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  • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

    Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
    The decree of Artaxerxes was issued to the administrators in the autumn of 458bc. Ezra 7 describes the decree and verses 8 and 9 give the date he arrived in Jerusalem. Then Ezra 8:36 then mentions the delivery of the decree. Ezra 10:9 gives the date of the later gathering of Israel. So the decree was issued to the administrators between those two dates, which historians confirm is the autumn of 458BC.

    Add 483 years to the issuing of the decree we get to the autumn of 26AD, which is the date that Jesus was baptised in the Jordan, starting his ministry. This occurred at week 62. After the 62 weeks he is cut off as you mention. Yes, exactly 3.5 years later in the 30ad crucifixion he was cut off.

    So from the coming of the anointed one in the Jordan river, until the cutting off was 3.5 years. When Jesus came , he affirmed God's promise to Israel to send the Messiah. 3.5 years later Jesus was the final sacrificial lamb, putting an end to spiritually acceptable sacrifices for sin, Jesus was the final sacrifice for all mankind (ref Hebrews).

    So the anointed one came at 62 weeks, and confirmed God's covenant promise to Israel. Then 3.5 years later the anointed one was crucified, and cut off, putting an end to sacrifice.
    Thank you for reciting what others have recited. It also doesn't tie into Dan 9.
    In what way did the decree of Artaxerxes differe from the decree of Darius? Or from the decree of Cyrus. In what way did Artaxerxes decree the rebuilding of Jerusalem?
    As I stated there was a decree, but it doesn't fit the prophecy - that decree was issued in 458 / 7 BC.
    Further Jesus wasn't baptised in the Jordan in 26 AD. The timing doesn't fit for when He was born. The problem for everyone that thinks Jesus was born in 5 or 4 BC is that this contradicts scripture and KNOWN facts. There was different Governor of Syria from 7 - 4 BC. Further Herod died in 1 BC (though this is arguable).
    Further Jesus didn't die in 30 AD as that doesn't fit, though tradition may suggest it.

    Again you claim 69 weeks, NOT 62 weeks as the angel states. What does the first 7 weeks point to? Those who hold your timing have no answer.

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    • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

      Originally posted by ForHisglory View Post
      Thank you for reciting what others have recited. It also doesn't tie into Dan 9.
      In what way did the decree of Artaxerxes differe from the decree of Darius? Or from the decree of Cyrus. In what way did Artaxerxes decree the rebuilding of Jerusalem?
      As I stated there was a decree, but it doesn't fit the prophecy - that decree was issued in 458 / 7 BC.
      Further Jesus wasn't baptised in the Jordan in 26 AD. The timing doesn't fit for when He was born. The problem for everyone that thinks Jesus was born in 5 or 4 BC is that this contradicts scripture and KNOWN facts. There was different Governor of Syria from 7 - 4 BC. Further Herod died in 1 BC (though this is arguable).
      Further Jesus didn't die in 30 AD as that doesn't fit, though tradition may suggest it.

      Again you claim 69 weeks, NOT 62 weeks as the angel states. What does the first 7 weeks point to? Those who hold your timing have no answer.
      Sorry I misunderstood your question regarding the 62 weeks. The first 7 weeks points to the completion of the walls 7x7=49 years after 458BC. I cant verify this historically, I can only assume they were completed in 409BC. Then 62 weeks later , at year 483 Jesus was baptised in the Jordan.

      The wording of the Artaxerxes decree is not an exact fit, but the implications and results fit perfectly. The decree ends the Babylonian exile because ALL Jews are given permission to leave. It makes available vast finance for the use of the temple from all the authorities in the region. With this finance Ezra could do as he pleased regarding the restoration of the temple and the city.

      The bible does not give an exact date for the Jordan event, but its pretty clear that John the Baptist started his ministry in 26AD (Luke 3:1 in the 15th year of Tiberius) and its also clear that Jesus' first Passover of his ministry was in the spring of 27AD (John 2:20 46th year of the rebuilding of the temple) and so it was inbetween those two events. Given the recorded activity of John and Jesus in that year, autumn is the most likely season for the baptism to give them both enough time to do everything recorded before and after the baptism.

      Knowing from history that the 46th year of rebuilding occurred in 27AD, the gospels only show 3 further Passovers of Jesus' ministry placing the crucifixion in the spring of 30AD. 3.5 years after starting his ministry.

      It all fits.

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      • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

        Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
        Not everything was revealed to the apostles. And not everything that was revealed was written down. Many times in Acts these early Christians were convincing the unsaved Jews about Jesus from the scriptures but Acts does not record the fulllness of the arguments used. Additionally history and dates were not as well known back then, the historical timeline is more complete now because of the extent of integration of various studies about the history of the Middle East. Its entirely possible they did not know that Daniel 9 was also supporting the dating of the coming of the Messiah.
        Matthew would not of missed Jesus fufilling any of the 70 weeks his book was written to the jews and it would of helped prove who Jesus was.

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        • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

          Originally posted by DurbanDude View Post
          Sorry I misunderstood your question regarding the 62 weeks. The first 7 weeks points to the completion of the walls 7x7=49 years after 458BC. I cant verify this historically, I can only assume they were completed in 409BC.
          Incorrect - you are so far off it is untrue and we can verify it historically through the book of Nehemiah. In fact the walls were completed in 445 / 444 BC.
          So your assumption is wrong, AND it is the best attempt yet to try to connect something with what is stated in the prophecy.

          The wording of the Artaxerxes decree is not an exact fit, but the implications and results fit perfectly. The decree ends the Babylonian exile because ALL Jews are given permission to leave. It makes available vast finance for the use of the temple from all the authorities in the region. With this finance Ezra could do as he pleased regarding the restoration of the temple and the city.
          Sorry, but have you read Ezra? Artaxerxes decree is basically the same as that of Darius and of Cyrus. The Babylonian exile ended in 536 / 5 BC when Cyrus made the first decree. Cyrus also made provision for the rebuilding of Jeruslaem, which neither Darius nor Artaxerxes did.
          Further scripture states the following in regards to Cyrus:
          Isa 44:28 who says of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd, and he shall fulfill all my purpose'; saying of Jerusalem, 'She shall be built,' and of the temple, 'Your foundation shall be laid.'"

          That is what God says of Cyrus. Something to ponder upon. There is much more which demonstrates it is Cyrus who is the fulfilment of part of the 70 weeks.

          The bible does not give an exact date for the Jordan event, but its pretty clear that John the Baptist started his ministry in 26AD (Luke 3:1 in the 15th year of Tiberius)
          The 15th year of Tiberius is 29 / 30 AD.
          It was a theologian about 130 years ago I believe who suggested the alternate date. The problem is it doesn't match with how the Romans counted Tiberius' reign and requires some fudging of dates. Not something thta should be laid at any gospel writers door.
          Further Luke states this:
          Luk 2:1 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.
          Luk 2:2 This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
          Luk 2:3 And all went to be registered, each to his own town.

          Quirinius was Governor of Syria (could be whist Quirinius was in the legislature / government of Syria). Well when did that happen? It wasn't in between 7 and 4 BC. We KNOW 100% from historical records who was governor then. We laso know where Quirinius was. He was fighting in the Galatian mountains. So this causes a bit of a problem for Jesus to be born around 5 or 4 BC.
          The main reason for proposing that date was that Herod was considered to have died in 4 BC based upon Josephus.
          However astronomical data shows that the event tied into Herod's death actually occurred in 1 BC (whihc was a full eclipse as opposed to partial in 4 BC)

          and its also clear that Jesus' first Passover of his ministry was in the spring of 27AD (John 2:20 46th year of the rebuilding of the temple) and so it was inbetween those two events. Given the recorded activity of John and Jesus in that year, autumn is the most likely season for the baptism to give them both enough time to do everything recorded before and after the baptism.
          Knowing from history that the 46th year of rebuilding occurred in 27AD, the gospels only show 3 further Passovers of Jesus' ministry placing the crucifixion in the spring of 30AD. 3.5 years after starting his ministry.
          It all fits.
          So IF the 46th year was 27 AD then it means the rebuilding started in 20 BC?
          Joh 2:20 The Jews then said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?"

          Now what dowe know about when Herod came to the throne?
          Well according to Josephus it was 37 / 36 BC.
          He mentions two consuls who ruled through 37 BC AND that it was exactly 27 years since Jerusalem fell to Pompey (which was 63 BC). So this puts Herod's reign starting in 36 BC. It is also interesting to note hat Josephus has Herod reigning for 34 years AFTER conquering Jerusalem, which would put Herod's death as 2 / 1 BC. Yet I already noted many need Herod to die in 4 BC thus requiring Jesus to be born BEFORE then so Jesus was born in 6 / 5 BC and thus baptised in 26 AD.
          Further it is to be noted that Herod only started building the temple 18 years AFTER He conquered Jerusalem. (It can't be 18 years from when he was proclaimed king by Rome as that would mean he started building the temple in 22 / 21 BC, which would then have Jesus answering in 25 AD.
          So the temple is started in 19 / 18 BC. Count from there 46 years and you come to 28 / 29 AD for the 46th year. But of course they had completed 46 years, so were now in the 47th year and that leads to 29 / 30 AD, when Jesus celebrates His first ministry Passover.

          So we find that there are holes all over with the count of 62 weeks from some unknown event, yet which is prophesied specifically AND it doesn't match certain dates which we KNOW are impossible, due to clear statements in scripture when put against the historic record.

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          • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

            Originally posted by marty fox View Post
            I must be missing something here.

            Were was the claim of Jesus fufilling any part of the 70 weeks?

            The gospels use the term "this was to fufill what was written".
            There is no requirement for the Gospels to write that term. Matthew and John used that term, but Luke NEVER did. So Luke notes that Jesus was proclaimed Messiah & Lord at His birth. This matches exactly what is declared in Dan 9.

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            • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

              I posted this in another thread and thought it might be useful here as well...

              The 70 weeks ended with Stephen's death, the first Christian martyr, 3.5 years after the crucifixion. So Jesus died the middle of the last week and it ended with Stephen. That was the final transgression and earthly Israel was doomed because of it. The Lord gave all individual Jews exactly 40 years after that to personally repent. Alas only 144,000 of the original 12 tribes were ultimately sealed before the complete destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.

              Watch this video to the very end and it explains it in detail:
              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAhQ-xY-rAp

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              • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

                Originally posted by Durantony View Post
                I posted this in another thread and thought it might be useful here as well...

                The 70 weeks ended with Stephen's death, the first Christian martyr, 3.5 years after the crucifixion. So Jesus died the middle of the last week and it ended with Stephen. That was the final transgression and earthly Israel was doomed because of it. The Lord gave all individual Jews exactly 40 years after that to personally repent. Alas only 144,000 of the original 12 tribes were ultimately sealed before the complete destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.

                Watch this video to the very end and it explains it in detail:
                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAhQ-xY-rAp
                If so wouldn't you think that there would be some NT backing for this like there was in the verses below?

                John 19:24
                24 “Let’s not tear it,” they said to one another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.”

                This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled that said,

                “They divided my clothes among them
                and cast lots for my garment.”

                So this is what the soldiers did.

                John 19:34-37
                34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”[c] 37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.

                There is no NT backing to Jesus fulfilling any of the 70 weeks

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                • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

                  Originally posted by marty fox View Post
                  If so wouldn't you think that there would be some NT backing for this like there was in the verses below?

                  John 19:24
                  24 “Let’s not tear it,” they said to one another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.”

                  This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled that said,

                  “They divided my clothes among them
                  and cast lots for my garment.”

                  So this is what the soldiers did.

                  John 19:34-37
                  34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”[c] 37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.

                  There is no NT backing to Jesus fulfilling any of the 70 weeks
                  Please watch the video at the link I provided. It's pretty informative.

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                  • Re: The 70 weeks of Daniel is fulfilled and was a long time ago

                    The 70 weeks are all future a 490 day period

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