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  • Originally posted by divaD View Post


    Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


    Why are you ignoring verse 4? Do you not see that the woman is obviously on the earth at the time, the fact it mentions the earth in this verse? Then look what verse 5 states.

    5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

    Caught up from where? How can it not be the earth? How did the man child end up on the earth unless the woman was on the earth when she delivered the man child? What does any of this have to do with the new Jerusalem?

    Exactly she is on the earth its Mary giving birth to Jesus and the dragon is represented as king Harrod trying to kill Jesus when Jesus was born

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    • Originally posted by divaD View Post


      Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


      Why are you ignoring verse 4? Do you not see that the woman is obviously on the earth at the time, the fact it mentions the earth in this verse? Then look what verse 5 states.

      5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

      Caught up from where? How can it not be the earth? How did the man child end up on the earth unless the woman was on the earth when she delivered the man child? What does any of this have to do with the new Jerusalem?

      For the woman to be on earth in verse 4 means the dragon satanism on earth as well (since the dragon is standing in front of her).

      So why then would satan follow to earth those whom he just cast out of heaven? Furthermore if the dragon is on earth verse 4 then he has to go back up to heaven to battle michael hence it is clear satan had never left heaven until after the battle when he is kicked out.

      Thus if satanism in heaven verse 4 so too is the woman

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      • Originally posted by divaD View Post




        5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

        Caught up from where? How can it not be the earth? How did the man child end up on the earth unless the woman was on the earth when she delivered the man child? What does any of this have to do with the new Jerusalem?

        Well if you think the man child is jesus then you would think the woman is on earth giving birth. I had proven the woman is in heaven when she gives birth. The woman is a city this city is the daughter of zion thus jesus did come from zion in a sense so all possible the woman the city heavenly jerusalem can be on heaven giving birth.

        However I do not agree with that option I see the only reference to a man child in is66 referring to israel. It speaks of a city giving birth to a nation in on day. The woman the daughter of zion jerusalem gives birth to the nation of israel the man child. The birth of the nation explained in ez 37 dry bones from the grave. We see these 144000 caught up to zion in rev 14.

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        • Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

          For the woman to be on earth in verse 4 means the dragon satanism on earth as well (since the dragon is standing in front of her).

          So why then would satan follow to earth those whom he just cast out of heaven? Furthermore if the dragon is on earth verse 4 then he has to go back up to heaven to battle michael hence it is clear satan had never left heaven until after the battle when he is kicked out.

          Thus if satanism in heaven verse 4 so too is the woman
          Before the cross satan could access heaven and earth that changed after the cross

          Satan was in the garden and on the earth in the book of Job

          Job 1:6
          6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and [e]Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to [f]Satan, “From where do you come?”

          So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”


          Who did satan cast out of heaven?

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          • Originally posted by divaD View Post


            What does any of this have to do with the new Jerusalem?

            So did not christ go prepare a place for us? Well this place is a heavenly city a heavenly jerusalem. He has built her and adorned her. This woman in rev 12 is this city. The woman in rev 17 is also this city and the city in rev 21 is also this same woman. One woman one city.

            Satan understand s he must get her out of heaven to earth whereby he can marry her and have her commit fornication. He knows if he is going to pull off deceiving the world it must be from this city and no other.

            So then why would this city that christ has built already. Then need to be called new? She is called new as do to her fornication she needs to be purified by fire a made aanew. Like all of us.

            Just read though the loads of scripture of how jerusalem has become a who're and played the harlot.

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            • Originally posted by marty fox View Post



              Who did satan cast out of heaven?
              The stars of heaven


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              • Originally posted by ross3421 View Post

                The stars of heaven

                Michael and his angels actually cast satan and his fallen angels (the stars) out of heaven when it states the dragons taiL swepted the stars out of heaven it means that because of him they were cast out because he convinced them to side with him

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                • Originally posted by marty fox View Post

                  Before the cross satan could access heaven and earth that changed after the cross
                  It didn't change after the cross. It only changed when Satan lost the war in heaven which was long after the cross.

                  James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                  • Originally posted by marty fox View Post

                    Michael and his angels actually cast satan and his fallen angels (the stars) out of heaven when it states the dragons taiL swepted the stars out of heaven it means that because of him they were cast out because he convinced them to side with him
                    No, the drawing 1/3 of stars happens LONG before the war in heaven when Satan and his angels were cast out for good.

                    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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