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  • Disciple-Dave
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal
    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...?noredirect=on

    Does this show Trump is not a serious about cracking down on illegal immigration as he would have us believe?
    i have been saying this, from the very first moment i heard about a wall being built.

    All we had to do is come up with one new Law, and no illegal immigrants would ever come into the United States.
    LAW = Any person who hires an illegal immigrant will be confined in prison for a minimum of 10 years.
    Create a LAW that said that, and there would be no need to spend billions of dollars on a Wall.

    Here's the problem though, it's all about the MONEY. An American company hires an illegal immigrant for $5.00 an hour. The Government comes against that company. The Company then says, i will give you $4.00 for every hour an illegal immigrant works here. So said government allows it, and turns a blind eye to the hiring of illegal immigrants. And justifies their doing that, with new Roads for people, with higher pay for teachers and police officers, building new parks, improving their City in this or that way.
    So this company pays $9.00 an hour for that illegal immigrant, but would have to pay an American $16.00 an hour plus benefits, heath insurance, pension, sick days, vacation days, OH and the big one OVERTIME. So this company would rather hire illegal immigrants, because they are more lucrative to the company and the Government that secretly backs them. So what do they do, they tell those illegal immigrants working in their company, if you can get your family and friends here, I will hire them, they will have a job here. So then these illegal immigrants call their fellow friends and family in Mexico, saying "If you can get here, there is a place and JOB waiting for you"

    So they try to come across the border in prospects for a job they were told they would have. So put a STOP to the hiring of them, then there would be no need for a person to come across the border illegally. What, do you think they want to come into this country to be Homeless? No, they come into this country because they were told by an illegal immigrant in this country, "Get here, you have a job"

    A Wall is merely a facade to cover up all the dirty politics that goes on by the hiring of illegal immigrants. Hiring illegal immigrants is VERY lucrative business, and therefore has not, nor will it stop being done, until there is a simple Law put in place to imprison those who hire illegal immigrants, which i think will NEVER happen. A Wall is moot. Because those American Companies that hire illegal immigrants and the governments that secretly back those companies are going to find a way to continue working illegal immigrants, so maybe catapulting them over the wall will become a thing. Or maybe flying seems more likely.

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  • Jp101
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    If Trump had to Pay a LIVING WAGE to an American Worker, Trump would declare BANKRUPTCY, saying he can not Pay a decent wage for a days work.

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  • Jp101
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    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...?noredirect=on

    Does this show Trump is not a serious about cracking down on illegal immigration as he would have us believe?
    Trump HAS Illegal employees

    The are the bread and butter of his 5 time failed Hotel business.

    A better question would be what if Trump had to pay a Living Wage to an American worker?

    He would declare Bankruptcy, AGAIN..

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  • JWNash
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    I do not even know what to say!!! It's just unbelievable these days, it's like helping to write an essay. I can’t even imagine how this could happen.

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  • David ben Jesse
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    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    Kind of surprised nobody responded to this after 239 views.
    What about the Americans, aren't they all illegal?

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  • BrianW
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    Originally posted by rom826 View Post

    i'm just wondering what making e-verify mandatory would accomplish if the executive branch of the government is not willing to enforce it. There are already laws against employers hiring illegals which are not enforced. Even if it were made mandatory most employers would just ignore the law as they do today.
    I've done a bit of reading up on this recently. E-verify across all states is just a 1st step measure. As the laws are written now it's incredibly hard to prove intent on the employers part unless they use e-verify. Even those who do use e-verify and hire a bunch of illegals anyway can say they checked the documentation ( stolen Social Security numbers etc ) and they passed through the system anyway so they are not liable.
    E-verify and how it's written and implemented itself needs to be updated and hard line stances and investigations of those selling and or supplying the faked documents ( many times the employers themselves) need to be a higher priority.

    As it stands now even states with e-verify have a hard time prosecuting employers because intent is a very hard thing to prove in court.

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  • rom826
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    Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal



    https://www.govdocs.com/mandatory-e-...dget-proposal/

    Just an FYI.

    From the article:
    i'm just wondering what making e-verify mandatory would accomplish if the executive branch of the government is not willing to enforce it. There are already laws against employers hiring illegals which are not enforced. Even if it were made mandatory most employers would just ignore the law as they do today.

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  • rom826
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    Originally posted by BrianW View Post
    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal



    I missed this earlier. I wasn't trying to evade the issue or be obnoxious towards you at all and I apologize if it seems I was or am. The post with the Babylon Bee link wasn't directed towards you and the Yoda meme was my poor attempt at a joke.
    No problem......

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  • BrianW
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    So now you're not only evading the issue but being obnoxious as hell about it as well.
    I missed this earlier. I wasn't trying to evade the issue or be obnoxious towards you at all and I apologize if it seems I was or am. The post with the Babylon Bee link wasn't directed towards you and the Yoda meme was my poor attempt at a joke.

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  • rom826
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
    And another very good article, from 2018, about Everify and why it is not the law of the land.

    https://www.immigrationreform.com/20...c-of-e-verify/



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    Thank you so very much Brother Mark for dealing with the issue of the original post. Not sure why, but so many of the posters here don't want do deal with it. 60 posts in this thread and almost nobody wants to deal with the original post. I do want to respond to your post but I am pressed for time. Please be patient with me. I might not have time to get to it today.

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  • BrianW
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
    I hadn't heard about this. Good find Mark!

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  • BrianW
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    Sure do. There have already been laws passed by congress dealing with employers who hire illegals. It seems like every one of your posts in this thread you are trying to evade to issue and topic of the thread. Why is that?
    Not even close. In my first reply I said it was a good question.

    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    When did a federal judge has blocked him from enforcing immigration law toward employers who hire illegals?
    I neither claimed nor implied that one had.

    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    What does that have to do with enforcing immigration law toward employers who hire illegals.
    Hmm...see my previous post.

    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    This question makes no sense to me.
    I'll attempt to clarify.

    When discussing things such as this it's reasonable to assume that the person you're in a discussion with will have at least attempted to somewhat educate themselves on it. Especially when the person in question has made such bold claims as "Trump is a phony on illegal immigration" and "Obama was pro- illegal immigration."
    Since I assumed you had some knowledge of the subjects in question in order to make such bold claims I posed the questions.

    Originally posted by rom826 View Post
    I guess I could say the same to you since in every one of your posts you evade the topic of this thread.
    Context. Context. Context. Other things were brought up during the discussion. As I previously wrote - the thread posed a good question. One I don't have an answer for.
    Other points were brought up and I attempted to discuss them. You call it avoidance and I call it the natural flow of events and the nature of discussions since time immemorial.

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  • rom826
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    Originally posted by BrianW View Post
    Well...I guess...

    So now you're not only evading the issue but being obnoxious about it as well.

    Originally posted by BrianW View Post
    Well...I guess...

    So now you're not only evading the issue but being obnoxious about it as well.
    Last edited by Sojourner; Nov 18 2019, 03:11 PM.

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  • Brother Mark
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    And another very good article, from 2018, about Everify and why it is not the law of the land.

    https://www.immigrationreform.com/20...c-of-e-verify/

    There are two major reasons that an effective E-Verify system is not the law of the land. The first is that there is a broad network of employer organizations that oppose the system because it would deprive them of cheap exploitable illegal alien labor. Those organizations have influence not just with libertarians but also with politicians. The other reason is that any meaningful immigration reform has long been stymied by the logjam between the Democrats who insist on a full-scale amnesty for all illegal aliens as part of any reform legislation and Republicans who oppose an amnesty.


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  • rom826
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    Re: Why is the Trump administration not charging employers who knowingly hire illegal

    Originally posted by dailyprayerwarrior View Post
    My beliefs have already been posted here. There is a plan in play. One fire will be put out, then the next, and the next, etc. It will be dealt with.
    Thank you for dealing with the topic of the original post. Almost nobody else in this thread has. My problem is I do not believe he will ever deal with. I do not believe he really has the will to really deal with illegal immigration as it should be dealt with.The excuse that the democrats are stopping him from enforcing immigration law toward employers who hire illegals is lame to me. Neither dems in congress nor liberal judges are stopping him from doing so. A big part of the reason I voted for Trump is because I thought he would be much tougher than the previous administration on illegal immigration. As of now I feel like the Kurds, stabbed in the back. Unless I see something substantial from him before the election on the immigration front, He will not get my vote.

    Originally posted by dailyprayerwarrior View Post
    My beliefs have already been posted here. There is a plan in play. One fire will be put out, then the next, and the next, etc. It will be dealt with.
    Thank you for dealing with the topic of the original post. Almost nobody else in this thread has. My problem is I do not believe he will ever deal with. I do not believe he really has the will to really deal with illegal immigration as it should be dealt with.The excuse that the democrats are stopping him from enforcing immigration law toward employers who hire illegals is lame to me. Neither dems in congress nor liberal judges are stopping him from doing so. A big part of the reason I voted for Trump is because I thought he would be much tougher than the previous administration on illegal immigration. As of now I feel like the Kurds, stabbed in the back. Unless I see something substantial from him before the election on the immigration front, He will not get my vote.

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