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Who is the entity which comes up from the pit and kills the 2W's? The dragon, Satan.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

    I don't see any reason the destroyer can't be Satan. Lucifer probably has many names. Lucifer was once a servant of God.
    Not during the times of exodus lucifer was already gods enemy then.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by marty fox View Post

      Not during the times of exodus lucifer was already gods enemy then.
      Who says he was serving God then? At what point did Lucifer become God's enemy?

      God used and allowed Lucifer to smote Job

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

        You still are not answering the question....who is the AC?

        Is the AC Satan + man?
        The antichrist is exactly who John says he is a spirit. People confuse the antichrist and the sea beast in revelation.

        The term antichrist is only used four times in the scriptures in Johns epistles and this same John wrote the book of revelation didn’t use the term antichrist once and there is a reason for this They are different entities they don’t even have the same purpose or character.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by marty fox View Post

          The antichrist is exactly who John says he is a spirit. People confuse the antichrist and the sea beast in revelation.

          The term antichrist is only used four times in the scriptures in Johns epistles and this same John wrote the book of revelation didn’t use the term antichrist once and there is a reason for this They are different entities they don’t even have the same purpose or character.
          I did not bring up the AC in the thread. In your opinion is the destroyer either the first or second beast?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

            Who says he was serving God then? At what point did Lucifer become God's enemy?

            God used and allowed Lucifer to smote Job
            Satan became Gods enemy in the garden of eve when God cursed him.

            In exodus the destroyer is working with God

            23 When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyerto enter your houses and strike you down.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

              I did not bring up the AC in the thread. In your opinion is the destroyer either the first or second beast?
              Sorry I didn’t say you brought but you did mention him

              I don’t see the destroyer as either although the antichrist that John speaks of is more like the second beast the land beast the false prophet

              The only time in revelation the destroyer is named and mentioned is In chapter 9 and I think only for the purpose it says. I think many demons are captured in the abyss

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

                How can a man come up from the pit? A spirit must come up from the pit.



                This is the first beast which reigns for 3.5 years but notice the beast does not come up from the pit until the 3.5 years has ended. The second beast is the one whom kills the 2Ws which arises after the 3.5 years for a little season 1260-1335.

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                And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

                So the beast does not kill them until the 3.5 years is finished. Do we think the beast came up at the start of 3.5 years and waited to kill them?

                The second beast is the first beast man + spirit.
                Correct. You are right.
                To God be the Glory

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                  Firstly we can say that flesh cannot come up from the pit. So the entity coming up from the pit needs to be spirit in nature. Then we this entity then making war and kills the 2W's. Therefore this entity coming up from the pit is spirit in nature then must unite with a fleshly body on earth and become a man. So the question needs to be asked what spirit can come up from the pit and have the power to then overcome the 2W's? Not just any demon spirit.

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                  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

                  Now we see another reference of an entity coming up from the pit in Rev 17. Now we see this same entity becomes a king. He is the 8th king and the one dressed in scarlet whom the woman is riding. We also see the 8th king is "of" the seven. We see in verse 10 John speaks of kings so then this 8th king is of the seven kings.

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                  The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
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                  And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
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                  And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
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                  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

                  So who has seven kings? The dragon.

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                  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

                  Some may say the 7 heads are not seven kings. Surely there are not 7 literal mountains upon the dragon in heaven nor 7 worldly empires. Rather these 7 heads are kings in which the woman is supported. The city is supported by these 7 kings likened unto mountains whereby she is supported. Thus the dragon has 7 kings in his government as does the Lamb of God as well.

                  So it is the dragon, Satan who comes up from the pit and kills the 2W's. Therefore the event of Satan coming up again from the pit some 1000 years later does not happen.

                  For those who continually want to post Rev 20 and claim the 1000 years is literal then need to explain what spirit entity comes up from the pit and is able to kill the 2W's if not Satan.
                  Its Apollyon, the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17 who has NO CROWNS......The Dragon Beast of Rev. 12 has 7 CROWNS on the 7 Heads {One being the Anti-Christ}........The Man/Anti-Christ Beast of Rev. 13 has 10 CROWNS on the 10 Horns/kings that give him their power.

                  So he has no Kingdom on this earth, but his Kingdom is the Bottomless Pit. He was OF THE SEVEN means he was of the First 6 as a Demon placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region {MSR} and that means the prince of Persia who RESISTED Micheal for 21 days in Dan. chapter 10 was Apollyon the Destroyer, his job was to Destroy Israel He was placed in the pit during the 2000 some odd year church age and whilst Israel was as Dead Men's Bones. He will be released at the first Woe and will then kill the Two-witnesses at the 2nd Woe as a SPIRIT......God can kill men as a SPIRIT right ? He needs no body, just the authority from God to do so.

                  Yes agree. I see the second beast man + spirit.

                  I don't see this happening until the 3.5 years of the first beast is over. Could be wrong here but it does appear the beast would not come up from the pit until the 2Ws are finished. Would he come up earlier and wait to kill them?

                  First beast 1----1260

                  Second beast 1260----1335
                  The Second Beast of Rev. 13 is a Jewish High Priest, like unto Jason whom Antiochus appointed High Priest via a bribe, Jason's real nae was Yeshua he tried to Hellenize the Jews leading to the Maccabean Revolt. Onias III was Jasons' brother, a pious High Priest who Antiochus killed. So hes a Jewish High Priest who the Anti-Christ appoints to BEAST over Relugin,not any part of the Government per se.

                  There is no Beast until 1260, he becomes the Beast by Conquering Israel/Jerusalem......the False Prophet is a Jewish High Priest BEFORE he becomes THE BEAST over Religion. He TAKES the Sacrifice away {forbids Jesus worship} at the 1290, which is 30 days BEFORE the 1260, and the 1335 is 45 days BEFORE the 1290.

                  The 1335 is the Two-witnesses showing up 1335 days BEFORE the Second Coming ENDS these Wonders.

                  The 1290 is the False Prophet FORBIDDING the Jews who repented via the Two-witnesses from worshiping Jesus {THE SACRIFICE} in the Temple and PLACES the AoD in the Temple.

                  The 1260 is the Beast Conquering the Holy peoples {Jews}. Thus the Jews WHO REPENTED know via the AoD that they need to Flee Judea just like Jesus stated in Matthew 24, and they know it via the New Testament that they use to not be able to read and via the Two-witnesses of course. The AoD and the taking away of THE SACRIFICE {Jesus} is the SIGN to Flee.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by marty fox View Post

                    Satan became Gods enemy in the garden of eve when God cursed him.

                    In exodus the destroyer is working with God
                    But wait, if the destroyer is Apollon and is found in the pit then the one working with God in Exodus is evil.

                    In Job we see God used/allowed Lucifer to smote Job with boils for his purpose. So likewise in Exodus God uses the destroyer (evil one) to carrying out his purpose.

                    The destroyer in Exodus is not good and the one being in the pit bad. They both need to be bad as they are the same. Can there be a good destroyer and a bad destroyer?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

                      But wait, if the destroyer is Apollon and is found in the pit then the one working with God in Exodus is evil.

                      In Job we see God used/allowed Lucifer to smote Job with boils for his purpose. So likewise in Exodus God uses the destroyer (evil one) to carrying out his purpose.

                      The destroyer in Exodus is not good and the one being in the pit bad. They both need to be bad as they are the same. Can there be a good destroyer and a bad destroyer?
                      Or the destroyer was on Gods side in Exodus time and turned against God later like satan did.

                      In Job it says that satan harmed Job but in exodus it says that The Lord harmed them through the destroyer

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                        Firstly we can say that flesh cannot come up from the pit.
                        Of course it can. Satan and all angels have flesh bodies just not human flesh.
                        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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