a time when we face the biggest threat we have ever confronted, our commander-in-chief is on an anti-Second Amendment crusade to take away our guns," she said.

Full article here : http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/0...oot-terrorists

President Obama and the Democratic Party want us more dependent on government, less reliant on our own abilities to defend and feed ourselves. They want control of every facet of our lives.

[James_Roberts]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

To stand by and do nothing is not Biblical, heartless and cowardly.

[dan]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

To stand by and do nothing is not Biblical, heartless and cowardly.

Exactly!

So, buy the sword:

LK 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Protect your home:

MT 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Make Peace, by being armed:

LK 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Kill murderers:

REV 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

And, when we discover the ID of the Whore Of Babylon, make war with her:

REV 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

[James_Roberts]

Re: "Stop blaming guns, start shooting terrorists" : Pirro

Exactly!

So, buy the sword:

LK 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Protect your home:

MT 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Make Peace, by being armed:

LK 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Kill murderers:

REV 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

And, when we discover the ID of the Whore Of Babylon, make war with her:

REV 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Well said and Biblically supported.