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  • Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

    Daniel 7 contains several different visions in it.
    What is to be noted is that you can't use a beast mentioned in verse 7 as the 4th great sea beast. Verse 7 has started to tell us about events in a new vision. What seems to me to have happened is that right after Daniel told us about the four wings of a fowl, he tells us - the beast - had also four heads. If Daniel was just adding to remarks as to the first mentioning of the leopard then why not use "it" when adding more details, as he had done with the other earlier seen sea beasts? Instead, Daniel repeats "the beast". I say that the leopard came up with four wings of a fowl- then came up as still that way; but now with four heads.
    Does anyone have something to give more details as to what an interlinear shows or such for the words "the beast" and "had also"?

    These great beasts are four kings.
    Then he was told the one beast with ten horns is a kingdom.

    I believe that Daniel saw eight beasts that night in two different visions.
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    Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

    How many heads does the goat have in Daniel 8?

    the great horn/between eyes = first king

    So the goat has one head.
    On the head is the great horn.
    That horn wars and is broken.
    For that horn comes up four other horns- as on that same one head.
    They did not become four heads.

    The goat only had one head.

    Daniel's 7's leopard rises two times.
    with one head /long-ago days of the Greek kingdom
    then with four heads/latter days of the Greek kingdom

    Daniel 8 shows that the little horn comes right out of one of the four-wind horns, so this would have to show us a latter empire. They can't both exist at the same time.
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      Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

      Since the Daniel 8 goat only had one head. To gain more heads, you would have to bring in another goat.
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        Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

        Daniel sees 4 beasts, all different, and then gives an explanation on each one.
        If Daniel saw 2 loepards, then he would have seen 5 beasts rise out of the sea.
        And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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          Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

          Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
          Daniel sees 4 beasts, all different, and then gives an explanation on each one.
          If Daniel saw 2 loepards, then he would have seen 5 beasts rise out of the sea.
          At verse 7 a new vision started. Daniel made visions plural there, and added other details that he had already told us. such as - in the night and diverse

          When the angel explains what Daniel saw, he told him about four kings and a fourth kingdom.
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            Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

            Hi
            Dan continues to look at the 4 beasts and in verse 7 he explains the 4th one he is looking at.
            verse 6 shows the 3rd one
            verse 5 ,the 2nd one
            v 4 , the first one.
            And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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            • #7
              Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

              Originally posted by vinsight4u8
              What is to be noted is that you can't use a beast mentioned in verse 7 as the 4th great sea beast.
              After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong.

              These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth.

              Then I desired to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the rest, exceedingly terrifying.

              Thus he said: 'As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth.'



              This is purely awful exegesis if you're going to claim that the beast of the verse 7 is not 'the fourth great sea beast' when it says it is four times that it was the 'fourth beast'.
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              • #8
                Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                Daniel changed to "visions" and tells us again that is in the night. The great sea beast were already all seen in the first vision of this night. Now Daniel sees a smaller beast - a fourth and it is a kingdom. The four great beasts were kings. Verse 13 is when another vision began, and Daniel again repeats that it is in the night.
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                  Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                  Other things to notice in Daniel 7 are )

                  Daniel if he had seen four heads on the leopard at first, then wouldn't he have mentioned that before telling us about four wings?

                  Why didn't Daniel use "it" as he referred to the leopard all the time, as he had done with the other previously seen beasts?
                  Before Daniel wrote about the four heads, he wrote "the beast".
                  Other times he had just kept describing the other beasts as "it".

                  Daniel told us at the start of chapter 7 that he had seen visions, and that he would tell us the sum of the matters.

                  Daniel had already told us that the sea beasts were diverse.
                  With verse 7 he has seen more beasts by then, so he must again let us know as t if they are diverse.
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                    Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                    Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                    Daniel sees 4 beasts, all different, and then gives an explanation on each one.
                    If Daniel saw 2 loepards, then he would have seen 5 beasts rise out of the sea.
                    KJV
                    Daniel 7:1
                    In the first year of Belshazzar...visions...upon his bed...told the sum of the matters.

                    - So we are aware this is going to be about more than one vision.
                    Daniel saw these visions in the night hours - as upon his bed.
                    Daniel will not give us the blow by blow details, but only a summary of it all.

                    Daniel 7:2
                    Daniel...in my vision by night...
                    7:3
                    And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse from one another..

                    7:7
                    After this..in the night visions...a fourth beast...diverse from all...

                    /Daniel is not in the same vision as before and this fourth beast is diverse to all the others seen before it. But it does not say that all of this set of beasts is diverse from one another.

                    v 19
                    ...of the fourth beast diverse from all the others...

                    -Daniel is showing us that he has seen two sets with four beasts in them.

                    one -the beasts are each diverse
                    the other - only the fourth beast is diverse from the others/This one is the fourth kingdom -not the fourth sea beast king.
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                      Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                      Originally posted by vinsight4u8 View Post
                      Other things to notice in Daniel 7 are )

                      Daniel if he had seen four heads on the leopard at first, then wouldn't he have mentioned that before telling us about four wings?
                      Greece first appeared as a leopard with the reign of its first king....Alexanda. That beast lost alex, and his kingdom was divided among 4 generals. The goat was ruled differently, but the goat remained until ROME took over.
                      And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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                        Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                        Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                        Greece first appeared as a leopard with the reign of its first king....Alexanda. That beast lost alex, and his kingdom was divided among 4 generals. The goat was ruled differently, but the goat remained until ROME took over.
                        The leopard - as the goat in Daniel 8 has one head.
                        That was the time of Alexander the great.

                        then -with him borken
                        Right on the same head where his horn had been came up four other horns.
                        They did come as heads.

                        For the animals - beasts to gain more heads, they would have to come back later as another beast and rise with the number of heads they needed for their kingdom.
                        Daniel 8 shows there will be a latter days time of the Greek kingdom, so now would be when it would rise again as the second leopard seen in Daniel 7. The second leopard - as "the beast" had four heads.

                        four great sea beasts

                        like a
                        lion /with one head
                        bear/with one head
                        leopard /with one head
                        leopard/with four heads
                        /each of these beasts are diverse from each other
                        kings

                        2nd vision of the night
                        a fourth beast
                        diverse from all before it
                        kingdom
                        v23 ...diverse from all kingdoms..

                        3rd vision of the night

                        v 13
                        I saw in the night visions...
                        Last edited by vinsight4u8; Nov 19th 2011, 12:08 AM.
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                          Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                          Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                          Daniel sees 4 beasts, all different, and then gives an explanation on each one.
                          If Daniel saw 2 loepards, then he would have seen 5 beasts rise out of the sea.
                          How many times do you think Daniel needs to tell us something in a chapter?
                          Daniel only needs to tell us once. Such as in Daniel 8: Daniel did not keep saying that he was having a vision and the goat appeared. Daniel told his readers the details one time.

                          KJV

                          Daniel 8:1
                          In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision...

                          ====
                          So this whole chapter should be one complete story from start to finish. One vision begins, it ends, and then is explained.

                          Daniel 8:1 ...a vision appeared...

                          Daniel 7:1 ...visions...told the sum of the matters.

                          7:1
                          ...I saw in my vision...
                          7:7
                          ...I saw in the night visions...

                          ========
                          So before verse 7 can begin, the 4 sea beasts in a vision had to end.

                          v4
                          The first ....like a lion...

                          v5
                          ...a second...like to a bear...

                          v6
                          ...like a leopard...

                          So we can see as you too started to lay out, what three great sea beasts came up-first, second, third. Now, we know that this vision ends in verse 6, and we also find Daniel has written "the beast", so here is the 4th great sea beast. It was seen rising with four heads.

                          The goat in Daniel 8 had only one head. Same thing happened in verse 6, as the leopard rose first with only one head.
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                            Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                            Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                            Greece first appeared as a leopard with the reign of its first king....Alexanda. That beast lost alex, and his kingdom was divided among 4 generals. The goat was ruled differently, but the goat remained until ROME took over.
                            Right, the goat with only one head, just as the leopard with one head remained until Rome took over. If we add more heads to a beast, then it would have to rise again.

                            ex.
                            the lion- had a head
                            the bear-had a head
                            the leopard - had a head - as the goat also had one head
                            These beasts, the lion, bear and leopard came up out of the sea, would go off to their places to rule and the beasts would each have to keep their orignal number of heads. This means the goat can't be out running around and just all of a sudden grow four new heads on itself. Just as the leopard with wings had to rise a second time as "the beast", so it could come back and make an appearance with its time of four heads.
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                              Re: Did Daniel see two leopard beasts in Daniel 7?

                              Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                              Greece first appeared as a leopard with the reign of its first king....Alexanda. That beast lost alex, and his kingdom was divided among 4 generals. The goat was ruled differently, but the goat remained until ROME took over.
                              Right, and the goat has end times prophecy to come. Since the empire was taken down, it would for the end days have to rise again. It will come back but it will have more heads (4 of them).
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