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  • #46
    Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

    Not that I saw them upon the housetops for a long period of time rather making a point for a supposed 42 months they are away from their house.

    So why would the
    wicked
    need to escape for 42 months from the supposed GT of the beast?
    The wicked aren't the ones Christ said should flee. The fleeing is also from Judea which is essentially the heart of the GT but not from the 42 month GT itself because it will be global and you can't escape that time period but you can get as far from the area of the world where the AC and his armies will be mainly located.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
      I agree they are killed at the end of the 1260 days. But the 1260 days must be completed and killed not beforehand.
      Who told you they are not to be killed until the 1260 days are completed?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

        The GT cannot be 42 months in duration...…


        17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

        Do they stay on their roofs for 42 months?

        19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

        Do they give suck for 42 months? After 42 months child does not needs suck.

        20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

        Is winter 42 months long? Over 3.5 year summers appears ever 6 months for everyone.


        The GT are the vials of the wrath of God and come after the 42 month reign of the AC, Godf himself will shortened the days so that flesh will be saved (ie spared). Why would "flesh" need to be saved? We know flesh and blood can't enter into the kingdom...… flesh is saved for the wedding feast!!!! Flesh of animals for us. The flesh of the wicked are saved for the birds. You have heard the expression...…"for the birds" right.
        We agree that the vials of the wrath of God come after the 42 month reign of AC.
        Do we also agree that the 42 month reign of AC starts at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week, when sacrifice ceases and the abomination of desolation is set up?
        Do you understand what others have stated, that the abomination causes the flight at a very specific time, which time then continues for 3.5 years?

        It's not God's plan that everyone on earth should die before he comes. He would not have anyone to rule over for 1000 years if everyone was dead when he arrived.
        Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom in heaven. God will reign on earth as king over flesh and blood.
        During the wrath of God, the flesh of the wicked will be fed to the birds.
        There is no mention of how long it takes for God to pour out the 7 vials of wrath.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
          Why would the wicked need to escape for 42 months from the supposed GT of the beast?


          Those in the field and those upon the housetops are fleeing to the mountains. Their not escaping rather "fleeing" to the mountains......

          Are not "them" in Matt 24 the same below in Rev?

          Matt 24

          16
          Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

          Rev 6

          15
          And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
          16
          And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

          Hence those wicked in Matt 24 which fled to the mountains are now hiding in the same mountains from the wrath of the Lamb.
          The Jews are instructed to flee into the wilderness where they will be supernaturally protected for the 42 months of the beast.

          Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
          Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


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          • #50
            Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
            The wicked aren't the ones Christ said should flee. The fleeing is also from Judea which is essentially the heart of the GT but not from the 42 month GT itself because it will be global and you can't escape that time period but you can get as far from the area of the world where the AC and his armies will be mainly located.
            Thanks for correcting the misconception that the GT will be exclusive to Israel. And also for pointing out that it is believing Jews that will heed the warning to flee for succour in the wilderness (Rev 12:14).

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            • #51
              Originally posted by 6paths View Post


              Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom in heaven.
              The bible never says flesh and blood cannot enter heaven nor the kingdom of God. It only says flesh and blood cannot INHERIT the kingdom.
              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Trivalee View Post

                Who told you they are not to be killed until the 1260 days are completed?
                3
                And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

                7
                And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

                It's pretty clear if you want to see it my friend.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by 6paths View Post

                  Do we also agree that the 42 month reign of AC starts at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week, when sacrifice ceases and the abomination of desolation is set up?
                  No. I see the 70 weeks as literal 490 days. The 70th week as a seven day period.

                  Do you understand what others have stated, that the abomination causes the flight at a very specific time, which time then continues for 3.5 years?
                  No. This is based on a misinterpretation of Dan 12. (and above thinking the 70th week is seven years)

                  11
                  And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

                  What the verse is really say is between the sacrifice taken away and the abomination are 1260 days.

                  Sacrifice taken away ------ 1260 days ------- AOD

                  Not this....

                  Sacrifice taken away/AOD --------1260 days -----?

                  If you interpret is as above what event defines the ending of the 1260 days?

                  So Matt 24:4 start the reign of the son of perdition, 3.5 years.

                  Matt 24:15 then concludes the 1260 days and then the AOD which brings about God's wrath.

                  Ask yourself does there really look like 42 months is able to happen after verse 15? No.

                  It's not God's plan that everyone on earth should die before he comes. He would not have anyone to rule over for 1000 years if everyone was dead when he arrived.
                  Well everyone will be dead after he arrives. There is no 1000 years.

                  Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom in heaven. God will reign on earth as king over flesh and blood.
                  God will reign over flesh in eternity.

                  During the wrath of God, the flesh of the wicked will be fed to the birds.
                  Agree.


                  There is no mention of how long it takes for God to pour out the 7 vials of wrath.
                  Well it will start after the AOD and the ending of the 1260 days. Then there are another 30 to scatter the holy people per Dan 12. Thus that would leave the time between 1290 and 1335, 45 days to pour out the vials.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Trivalee View Post

                    The Jews are instructed to flee into the wilderness where they will be supernaturally protected for the 42 months of the beast.
                    Scripture rev 7 says they are sealed and protected not that they are whisked away.....

                    Also scripture shows us these Jews (144,000) in fact are killed.

                    Rev 14

                    1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

                    2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
                    3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne,
                    and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

                    Rev 15

                    Only the 144,000 could sing this song and notice in chapter 15 they got victory thru death over the beast not defiling themselves with the woman. Glass mingled with fire ie blood.


                    2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

                    3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb,


                    Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
                    Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent
                    The woman is not a mass of Jewish people. The woman is in heaven and goes to earth (wilderness), not from earth to a wilderness. People do not come down from heaven in Rev 12.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

                      The wicked aren't the ones Christ said should flee.
                      16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

                      So then the following applies all to the same group. So in the following to Christ speaking to believers? Would he say "Woe" to them? No so then all would have to apply the unbelievers.

                      17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
                      18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
                      19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
                      20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

                      So what is really going on here? What you have is the AOD has just occurred and now God is angry. The people have been celebrating and deceived in thinking God himself is before them.

                      Why are they on their housetops?

                      5
                      And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the
                      Lord
                      , and that swear by Malcham;

                      They are worshipping whom thay think is the host of heaven (AOD) but then realize there is trouble in river city...

                      Why are they in the field?

                      Beacuse they going about the busness of the day harvesting the crops and animals for the king. But again will realize trouble coming and have to flee.

                      And why woe unto then with child?

                      Well with child and or small child giving suck will make it much difficult. But why with child mentioned? Because many were marrying and giving unto marriage in celegration of the King and thus child are born in mass.

                      Why pray that this not happen in winter nor on the sabbath?

                      This tells me that this wrath of God will come in the winter and on the sabbath. Again winter making it more difficult and if on the sabbath your in the city with many people making the fleeing more difficultto flee in time.

                      Here we see the end result of these folks fleeing.....

                      16
                      Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

                      15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
                      16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
                      17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



                      The fleeing is also from Judea which is essentially the heart of the GT but not from the 42 month GT itself because it will be global and you can't escape that time period but you can get as far from the area of the world where the AC and his armies will be mainly located.
                      Understand at this point in time the population is centered around this woman, this city which can sustain life. There is no USA, Russia ect at this point. Population is centered around Judea region, people flee the city as God's wrath destroys Babylon this city.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

                        The bible never says flesh and blood cannot enter heaven nor the kingdom of God. It only says flesh and blood cannot INHERIT the kingdom.
                        1 Cor 15
                        47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
                        48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
                        49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
                        50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

                        When we are glorified in the flesh, we will fully inherit the kingdom.

                        What does that mean to you?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

                          No. I see the 70 weeks as literal 490 days. The 70th week as a seven day period.



                          No. This is based on a misinterpretation of Dan 12. (and above thinking the 70th week is seven years)

                          11
                          And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

                          What the verse is really say is between the sacrifice taken away and the abomination are 1260 days.

                          Sacrifice taken away ------ 1260 days ------- AOD

                          Not this....

                          Sacrifice taken away/AOD --------1260 days -----?

                          If you interpret is as above what event defines the ending of the 1260 days?


                          There are 2 things that end the 1260 days.
                          1 There will be no more Gentiles ruling in Jerusalem Rev 11:2.
                          2 The death of the 2 witnesses Rev 11:3,7

                          Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                          So Matt 24:4 start the reign of the son of perdition, 3.5 years.

                          Matt 24:15 then concludes the 1260 days and then the AOD which brings about God's wrath.


                          If what you say it true, then the end of God's wrath is Matt 24:29, correct?

                          To me, the same set of signs in Matt 24:29 appears before the great day of God's wrath in Rev 6.
                          Immediately after the tribulation (God's wrath?) Matt 24:29, there are signs in the sun, moon, and stars.
                          Immediately after the earthquake Rev 6:12-13, the signs in the sun, moon, and stars are found here that are in Matt 24:29.

                          If your theory is correct, how can "the great day of his wrath" come (Rev 6:17) after his wrath had already ended prior to the signs in the sun, moon and stars?

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                          Ask yourself does there really look like 42 months is able to happen after verse 15? No.

                          Your theory is plausible in regard to this.

                          Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                          Well everyone will be dead after he arrives. There is no 1000 years.


                          I take as much as I can to be literal. Rev 20 mentions 1000 years which I believe is literal. If he reigns for 1000 years.
                          1 Cor 15
                          22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
                          23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
                          24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
                          25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

                          26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
                          27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
                          28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

                          What is your interpretation of verses 24 and 25 above if that is not the 1000 years?


                          Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                          God will reign over flesh in eternity.


                          I agree. There will be a new Genesis. God will rule over sinless man as with Adam and Eve. However, just like Adam and Eve, sin and death will come into the the new earth. Is 65
                          17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
                          18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
                          19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
                          20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                            3
                            And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

                            7
                            And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

                            It's pretty clear if you want to see it my friend.
                            My bad, I didn't know you were referring to the Witnesses. I thought you were referring to Israel. My apologies.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                              The bible never says flesh and blood cannot enter heaven nor the kingdom of God. It only says flesh and blood cannot INHERIT the kingdom.
                              Please elaborate on the difference between the two?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                                Scripture rev 7 says they are sealed and protected not that they are whisked away.....

                                Also scripture shows us these Jews (144,000) in fact are killed.

                                Rev 14

                                1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

                                2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
                                3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne,
                                and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

                                Rev 15

                                Only the 144,000 could sing this song and notice in chapter 15 they got victory thru death over the beast not defiling themselves with the woman. Glass mingled with fire ie blood.


                                2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

                                3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb,
                                I was referring to Christ' warning in Matt 24:15 that the Jews should flee when they see the AoD set up.

                                The woman is not a mass of Jewish people. The woman is in heaven and goes to earth (wilderness), not from earth to a wilderness. People do not come down from heaven in Rev 12.
                                You are wrong because the woman represents Israel.

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