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    Satan persecutes the woman Israel.
    1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

    Genesis 37: 9 And he had yet another dream, and told it unto his brethren, saying, Behold, I had a dream by night: the sun and the moon and eleven stars bowed themselves before me.

    The woman is pregnant.
    2. And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

    Israel becomes lame and flees because her tribulation has come through the Antichrist. Israel realizes by this time that she was deceived by the Antichrist. Therefore, she is pregnant with the 144,000 sealed in chapter seven. The prophets of God are now also on the scene, helping Israel with her birth. From the beginning when the temple was finished, Israel sacrificed again. These three years of peace gave Israel the opportunity to restore the sacrifice. Now the Antichrist reveals himself after 42 months to break the covenant. Israel's eyes open and see the true character of the Antichrist.
    Isaiah. 66: 7-8 Before she found her ways, she bore; before grief came over her, she was delivered from a boy. Who heard something like that? Who saw such things? Is a country born in a single day? Or become a nation with one stroke gesture? For Zion found ways, and suddenly her children bare.

    The dragon - Satan.
    3. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
    The devil described here in his true character. Here it is also revealed that he is in charge of the Antichrist and false prophet. From the beginning of man's fall into the Garden of Eden, the devil gained power over man because of sin. The seven heads are the kings who ruled the earth as the angel explains in chapter 17.

    Isaiah 27: 1 In that day the LORD will punish with his hard and great and strong sword upon Leviathan the fast serpent, and upon Leviathan the serpent; and He will kill the dragon who is in the great water.

    Satan comes with all his might against Israel.
    4. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

    The devil now comes with all power to occupy the earth. Where his envoys were present with him, they are now commanded to take possession of the earth with all power and compel all people to worship him. He knows his time is short before he will be bound in the abyss for a thousand years. We must keep in mind that the devil hates man because he hates God. Man is God's creation and is destroyed by Satan until he has destroyed all souls. He will not rest until all flesh is destroyed. His purpose is to destroy God's creation.He wants to be worshiped and receive the glory of God that does not deserve him. His end will be the lake of fire. Daniel.8: 10 And it grew to the host of heaven, and cast down some of the host, even of the stars, upon the earth, and trampled upon them.

    The male child - 144,000 Israelites.
    5. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. For the last time, he is still trying to hinder the work of God. The male child is the 144,000 elect of Israel, which is also a heavy pill to swallow for the Gentiles who do not want to accept this election. Now that the Antichrist has deceived Israel, the realization comes to her that she must return to God. The two prophets point Israel to Christ, though not everyone believes in it. The greatest revival for Israel will only take place at the Second Coming of Christ. Because the Antichrist and the false prophet may exercise so much, it will still be difficult for Israel to believe in Christ. It is not the faith that will hinder them, but because they are still in flight. Israel's hope is for salvation against the enemy alone at the Second Coming. In chapter fourteen, the 144,000 appear on Mount Zion. Luke 2:23 as it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male child that openeth the womb shall be called holy unto the Lord;

    Flight of Israel.
    6. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Satan Thrown Down to Earth The woman is kept in the wilderness portions by those on whose heart the Lord laid it down to sustain her. God has not yet forgotten His people. He is making a way for both, for the saints of paganism who believe in Him and for the people of Israel who are purified in the wilderness so that she can meet her Master and Savior Jesus Christ. Here she is prepared and formed as God desires her. Daniel 11: 41 He shall also come into the beautiful land, and many shall stumble; but these peoples shall escape out of his hand: Edom and Moab, and the best part of the children of Ammon.

    War between Michael and Satan.
    7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Here they are driven out to never return again. For good the devil is banished with his falling angels that he has dragged along from the beginning of creation. I believe the angels were glad when this moment came that they could drive the devil and his companions away. What saint is not tired of their persecution and seduction? Now the time has come for God to violently defeat them and drive them out of His kingdom.

    Satan loses.
    8. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    Cast down to earth.
    9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Here the devil is driven from heaven for good. No access is granted anymore. Now it's war! God is tired of this accuser and the wicked who dishonor Him with their blasphemous statements and actions. The moment has come where one has to seriously reflect on his decision that will affect him in the future at the day of judgment. Ephesians.6: 12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the authorities, against the powers, against the world rulers of the darkness of this age, against the evil spirits in the air. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! How do you lie down to the earth, the ruler of the nations!
    Ezekiel.28: 16 Because of the greatness of your merchandise they have filled your bowels with violence, and you have sinned; Therefore I have driven you out of the mountain of God as an unholy man;

    Satan persecutes the Christians.
    10. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    The time for indictment is over. It will no longer be necessary to put the saints to the test. Fixed decisions that make the saints' lives are made where there is no reversal. Your final decision is final and cannot be changed. Every saint who makes God his choice faces death. With this decision, the Lord empowers the people with the Holy Spirit to remain standing until the end.
    Zechariah 3: 1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest, standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.

    Blood of the Lamb the victory.
    11. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. These beloved ones do not act like apostates, but washed by the blood of the Lamb. Standing saints who have already accepted Christ and some who are young in the Lord. Here is the answer for every child of God. We can overcome the devil through the blood of the Lamb. The blood cleanses us and brings salvation from sin. You cannot do God's work and think that you can overcome the devil with sin in your life. The devil laughs at the children of God who are still alive in sin. He knows that such Christians who love sin are powerless. Only through the power of the Holy Spirit can we stand until death. 1 John.5: 4 For all that is begotten of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world, namely our faith.

    Satan descends.
    12. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Our beloved ones in heaven, waiting to see us, rejoice and rejoice as the hour of reckoning has begun against Satan and his followers. Yes, it is true, the devil's time is scarce and he must soon devise plans for victory against God. He knows he will not prevail, so he wants to destroy as many souls as possible. He also knows that everything in the Bible will be fulfilled. No one can withhold God's prophecies. Isaiah 49:13 Sing, O heavens, and rejoice, O earth; and mountains erupt in joy! For the LORD hath comforted his people, and have mercy on his afflicted.

    Israel is being prosecuted further.
    13. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed.

    Israel receives help from God.
    14. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. These lands will benefit Israel as God decides. They will be helped to safety by God's help. Satan plans to destroy Israel on the basis of the prophecy. The devil must always make everything worse than necessary. It is God's intention for Israel to repent, not be destroyed. The question is why do these nations help Israel? Except that God favors Israel among the nations, the whole world is evil to the Antichrist. The NWO's plan was not to appoint dictators, because they had already got rid of them. The goal was for the world to stand together against God, Israel and Christians. The NWO realizes and is still trying to act in their own power to implement their plans. Isaiah. 16: 1-4 Send the lambs of the ruler of the land out of the rock into the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion. And like birds that flee, a nest that is chased, the daughters of Moab will be at the fords of the Arnon. Give advice, make a decision, make your shadow like the night at noon, hide the expelled, do not betray the refugee! Let my displaced people dwell with you! As for Moab, be a refuge to them because of the destroyer. For the oppressor is done, the destruction is finished; Daniel 11: 41 He shall also come into the beautiful land, and bales shall fall; but these peoples shall escape out of his hand: Edom and Moab, and the best part of the children of Ammon.

    Satan persecutes Israel through the nations.
    15.And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
    The river is the persecution of those who flee from Israel to Edom, Moab, and the children of Ammon. The Muslim nations are incited against Israel. The devil knows the prophetic scriptures and he knows that Israel is still protected by God. Despite all the lies he spreads to man, he retains the truth he does not want. He also only performs the commands given to him as in the book of Job, to fulfill God's will on earth. Although he is sometimes allowed to impose his own will on man, the enemy is limited to what God allows him to do. This persecution is allowed so that Israel can once again be tried so that they can be purified and perfected.
    Revelation 17:15 And he said unto me, The waters which thou sawest, wherein the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and languages.

    God's way for Israel.
    16. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
    Isaiah 19: 5 And the waters shall be gone out of the great pool, and the river shall be dried up, and dry.

    Saints who help Israel are also being persecuted.
    17.And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. First he tries to change circumstances by whipping other peoples hearts against Israel. But in vain, God will assist her against those who persecute her. As he opened the earth against Korah.
    Numbers 16:32 And the earth opened its mouth, and swallowed them up with their households, and all the people that belonged to Korah, and all their goods.
    Her other offspring are those who believe like her. By now it is so clear to Israel that she made a mistake in avoiding the gospel. The two prophets teach them to see and accept the truth. The tribulation against the children of God is tremendous now and more than ever. These saints were ready for the coming of Christ and are now being persecuted by the wicked. These saints were not left behind because they were not ready, but were found in the tribulation period. They did not love their lives until death. Everything is placed on the altar for Christ and there is no disappointment in any rapture in which they did not participate. These saints know that Christ is coming again, for His promises are yes and amen. As the previous saints lost their lives for the sake of the gospel, these saints are also prepared to stand for the truth. This persecution comes from the devil himself, where in the next chapter we see his further plan of persecution when he uses the Antichrist to accomplish his purpose.
    Psalm.22: 23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him! All the descendants of Jacob, honor Him! Yes, fear Him, all the descendants of Israel!
    Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's descendants and heirs according to the promise.

  • #2
    A lot of people believe that the "man child" is "the 144,000" (just like a lot of people believe the "man child" is speaking of "Jesus").

    Here is a portion of why I do not believe this is the case:


    Isaiah 66:7,8 -

    "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child…"


    Micah 5:3 [bst] - [recall, v.2 IS speaking of Jesus' birth; but v.3 is not, but is rather a "far-future" thing]

    "Therefore shall he appoint them to wait till the time of her that travails: she shall bring forth, and then the remnant of their brethren shall return to the children of Israel."


    Revelation 12:13 [blb] -

    "And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who had brought forth the male [G730 - arsena/arren (no word "child" in this verse)--G730 arsena/arren - "probably from airo [G142 - 'I raise, lift up, take away, remove']"]"


    [in this verse ^ , it says, "[the woman] who HAD BROUGHT FORTH the male [G730]," which means, at some point in time BEFORE this particular point in the chronology, which the following verse informs us of the "1260 days" remaining (so, mid-trib is the CONTEXT, and this is saying "who HAD BROUGHT FORTH the male" [PRIOR TO this point]; and then v.17 speaking of "THE REMNANT of her seed" (this part, I believe, parallels the wording in Micah 5:3 speaking of "the remnant of His brethren" which "shall return" AFTER the "UNTIL the time of her that travails [<--this wording is identifying her, not saying THAT she travails in labor-VERB, here] / she shall bring forth" of Micah 5:3--so the "remnant" shall "return" AFTER she "brings forth" (the male), and she "HAD BROUGHT FORTH the male" BEFORE this mid-trib point, in the chronology; and then according to Isa66, even "before she travailed she brought forth... was delivered of a man child" (i.e. even BEFORE the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3, Matt24:4/Mk13:5]" which INITIAL birth PANG [SINGULAR] "kicks off" the trib yrs [aka the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" time period, at SEAL #1])]

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TheDivineWatermark View Post
      A lot of people believe that the "man child" is "the 144,000" (just like a lot of people believe the "man child" is speaking of "Jesus").

      Here is a portion of why I do not believe this is the case:


      Isaiah 66:7,8 -

      "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child…"


      Micah 5:3 [bst] - [recall, v.2 IS speaking of Jesus' birth; but v.3 is not, but is rather a "far-future" thing]

      "Therefore shall he appoint them to wait till the time of her that travails: she shall bring forth, and then the remnant of their brethren shall return to the children of Israel."


      Revelation 12:13 [blb] -

      "And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who had brought forth the male [G730 - arsena/arren (no word "child" in this verse)--G730 arsena/arren - "probably from airo [G142 - 'I raise, lift up, take away, remove']"]"


      [in this verse ^ , it says, "[the woman] who HAD BROUGHT FORTH the male [G730]," which means, at some point in time BEFORE this particular point in the chronology, which the following verse informs us of the "1260 days" remaining (so, mid-trib is the CONTEXT, and this is saying "who HAD BROUGHT FORTH the male" [PRIOR TO this point]; and then v.17 speaking of "THE REMNANT of her seed" (this part, I believe, parallels the wording in Micah 5:3 speaking of "the remnant of His brethren" which "shall return" AFTER the "UNTIL the time of her that travails [<--this wording is identifying her, not saying THAT she travails in labor-VERB, here] / she shall bring forth" of Micah 5:3--so the "remnant" shall "return" AFTER she "brings forth" (the male), and she "HAD BROUGHT FORTH the male" BEFORE this mid-trib point, in the chronology; and then according to Isa66, even "before she travailed she brought forth... was delivered of a man child" (i.e. even BEFORE the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3, Matt24:4/Mk13:5]" which INITIAL birth PANG [SINGULAR] "kicks off" the trib yrs [aka the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" time period, at SEAL #1])]
      1. Remember also to say male child. We believe that a male child in the spirit is when someone has received the rebirth.
      2. If we talk about the church Paul refers to a virgin. 2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
      3. The remnant are those who belong to the woman. 2Jn 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
      2Jn 1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.
      Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? We are the remnant of the seed when we become born again and graffed into the olive tree.

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      • #4
        Don't verses 6 and 14 picture the same event?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 6paths View Post
          Don't verses 6 and 14 picture the same event?
          No, because the first is before the war in heaven, and the second is after the war when Satan is cast to the Earth and cannot return to heaven ever again.

          If you were fed for a period of time, then a war happened, and after the war you were fed for another same length of time would you think those feedings were the same event?


          James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

            No, because the first is before the war in heaven, and the second is after the war when Satan is cast to the Earth and cannot return to heaven ever again.

            If you were fed for a period of time, then a war happened, and after the war you were fed for another same length of time would you think those feedings were the same event?




            6
            And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

            14
            And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

            The same woman is fleeing/fly - from the face of the serpent to the same wilderness into her place, a place prepared of God, to be fed/nourished for the same amount of time, 1,260 days/a time, and times, and half a time.
            To me, the underlined similarities are too great to ignore. The differences add to our understanding of a single event.
            Although the war in heaven and Satan cast to earth are not mentioned between verses 5 and 6, does that mean that it will not happen within the timeframe or was it just omitted?

            It is my opinion that the similarities in the Revelation are meant to clarify the different visions.

            Consider the time gap in Isaiah 61:2
            To proclaim the acceptable year of the
            Lord
            , and the day of vengeance of our God;...
            There is almost 2,000 years between the acceptable year of the Lord and the coming day of vengeance.
            Does that mean that nothing has happened between these events because nothing is mentioned?
            Not everything is mentioned in every vision.
            Different words are used to describe the same events.

            If we interpreted the gospels the same way we interpret the Revelation, there would be 4 times when Jesus lived, died, and resurrected!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 6paths View Post
              To me, the underlined similarities are too great to ignore.
              I find that one before a war and one after a war is much harder to ignore.



              The differences add to our understanding of a single event.
              Although the war in heaven and Satan cast to earth are not mentioned between verses 5 and 6, does that mean that it will not happen within the timeframe or was it just omitted?
              The war did not happen yet. It's that simple. The dragon wasn't after the woman in the first feeding/wilderness nor was a flood of water used nor the Earth swallowing it. That only happens after the war in heaven.


              If we interpreted the gospels the same way we interpret the Revelation, there would be 4 times when Jesus lived, died, and resurrected!
              Nope. Chronology always settles any confusion about how many times something occurs. Rev 12 shows two different times the woman is fed in the wilderness.



              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 6paths View Post
                Don't verses 6 and 14 picture the same event?
                Yes, I do believe vv.6 and 14 are the same event (which are the same event also found in Matthew 24:16,20 / Mark 13:14,18, which "FLEE" in these two passages are DISTINCT FROM the "FLEE" found in Luke 21:12-24, esp. vv.20-21, which "FLEE" found THERE is speaking of the events surrounding 70ad instead--based on the SEQUENCE/CHRONOLOGY issues I've posted about in past posts, regarding these passages)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post




                  Rev 12 shows two different times the woman is fed in the wilderness.


                  So there are two 3.5 year periods?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

                    So there are two 3.5 year periods?
                    Yes. One occurs before the war in heaven and one occurs after the war in heaven.

                    There might be a third found in the next chapter. I am unsure if the second 3.5 years happens before the 42 months/3.5 years of Rev 13 or if it happens at the same time. It appears to start before Satan goes off to start the GT but I am not sure if the author intended it to be looked at with that level of scrutiny or not.
                    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

                      Yes. One occurs before the war in heaven and one occurs after the war in heaven.

                      There might be a third found in the next chapter. I am unsure if the second 3.5 years happens before the 42 months/3.5 years of Rev 13 or if it happens at the same time. It appears to start before Satan goes off to start the GT but I am not sure if the author intended it to be looked at with that level of scrutiny or not.
                      All Revelation references to 3.5 years are references to the period of great tribulation, which is the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week. The period of great tribulation begins with the abomination of desolation and the cessation of animal sacrifice according to OT law, and ends with the great earthquake of Rev 11:13 when the 2 witnesses rise from the dead and ascend into heaven.

                      Rev 12:1-5 is the story of Jesus coming to earth as a man and ascending into heaven.
                      Rev 12:6 jumps in time, but still pictures the period of great tribulation.
                      This is a chronological sequence of events.

                      Another chronological sequence of events occurs from Rev 12:7 - 13:18, in which chapter 13 explains Rev 12:13.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 6paths View Post

                        All Revelation references to 3.5 years are references to the period of great tribulation,
                        The one before the war in heaven cannot be any 3.5 year period that happens after that war.

                        The period of great tribulation begins with the abomination of desolation and the cessation of animal sacrifice according to OT law,
                        Animal sacrifice ended long ago and has nothing to do with the coming GT and the abomination of desolation.



                        Rev 12:1-5 is the story of Jesus coming to earth as a man and ascending into heaven.
                        Rev 12:6 jumps in time, but still pictures the period of great tribulation.
                        This is a chronological sequence of events.
                        The GT does not begin until Satan goes off to persecute the remnant of the woman's seed:

                        Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.





                        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

                          The one before the war in heaven cannot be any 3.5 year period that happens after that war.


                          There are 2 separate chronologies in Rev 12 as I stated.
                          The 3.5 year period does occur after the war in heaven.
                          The war in heaven is only mentioned in 1 of the 2 chronologies, but is not discounted just because it is not mentioned in every chronology.



                          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                          Animal sacrifice ended long ago and has nothing to do with the coming GT and the abomination of desolation.


                          Matt 24:15,21 are at odds with this conclusion.
                          15
                          When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand


                          21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

                          Daniel 12:11 gives us the time frame for counting these days, although I don't know what happens 30 days after the 1,260.
                          11
                          And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

                          Daniel 12:11 refers to the time of trouble or GT of Dan 12:1
                          And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.




                          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                          The GT does not begin until Satan goes off to persecute the remnant of the woman's seed:

                          Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

                          The GT begins with Satan's war against the woman - Israel, who flees for 1,260 days. Rev 12:6 and 12:14.
                          The GT continues with Satan's war against the rest of her seed - Christians, which also happens during a span of 42 months according to Rev 13:5.
                          It would appear that both events begin on the same day.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 6paths View Post
                            There are 2 separate chronologies in Rev 12 as I stated.
                            No, there is one chronology in Rev 12. There is a 3.5 period where the woman is fed in the wilderness but satan is not shown to be pursing her or trying to harm her. A war starts and ends and Satan is kicked out of heaven forever, and then he tries to harm the woman and she flees to the wilderness for a second 3.5 years and since he can't harm her, he goes to start a war with the remnant of her seed which is the 42 month great tribulation.



                            The GT begins with Satan's war against the woman - Israel, who flees for 1,260 days. Rev 12:6 and 12:14.
                            The GT continues with Satan's war against the rest of her seed - Christians, which also happens during a span of 42 months according to Rev 13:5.
                            It would appear that both events begin on the same day.
                            There are without a doubt two 3.5 year periods in Rev 12. The second one is said to start before Satan goes to war against the remnant of the woman's seed so you have the 42 months starting before it actually starts.
                            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

                              No, there is one chronology in Rev 12. There is a 3.5 period where the woman is fed in the wilderness but satan is not shown to be pursing her or trying to harm her. A war starts and ends and Satan is kicked out of heaven forever, and then he tries to harm the woman and she flees to the wilderness for a second 3.5 years and since he can't harm her, he goes to start a war with the remnant of her seed which is the 42 month great tribulation.
                              Perhaps the woman is just out for a jog when she flees in Rev 12:6.



                              Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                              There are without a doubt two 3.5 year periods in Rev 12. The second one is said to start before Satan goes to war against the remnant of the woman's seed so you have the 42 months starting before it actually starts.
                              So there is no way both periods could begin on the same day?

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