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  • #91
    Originally posted by marty fox View Post

    I see the pit not literal it’s a symbolic description of his situation
    Symbols generally align with what they represent.
    Eg a candlestick is a church, something that creates light.
    A beast is a large evil entity (an evil empire opposed to Israel)
    A horn is a point of power within an empire.
    An olive tree represents flourishing, bearing fruit.

    You need to rethink your symbols when they depict the exact opposite of reality, bottomless pit= heavenly places.

    Not only that, Rev 20 places Satan in the pit at the beginning of the 1000 years, an event that only starts after the setting up of the image of the beast in the GT. So your timing of the pit is incorrect.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

      And do you also say the pit is symbolic of his situation when it was opened? Looks like some type of a literal place that can be locked and unlocked to me.

      Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
      Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
      Yes I do a perverted gospel releases him

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      • #93
        Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post

        Symbols generally align with what they represent.
        Eg a candlestick is a church, something that creates light.
        A beast is a large evil entity (an evil empire opposed to Israel)
        A horn is a point of power within an empire.
        An olive tree represents flourishing, bearing fruit.

        You need to rethink your symbols when they depict the exact opposite of reality, bottomless pit= heavenly places.

        Not only that, Rev 20 places Satan in the pit at the beginning of the 1000 years, an event that only starts after the setting up of the image of the beast in the GT. So your timing of the pit is incorrect.
        If its not symbolic then how can there be a literal bottomless pit? If its bottomless then it can't be a pit because a pit has a bottom

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        • #94
          Originally posted by marty fox View Post

          If you think about it if satan was literally sealed in a pit there wouldn’t be any need for a chain it’s symbolic
          No really because God wants to immobilize him not just imprison him. Whatever the chain actually is, it is one part of the entire process. There is a chain, a lock and a seal and a bottomless pit.

          The power of the gospel the great chain binds satan he is powerless against it unless people reject it and then satan can deceive them

          No, the gospel isn't an angel with a key and chain and a pit with a lock and seal. The gospel existed long before Rev 20 so what we see in Rev 20 is different than the gospel.
          James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by marty fox View Post

            If its not symbolic then how can there be a literal bottomless pit? If its bottomless then it can't be a pit because a pit has a bottom
            A pit in a different dimension or reality that we cannot normally see can very much be a literal place and be bottomless. Naturally God can create that.
            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by marty fox View Post

              If its not symbolic then how can there be a literal bottomless pit? If its bottomless then it can't be a pit because a pit has a bottom
              Haha I enjoyed the logic. Well said.

              Sure it's symbolic, but symbolic of a deep dark spiritual place where evil spirits are bound. There should be some match between the symbol and reality.

              To see a deep place as symbolic of a high place, is where I draw the line. Symbols depict the reality in a descriptive fashion, giving us an approximate mental image. Symbols aren't supposed to give us an opposite depiction of the reality.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post

                Even now, in this age, our fight is "against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

                Satan will be removed from heaven only after the church triumphs by the blood of the lamb, and the word of our testimony and martyrdom:

                Satan " has been hurled down.
                11 They triumphed over him
                by the blood of the Lamb
                and by the word of their testimony;
                they did not love their lives so much
                as to shrink from death." (Rev 12)
                We have already triumphed by his blood , and our accuser is already cast down. Jesus saw him falling when he sent the 70 out.

                satan is wasting his time accusing those under his blood. We are free and he knows it.

                The greek word for "heavenly" used in Eph 1 and 2 , is not used in Eph 6
                And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post

                  We have already triumphed by his blood , and our accuser is already cast down. Jesus saw him falling when he sent the 70 out.
                  Jesus could see into the future as a prophet and God so that doesn't mean Satan was falling when Christ spoke about it anymore than the GT was happening because Christ spoke of it in the OD.

                  When Satan is cast out of heaven, it is said he has a short time. It is at that time that Satan goes "to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" and that would be the GT found in Rev 13 and we know that hasn't started yet because the world will be ruled by one empire and one ruler with help from ten kings that only are kings for that one hour of tribulation.

                  Hard to say if the war in heaven has already ended or if it is yet to begin.
                  James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                  • #99
                    [QUOTE=ewq1938;n2699109

                    Hard to say if the war in heaven has already ended or if it is yet to begin.[/QUOTE]

                    Wars usually begin when someone invades somebody else territory.

                    Jesus has already won the battle as anyone can be transferred from the kingdom of darkness by his grace , into his marvelous light and be seated with him in the heavenly realm ….now.
                    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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                    • Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post

                      Wars usually begin when someone invades somebody else territory.

                      Jesus has already won the battle as anyone can be transferred from the kingdom of darkness by his grace , into his marvelous light and be seated with him in the heavenly realm ….now.
                      That doesn't really help with when people think the Rev 12 war in heaven happens. Someone thought it has already happened, but I don't see any way to know until Satan starts the GT and the two beasts rule over the world with the mark of the beast and living image etc.

                      James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                      • Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

                        That doesn't really help with when people think the Rev 12 war in heaven happens. Someone thought it has already happened, but I don't see any way to know until Satan starts the GT and the two beasts rule over the world with the mark of the beast and living image etc.
                        So it all comes down to your profound knowledge of the book of Revelation... You should forget that and fix your eyes upon Jesus words about the future.
                        You will become an AMILL in no time.
                        And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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                        • Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post

                          So it all comes down to your profound knowledge of the book of Revelation... You should forget that and fix your eyes upon Jesus words about the future.
                          You will become an AMILL in no time.
                          This is a strange response to my last post. Please try to post on topic and not bitter rants against others.


                          James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                          • Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                            We have already triumphed by his blood , and our accuser is already cast down. Jesus saw him falling when he sent the 70 out.

                            satan is wasting his time accusing those under his blood. We are free and he knows it.

                            The greek word for "heavenly" used in Eph 1 and 2 , is not used in Eph 6
                            Your view is impossible, because no martyrdom or blood of Jesus was involved when Jesus sent the 70 out. The text refers to martyrdom and the blood of Jesus involved when Satan is hurled down (Rev 12:10-12). You need to carefully explain, and if your view gets too complicated, then remember Occams razor counts against you.

                            I'm interested to hear what you come up.

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                            • Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

                              This is a strange response to my last post. Please try to post on topic and not bitter rants against others.

                              On topic with no bitterness. You seem to rely heavily on your understanding of Rev. I would rather quote Jesus.
                              And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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                              • Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post

                                Your view is impossible, because no martyrdom or blood of Jesus was involved when Jesus sent the 70 out. The text refers to martyrdom and the blood of Jesus involved when Satan is hurled down (Rev 12:10-12). You need to carefully explain, and if your view gets too complicated, then remember Occams razor counts against you.

                                I'm interested to hear what you come up.
                                Am I assuming we have triumphed through his blood alone.?

                                How can satan still accuse us before God when Jesus has already washed us and taken all manner of accusation against us AWAY.?
                                And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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