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  • Where were the angels cast to in Rev 12? Earth or Hell?

    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


    So follow the logic, most say here in Rev 12 the dragon is cast "to" the earth when the scriptures clearly state "into" the earth. But how about the angels? Are we to think that they were cast to the earth as well?


    Would not these following scriptures describe this event?

    4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


    Does not the 5th trumpet show us the dragon and his angels (locusts) in Hell

    Fallen angels

    3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

    The dragon

    11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.



    Thus if the angels were cast to Hell then the dragon was cast to hell here in rev12 proving Satan is in the pit prior to the second coming. Is this not what we see in Rev 9 both the dragon and his angels in the pit?

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    Where were the angels cast to in Rev 12? Earth or Hell?

    Yesterday, 09:53 AM
    Earth.





    Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
    Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.


    His angels were cast out with Satan so they are with him on the Earth as he tries to persecute the Woman.






    Would not these following scriptures describe this event?

    4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    No. It is well known that is an earlier event that already happened. Iot's a reference to Gen 6.



    Thus if the angels were cast to Hell then the dragon was cast to hell here in rev12 proving Satan is in the pit prior to the second coming.
    When Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven, the pit is locked. It is not until the 5th trump that God sends the angel who has the key to the pit to open it. At that point Satan and his angels can enter and exit the pit being that it is open. The next time the angel with the key is mentioned he will imprison Satan in the pit for a thousand years. His angels aren't mentioned any further in Revelation but they would be locked there with him and will suffer the same fate he does.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post


      Earth.
      But the text here says INTO.

      Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


      His angels were cast out with Satan so they are with him on the Earth as he tries to persecute the Woman.
      I wonder what it will be like have a miriad of demonic angels flying around for 3.5 years???

      The only reference of demonic angels (locusts) are those coming up from the pit.

      No. It is well known that is an earlier event that already happened. Iot's a reference to Gen 6.
      Can't it not and are they not the same angels Gen 6 and Rev 12? Are there two sets of angels. The text says they sinned back then but does not say they were thrown into the pit at that time.



      When Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven,
      Other than rev 12 where does it describe them getting kicked out of heaven?



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      • #4


        But the text here says INTO.

        Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
        Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
        Do you only study one verse and not the rest? That's the Greek word "ice and is the same exact word translated "unto" here:


        Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

        Both verses are only saying he was cast to the Earth not inside of the Earth.



        Other than rev 12 where does it describe them getting kicked out of heaven?
        The 3rd trump shows Satan being cast out but it doesn't mention the angels that are cast out with him.
        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post



          Do you only study one verse and not the rest? That's the Greek word "ice and is the same exact word translated "unto" here:


          Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

          Both verses are only saying he was cast to the Earth not inside of the Earth.
          Note sure where you get your Greek.....

          Strong's Concordance
          eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
          Original Word: εἰς
          Part of Speech: Preposition
          Transliteration: eis
          Phonetic Spelling: (ice)
          Definition: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
          Usage: into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, among.

          So actually it is reverse. The first use is correct "into" as entering a place. The second use as they translated "unto" is to be understood as "towards". Thus the dragon can both be cast towards the earth and then into the earth. Now we can confirm this by the following verse.

          12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

          Who are the inhabitors of the sea? Those in the pit, Hell. The devil has not only come down to the earth but into the depths of the earth. Thus the dragon is cast unto (towards) the earth and INTO the earth evidence by visiting those in the sea, hell..







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          • #6
            Note sure where you get your Greek.....
            You know what I meant. I simply copied and pasted the wrong part.



            Who are the inhabitors of the sea? Those in the pit, Hell. The devil has not only come down to the earth but into the depths of the earth. Thus the dragon is cast unto (towards) the earth and INTO the earth evidence by visiting those in the sea, hell..
            The reference is to people in ships not in the bottom of the oceans. Satan and his angels are cast to the Earth, nothing more. The pit is locked at that time so they can't enter it at that time.
            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post

              The reference is to people in ships not in the bottom of the oceans.
              I know you dont really believe this..... anyway the pit is under the sea beneath the earth.



              The pit is locked at that time so they can't enter it at that time.
              Question,,, when is this guy cast into the pit? it was not gen 6.

              7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.



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              • #8
                anyway the pit is under the sea beneath the earth.

                "I know you dont really believe this"





                Question,,, when is this guy cast into the pit? it was not gen 6.
                Revelation 20.


                7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
                IMO The beast entered the pit when it was opened.

                James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post


                  "I know you dont really believe this"
                  John sees a beast rising up from the sea, hell. His abode faced west and the path to the seashore would have had him looking over the sea to the west. At one time the land mass was one piece with a center eye of water. In this center has always lied the pit beneath. The lions of delos which was on the other side faced east warding off evil spirits as they understood the pits location. The pit is beneath this water mass inside the earth below.







                  Revelation 20.
                  IMO The beast entered the pit when it was opened.
                  So are you now saying rev 20 correctly occurs before the second coming? As Rev 11 coming up from the pit is before the casting into the pit in Rev 20 per premillinials. ?????

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                  • #10
                    John sees a beast rising up from the sea, hell.

                    Nope. The sea is a different place than hell:



                    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.





                    So are you now saying rev 20 correctly occurs before the second coming?
                    No.



                    As Rev 11 coming up from the pit is before the casting into the pit in Rev 20 per premillinials. ?????

                    Yes.

                    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post


                      Nope. The sea is a different place than hell:



                      Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
                      Right.... but the reference of the sea giving up the dead is implying hell which is beneath the sea. So the sea can give up the dead meaning when hell beneath releases the dead they come up from the earth and thru the sea.







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                      • #12
                        Right.... but the reference of the sea giving up the dead is implying hell which is beneath the sea.
                        That's clearly the opposite of what that is telling us. The dead coming from the sea and coming from hell means they are two different places which proves hell is not under water but is in the ground.
                        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                          hell is not under water but is in the ground.
                          Hell is beneath the water in the ground.....

                          Water
                          Earth
                          Hell

                          Note there is better odds that the earth in which Hell is located is covered by water... ie 2/3 to 1/3.

                          But as I explained previously the location is beneath the Aegean sea wherein John saw the vision of the beast from the pit rising up.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                            hell is not under water but is in the ground.
                            Hell is beneath the water in the ground.....

                            Water
                            Earth
                            Hell

                            Note there is better odds that the earth in which Hell is located is covered by water... ie 2/3 to 1/3.

                            But as I explained previously the location is beneath the Aegean sea wherein John saw the vision of the beast from the pit rising up.

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                            • #15
                              Hell is beneath the water in the ground.....
                              No scripture supports that hell has anything to do with the waters of the seas/oceans. The fact that the dead come out of the sea and out of hell shows they are two different places.

                              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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