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    When reading the book of Revelation, keep in mind that these are the future plans of God for the saints. Prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with the past. We cannot accept the book of Revelation as a prophetic interpretation of the past. To explain the book of Revelation, we must predict prophetic events that occur in the future to predict absolute accuracy. Also keep in mind that future prophecies cannot always be explained by the lack of knowledge and change of technology. Daniel says that knowledge will increase. Dan 12: 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

  • #2
    Originally posted by angelmike View Post
    When reading the book of Revelation, keep in mind that these are the future plans of God for the saints. Prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with the past. We cannot accept the book of Revelation as a prophetic interpretation of the past. To explain the book of Revelation, we must predict prophetic events that occur in the future to predict absolute accuracy. Also keep in mind that future prophecies cannot always be explained by the lack of knowledge and change of technology. Daniel says that knowledge will increase. Dan 12: 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
    Or it was future to the time of John wrighting it as it was written to his audience

    Revelation 1:1-4
    The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. 4 John,

    To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
    Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne,

    Revelation 22:10
    10
    Then he told me, “Do not seal up
    the words of the prophecy of this scroll,
    because the time is near


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    • #3
      Originally posted by marty fox View Post

      Or it was future to the time of John wrighting it as it was written to his audience
      'the time is near', is plainly God's timing. Because what John wrote never happened then and did not happen in the next nearly 2000 years.
      But this does not mean it won't happen. Be ready for dramatic events, as the time draws near for Jesus to Return, as He said He would.

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      • #4

        Revelation 1:1 reads; "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John."

        The word "shortly" in the Greek is "en-tachos". The authorities give the meaning as; "a brief space (of time), i.e. with <G1722> (en) prefixed) in haste :- + quickly, + shortly, + speedily." (Strong's Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.) Although it can mean "shortly" as we understand it, the sense is rather "in a brief period of time". And this is in accordance with the whole Book of Apocalypse. It records the events leading up to and surrounding the "REVEALING" of Christ from heaven. The central focus is the events of the last 42 months of the age.


        Revelation 1:19 further tells us; "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter." I judge that;

        Chapter 1 is the things John wrote which "he HAD seen" - a Lord Who is not happy with His Churches

        Chapters 2 - 3 are the things "which are" - Apostate Churches already in 95 AD

        Chapters 4 - 22 are the things "which shall be hereafter" - The crowning of the new King of the earth, His authority to pour God's wrath on it as just retribution on ungodliness, and His "REVEALING" from heaven to take command of the earth.




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        • #5
          Revelation discusses many events past, present, and future to the 1st century time John it.

          To solely place it in our future, is untenable.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by angelmike View Post
            When reading the book of Revelation, keep in mind that these are the future plans of God for the saints. Prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with the past. We cannot accept the book of Revelation as a prophetic interpretation of the past. To explain the book of Revelation, we must predict prophetic events that occur in the future to predict absolute accuracy. Also keep in mind that future prophecies cannot always be explained by the lack of knowledge and change of technology. Daniel says that knowledge will increase. Dan 12: 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
            Hi angelmike would you say that this below is in the future?

            Revelation 12:10
            10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
            “Now have come the salvation and the power
            and the kingdom of our God,
            and the authority of his Messiah.
            For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
            who accuses them before our God day and night,
            has been hurled down.



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            • #7
              Originally posted by marty fox View Post

              Hi angelmike would you say that this below is in the future?

              Revelation 12:10
              10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
              “Now have come the salvation and the power
              and the kingdom of our God,
              and the authority of his Messiah.
              For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
              who accuses them before our God day and night,
              has been hurled down.


              May I venture an answer?

              It must be future for at least THREE reasons:
              1. The Kingdom of God has not been established on earth yet. The Gentiles still rule today.
              2. Satan has not been hurled down yet. We are told in Ephesians 6:12 that; "... we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Only in Revelation 19 does this change to a physical battle on earth, and that is at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus.
              3. The "Accuser of the brethren" needs an ADVOCATE. Christ is still at the right hand of the father pleading our case (Heb.7:25; 1st Jn.2:1). This only changes when our Lord Jesus becomes our JUDGE at the Bema, AFTER the Rapture. The He becomes the ACCUSER.

              The "salvation" of verse 10 is not our salvation by faith from our sins. It is the salvation of the earth. When the "Kingdom of God" comes there will be righteous rule on earth.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by angelmike View Post
                When reading the book of Revelation, keep in mind that these are the future plans of God for the saints. Prophecy has absolutely nothing to do with the past. We cannot accept the book of Revelation as a prophetic interpretation of the past.
                For the most part, yes. The majority of Rev's prophecy is future and is mainly concerning events that take place prior to the great tribulation, events during it, and events after the GT has ended. Part of Rev 12 discusses the past and was even past for John. He also wrote of 5 kings that had already fallen so that was past for John as well.

                In Rev 19 Jesus returns and defeats the two beasts and their armies so we do know that the main aspects of Rev are the future GT and Jesus defeating those enemies.
                James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Walls View Post

                  May I venture an answer?

                  It must be future for at least THREE reasons:
                  1. The Kingdom of God has not been established on earth yet. The Gentiles still rule today.
                  2. Satan has not been hurled down yet. We are told in Ephesians 6:12 that; "... we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Only in Revelation 19 does this change to a physical battle on earth, and that is at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus.
                  3. The "Accuser of the brethren" needs an ADVOCATE. Christ is still at the right hand of the father pleading our case (Heb.7:25; 1st Jn.2:1). This only changes when our Lord Jesus becomes our JUDGE at the Bema, AFTER the Rapture. The He becomes the ACCUSER.

                  The "salvation" of verse 10 is not our salvation by faith from our sins. It is the salvation of the earth. When the "Kingdom of God" comes there will be righteous rule on earth.
                  If so then how come Jesus says this

                  Revelation 3:14
                  14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
                  These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

                  Jesus is already ruling now and was ruling at the time of the writing of Revelation

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by marty fox View Post

                    If so then how come Jesus says this

                    Revelation 3:14
                    14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
                    These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

                    Jesus is already ruling now and was ruling at the time of the writing of Revelation
                    And Satan is allowed to be the ruler of the world until Christ returns. The height of Satan's rule will be during the GT when he is allowed to overcome the saints and kill them and will be worshiped by the world he rules.
                    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by marty fox View Post

                      If so then how come Jesus says this

                      Revelation 3:14
                      14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
                      These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

                      Jesus is already ruling now and was ruling at the time of the writing of Revelation
                      Aaahhhh, my brother. You cannot pit one verse AGAINST another. That is to declare the Bible untrue. You have to first show me to have misunderstood the scriptures I brought, and THEN bring yours. But I will answer anyway.

                      In Daniel Chapter 4, the ruler of the known world was Nebuchadnezzar (Dan.2:37-38) - a most brutal and feared Gentile king. In Chapter 2 he is depicted as the head of the kingdoms of men. At a certain point in his career, he is caused by God to lose his sovereignty and spend 7 years with the beasts of the field. On his return he says; "This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men" (Daniel 4:17). See also verse 25.

                      Now, who was ruler of the known world? Clearly Nebuchadnezzar by decree of the God. Who rules the creation? God! There is no conflict in the scriptures.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by marty fox View Post

                        Hi angelmike would you say that this below is in the future?

                        Revelation 12:10
                        10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
                        “Now have come the salvation and the power
                        and the kingdom of our God,
                        and the authority of his Messiah.
                        For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
                        who accuses them before our God day and night,
                        has been hurled down.


                        Yes, it is for the future when the Antichrist will reign.

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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=angelmike;n2698576]

                          Yes, it is for the future when the Antichrist will reign.

                          [/If so then how come Jesus says this

                          Revelation 3:14
                          14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
                          These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

                          Jesus is already ruling now and was ruling at the time of the writing of Revelation

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=marty fox;n2698580][QUOTE=angelmike;n2698576]

                            Yes, it is for the future when the Antichrist will reign. [

                            /If so then how come Jesus says this

                            Revelation 3:14
                            14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
                            These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

                            Jesus is already ruling now and was When revelation was written

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                              Jesus is already ruling now and was When revelation was written
                              Then why does it say the kingdoms of the world only becomes the kingdoms of Christ at the 7th trump? If he was ruling this world those kingdoms would have already been his but they weren't until the 7th trump.

                              Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

                              Also, why did Christ himself declare Satan as the ruler of the world if Christ was the ruler of the world?

                              Joh_14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

                              BTW prince in the Greek means a ruler not the son of a King.



                              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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