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    The antichrist will directly control 3 of the ten regions of earth, I suspect the west, and especially America, will be one of those 3 regions. This can happen easily if America is weakened and starts compromising on policy. If america becomes more socialist and less powerful militarily America becomes vulnerable to outside forces, and already we have seen a weakening of debt and capitalistic principles by America because of crises.

    The antichrist can take over if America is weaker and more interdependent on the world. Some say that the war with Islam is to weaken America. America's debt weakens America. The current supporting of "business" with hard earned American tax dollars is so against the principles of capitalism, capitalism says let the weak companies take a fall, and now they are being propped up with more American debt. And now there are plans to weaken your military, listen to the following link.

    http://nukegingrich.wordpress.com/20...stroy-america/

    We needn't worry , because we are not of this world , but part of an eternal kingdom. I am just encouraging you to watch your backs as the American electorate, and not to just accept what we are told as wisdom just because it is spoken so well.
    Last edited by DurbanDude; Jan 30th 2009, 05:58 AM. Reason: trying to steer clear of political fire

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    I was hoping to get 100 views on this thread, just missed it! Any comments on the video link and the plan to disarm the USA?

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    • #3
      If we truly are in the end times, why does it matter is the USA is disarmed? Isn't our hope suppose to rest in the Lord? Not a country, not a government, not a person nor even our family and friends. It is up to Jehovah to allow these unfortunate events to play out and to make sure that all things are accomplished. My boss said that the USA is like the muslim countries, "they both have religious nuts that cling to their guns." This is what we, as the Church, need to fight against. We claim to be a peaceful religion, for lack of a better word, but yet we care more about what politicians and celebrities say on TV than we do for our neighbors in their time of need.

      Can we just trust God that He will provide for us no matter what?

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      • #4
        I don't know if we are at the end of the end times, since the last hour has been here since the Church began (1 John 2:18). But as for the end of America as we know it, that could be possible. We are at a drunken state in our country. There are many things to get negative about, but I have decided here lately that as a Christian there are too many things to rejoice about that I am not going to let the decay of our nation determine my happiness. Don't get me wrong, I love America, but I cannot control the Free Will of the people, and they seem to have spoken and decided what kind of country they want.

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        • #5
          Some people believe the main Antichrist will be a middle-eastern figure (2 Thessalonians 2:4).
          And by that time America will already have been destroyed (Rev17 and Rev18)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mfowler12 View Post
            If we truly are in the end times, why does it matter is the USA is disarmed? Isn't our hope suppose to rest in the Lord? Not a country, not a government, not a person nor even our family and friends. It is up to Jehovah to allow these unfortunate events to play out and to make sure that all things are accomplished. My boss said that the USA is like the muslim countries, "they both have religious nuts that cling to their guns." This is what we, as the Church, need to fight against. We claim to be a peaceful religion, for lack of a better word, but yet we care more about what politicians and celebrities say on TV than we do for our neighbors in their time of need.

            Can we just trust God that He will provide for us no matter what?
            Perfectly true.

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            • #7
              But...

              Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
              We needn't worry , because we are not of this world , but part of an eternal kingdom. I am just encouraging you to watch your backs as the American electorate, and not to just accept what we are told as wisdom just because it is spoken so well.
              ...We have the power to support or weaken the influences on this world.

              MT 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

              So, let us seek out the offenses against God and work to weaken them.
              Last edited by dan; Feb 4th 2009, 01:24 PM. Reason: content
              JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
              JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dan View Post
                ...We have the power to support or weaken the influences on this world.

                MT 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
                You guys are confusing me!

                What I believe is that as Christians , if we can have a good influence politically then why not? To be an influence to have a strong God-fearing government is a good thing. I also don't like the thought of being a pawn, where my opinions are swayed by the media, I like to keep my eyes open, which is also a good thing. At the moment the American media is saying to Christians that not only is Islam a threat, Islam is most likely the beast empire that will destroy Christians. The fear backlash is that Christians do nothing to prevent the war, because they are implicitly behind it, scared that the Islam beast will destroy them in their lifetime. By their silence they support the war. So American Christians are being encouraged to support the war against Islam and at the same time the military is being weakened by politicians. Net result, even large stable countries can be destabilised by neverending crises and difficult wars.

                So I agree with mfowler12, we mustn't be drawn into supporting wars, yet I agree with Dan, we must support good influences in the world, in this way forces like Nazism can be held back when there are some good strong governments around. I'm from Africa, but would personally be more comfortable with an America with a strong military that refused to get involved with world affairs. In this way those powers that finance both sides of a war to weaken countries would soon find a political answer to the Islamic threat, they don't need America to stop Islam, they have enough influence there already, but they need Islam to weaken America.

                But nothing wrong with a head in the sand approach to politics, and a concentration on spreading the gospel. This is the priority that draws the end closer.

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                • #9
                  Sorry.

                  Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
                  You guys are confusing me!

                  The fear backlash is that Christians do nothing to prevent the war, because they are implicitly behind it, scared that the Islam beast will destroy them in their lifetime. By their silence they support the war. So American Christians are being encouraged to support the war against Islam and at the same time the military is being weakened by politicians. Net result, even large stable countries can be destabilised by neverending crises and difficult wars.

                  But nothing wrong with a head in the sand approach to politics, and a concentration on spreading the gospel. This is the priority that draws the end closer.
                  I don't mean to confuse you. It is my opinion that some wars are good. Especially, wars that destroy tyranny, oppression, and genocide.

                  GW freed 50 million people to be brought to Christ. They were not allowed to hear the Gospel until they were free. Good War!

                  Now, we retreat and send them back to Islam without any chance of keeping the opportunity to hear the Gospel? No.
                  JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
                  JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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                  • #10
                    At the moment the American media is saying to Christians that not only is Islam a threat, Islam is most likely the beast empire that will destroy Christians.
                    What American media channel are you watching? Most media channels here in America try to tell us that Islam is a victim of the evil Christians.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rom826 View Post
                      What American media channel are you watching? Most media channels here in America try to tell us that Islam is a victim of the evil Christians.
                      I am talking about the Christian media, and Christian opinion. The bible tells us that Islamic countries will ATTACK the antichrist at the end, yet current thinking is that Islam WILL BE the antichrist.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
                        I am talking about the Christian media, and Christian opinion. The bible tells us that Islamic countries will ATTACK the antichrist at the end, yet current thinking is that Islam WILL BE the antichrist.
                        Where does it say that Islamic countries will attack the anti-christ?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rom826 View Post
                          Where does it say that Islamic countries will attack the anti-christ?
                          All over the bible.

                          You see, we are told repeatedly that the antichrist controls the whole earth, we also know that he comes to power in Jerusalem. Daniel 11 says he plants his tents in Israel. Daniel 11 says he is furious about reports to the east and the north of Israel.

                          There is nothing to say that the antichrist never owns Israel, and everything indicates that he rules from Israel and has control over the whole earth. So just by nature of this fact , that the antichrist already owns the whole earth, means that the final attack on Israel is a rebellion against the antichrist. What is more, the bible says that he is alarmed by the reports to the north and east (Daniel 11) . Now why would he be alarmed by his own armies? These are the rebel hordes of Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq. The countries of this attack on Israel at the end are sometimes described, and are currently Islamic countries.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dan View Post
                            I don't mean to confuse you. It is my opinion that some wars are good. Especially, wars that destroy tyranny, oppression, and genocide.

                            GW freed 50 million people to be brought to Christ. They were not allowed to hear the Gospel until they were free. Good War!

                            Now, we retreat and send them back to Islam without any chance of keeping the opportunity to hear the Gospel? No.
                            Yes, but its easy to always assume you are on the good side, but the bible is clear that the beast wants to trample and divide the earth, and out of the ruins will the ten empires arise (Daniel 2 and Daniel 7). So it just may be , that both sides are being simultaneously stirred up with religious indoctrination that the other side is their great enemy, in this way arising powers and old powers are kept week and at war, while the earth's economy is being trampled on. The only satisfied are the few hidden elite, who finance both sides of the wars, achieving their plans while simultaneously making money from it.

                            So i am in support of good wars, but am sceptical that the war against Islam is a good war. Two superpowers are being incited against eachother, simple as that. I have no proof, but that is what it looks like to me.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rom826 View Post
                              Where does it say that Islamic countries will attack the anti-christ?
                              ....hey rom, This verse works for me Dan.11:40 "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at >>>>"HIM"<<<< and the king of the north shall come against>>>>"HIM"<<<< like a whirlwind,with chariots, and with horsemen,and with many ships;and "HE" shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over............. What I see here is "THREE DISTINCT & SEPERATE" fighting combatants in this war campain.The king of the south attacking 1st.(mentioned 1st. ?)The king of the north attacking 2nd.(mentioned 2nd.?)....&...."HIM".....They push at>>>>"HIM"<<<< The king of the north is bringin' the heavy warfare material & seems to be the larger force as well they should be because they are in effect Ezekiels ...GOG_MAGOG line up of "MUSLIM" nations.....The king of the south & north are allies as they push & come against >>>>>"HIM<<<< WELL NOW, just who is this >>>>"HIM"<<<<<This little monkey in the middle....? LOL...I am not certain...but perhaps could this "HIM" be the same "HIM" we see in verse 30 where we read;"For the ships of chittim shall come against "HIM" and therefore he shall be"grieved" ,and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant;so shall he do;he shall even return and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. Enter combatant #1 The ships of chittim....why #1,because this verse preceeds v.40...So now just who are these rascal's....? Mentioned in Num.24:24 & we've all seen the description of the islands of the sea & beyond,but it also has been the ancient name for Cyprus & if I can be more specific,Cyprus is the Mediterranean warm water port for not only Her magesty's royal navy, but also the U.S. 6TH. fleet Not only do these ships bring some serious grief(obviously not an ally of "HIM") But these ships are actually what set "HIM" off V.30b And of course this is just a scenario that I subscribe to...What say ye....
                              sing it w/me...and thats my story and i'm stickin' to it....

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