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    America's Golden Calf Is Coming Down
    Excerpts from an article by David Wilkerson
    ". . .Beloved, America is facing God's judgment--and we will never be the same! In the days to come, literally hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose their homes. Why? They've leveraged them with equity loans, so they could play the stock market and try to strike it rich!

    I tell you, the stock market has become America's golden calf! People see it as a financial savior, and they worship it daily--trusting in it, depending on it, giving it all their energy and attention. But it's going to fall suddenly--and none of the small, individual investors will be spared. They'll suffer the most, losing their homes, their cars--everything!

    I must ask you: "Are you prepared for what is coming? If not, are you acting now to get ready? When I speak of being ready, where do your thoughts take you? Do you think immediately of investments, bank accounts, survival plans, safety for your family?"

    Yet, I believe it is much more important today for American Christians to focus on spiritual preparation--before the coming storm hits. Let me tell you why.

    I believe that when the coming storm hits with full fury, and the nation is reeling with panic and fear, people will flee all false gospels and feel-good churches. Christians will forget about gospel entertainment and Christian TV, and they'll start demanding hard truth. They'll flock to hear godly pastors, demanding the true Word of God. Their cry will be, "Who will preach to us a prophetic, life-changing word?"

    Sadly, many charismatic Christians today talk much about being Spirit-filled--but they are totally bankrupt of truth. They're not intimate with Christ--and so they don't know how to draw on His strength in truth. They don't tremble at the truth of His Word. They don't know how to walk in His resurrection power or live wholly dependent on Him. Instead, they twist, manipulate, and misinterpret His Word to accommodate their flesh.

    Many pastors and evangelists today have no interest in seeking the Spirit of truth. They think they can call on the Holy Ghost at any time to come down and sweep away all the powers of hell. But these people won't be prepared for the dark times that are coming?

    The only manifestations we'll see when the storm hits will be men and women falling to their knees in awe and fear of God. They'll be slain by the piercing, convicting, soul-cleansing preaching that comes from the Spirit of truth.

    Indeed, today--while most of America focuses on its prosperity--God is waking a holy remnant in the church. These saints are on their faces, seeking Him with all their strength and crying out for a true Word from the Spirit of truth.

    In recent months, our ministry has received hundreds of letters from pastors and believers who are repulsed by most of what they see in the church: hype, foolishness, entertainment, shallow preaching. They're crying out, "Enough! We're tired of seeing our pastors go to conventions and return only to introduce come new gimmick. We're sick of seeing the flesh accommodated. We're hungry for truth! We want to hear preaching that convicts us and challenges us to holiness and prayer."

    Believer, you can rest assured--in the coming days of calamity, the true revival won't come through showboating, big-time preachers or TV evangelists. It won't come through prosperity teachings or other doctrines of false security. No--God's revival will come through a hidden company of pastors and lay people who have been in the school of Christ, learning His ways and trusting in Him. These will lead a revival of truth!

    Yet not everyone is going to want truth. Many will turn to unbridled lust. Indeed, our society could see Sodom replayed a hundred times over. But, as our nation poises on the brink of chaos, many Americans will begin to seek truth, answers, life.

    As for me, I want to face the coming times as " . . . a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth" II Timothy 2:15

    I urge you: Ask the Lord to prepare you--His way--for the day "America's golden calf" comes down. Seek His Spirit of truth in your secret closet. Learn to recognize His voice above all the worldly clamor going on in His church. Then you'll truly be prepared to face the coming storm.

    http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=306


    Is the stock market America's Golden Calf? Is it wrong to invest in the stock market from a Christian perspective? Is it another form of gambling?



  • #2
    I would certainly agree that our handling of the economy and the stock market in particular have been most unwise, but to go to the extent of calling the stock market a "golden calf" is going a little too far. The problem with the golden calf in Exodus was that the Hebrews were attributing to the golden calf things that had been done by "I Am that I Am", Yahweh.

    Exodus 32:4 - "These are your gods, Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt."

    The Hebrews were pretending that this golden calf was responsible for delivering them from the Egyptians, definitely an act of blatant rebellion against the one true God.

    Whether or not the stock market would be considered "gambling" is a matter of opinion. The idea behind going into a casino and playing the various games they have there is that you are most likely going to lose your money. Most of the time, that is not the case with the stock market. The number of days where the Dow Jones has gone up far outnumber the days where it's fallen.

    If you do consider it "gambling", why weren't you posting this months ago when the Dow Jones was still going higher and higher?
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    • #3
      Though I am not investing in the stock market at this time, I definetly would not even consider judging any Christian who does. I think your judgemental attitude and calling anybody in the stock market an idolator is way over the top.

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      • #4
        Only in America?

        Whilst I can see much of what is said, could well be so. I have to say that the 'world' is bigger then America. It is a 'world wide golden calf'

        [quote]
        Yet, I believe it is much more important today for American Christians to focus on spiritual preparation--before the coming storm hits. Let me tell you why.[quote/]

        Why just American Christians?
        Also should it not be: Christians in America

        [quote]
        Indeed, today--while most of America focuses on its prosperity--God is waking a holy remnant in the church. These saints are on their faces, seeking Him with all their strength and crying out for a true Word from the Spirit of truth.[quote/]

        Would this 'holy remnant' who are on their faces, seeking Him with all their strength and crying out for a true Word from the Spirit of truth, would it only be in America?

        [quote]
        Yet not everyone is going to want truth. Many will turn to unbridled lust. Indeed, our society could see Sodom replayed a hundred times over. But, as our nation poises on the brink of chaos, many Americans will begin to seek truth, answers, life
        [quote/]

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        • #5
          Originally posted by cwb View Post
          Though I am not investing in the stock market at this time, I definetly would not even consider judging any Christian who does. I think your judgemental attitude and calling anybody in the stock market an idolator is way over the top.
          I am new to this forum so it is a pleasure to meet you all.

          I am not judging anyone in the stock market. I merely found the excerpt, thought it was interesting and decided to post it to see what other's thoughts were.

          I myself am invested in the stock market, but only through retirement accounts for the time being.

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          • #6
            CWB - are you talking to David Wilkerson, or the OP? The OP didn't call anyone an idolater.

            Partaker - Since David W. wrote the book to Americans, for Americans, I see no problem with his focusing upon American Christians. That said, the same would apply to Christians worldwide, since this is a worldwide problem.

            I think the point of D.W.'s article is to urge us to focus on Christ, and place our trust in Him, rather than the stock market. I certainly don't see anything wrong with that concept. What WILL people do when the collapse occurs? It would be better to practice trusting God for ALL things now, rather than wait till you're in the swamp to call for a pole.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rookie78 View Post
              I am new to this forum so it is a pleasure to meet you all.

              I am not judging anyone in the stock market. I merely found the excerpt, thought it was interesting and decided to post it to see what other's thoughts were.

              I myself am invested in the stock market, but only through retirement accounts for the time being.
              o.k., I'm sorry. I did not notice that the article you posted was written by someone else. I do feel that the writer of the article should not make a blanket statement like he did and imply that everybody who has anything to do with the stock market is an idolator and making wall street their financial savior. I do not deny there are people who have made the market their god. However, I would venture to say there are also God worshipping Christians who make money in the stock market and use that money to help the poor and spread the gospel.

              As far as it being gambling, again, I do not think you can make a blanket statement here either. Some people who have no idea what they are doing are gambling. Others who know what they are doing and have a good understanding of how the market and economy works are not gambling.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kahtar View Post
                CWB - are you talking to David Wilkerson, or the OP? The OP didn't call anyone an idolater.

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                I did not realize the article was talking written by David Wilkerson. Again I apologize for that.


                I think the point of D.W.'s article is to urge us to focus on Christ, and place our trust in Him, rather than the stock market.
                Sure but why single out the stock market. If somebody puts their trust in their job (whatever job that is) isn't that the same thing? I just felt it was wrong to lump any person who might trade in the stock market in the same camp - as an idolator.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cwb View Post
                  Sure but why single out the stock market. If somebody puts their trust in their job (whatever job that is) isn't that the same thing? I just felt it was wrong to lump any person who might trade in the stock market in the same camp - as an idolator.
                  Certainly the lumping is not good. I think people can trust in God as they invest in the stock market, or trust God in their work, etc. These things don't make one an idolator.

                  But, if a person trusts in their job, their skills, their giftings, the stock market, or their government check and foodstamps INSTEAD of God, they are going to run into big trouble.

                  But, amazingly, when people run out of all other means, when they have nowhere else to go, noone else to turn to, they turn to God. He's always the LAST option. Should be the first.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kahtar View Post
                    Certainly the lumping is not good. I think people can trust in God as they invest in the stock market, or trust God in their work, etc. These things don't make one an idolator.

                    But, if a person trusts in their job, their skills, their giftings, the stock market, or their government check and foodstamps INSTEAD of God, they are going to run into big trouble.

                    But, amazingly, when people run out of all other means, when they have nowhere else to go, noone else to turn to, they turn to God. He's always the LAST option. Should be the first.
                    I definitely agree. God should always be the first place we go - not our last resort.

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                    • #11
                      I do feel that the writer of the article should not make a blanket statement like he did and imply that everybody who has anything to do with the stock market is an idolator and making wall street their financial savior.
                      With all due respect CWB, I don't feel like David Wilkerson said that at all. Just because he says, "America", does not mean that he is pointing out every single American who participates in the stock market, but he is referring to America overall, and I believe America is guilty of this.

                      I would certainly agree that our handling of the economy and the stock market in particular have been most unwise, but to go to the extent of calling the stock market a "golden calf" is going a little too far. The problem with the golden calf in Exodus was that the Hebrews were attributing to the golden calf things that had been done by "I Am that I Am", Yahweh.
                      In my opinion Luke, I would say how is that different than our current situation? Who is responsible for the blessings our nation has received? the prosperity and financial and material riches we possess? It is "I Am that I Am", but we did not credit Him, we credit our economy for making us rich and powerful. We attribute the golden calf (the stock market).

                      And Partaker, I would agree with Kahtar, he is specifically targeting Americans for this message, so even though it may be true for others, (though I think his message is more true of Americans, compared to other nationalities, since he is referring to the American economy) just as past writers, such as Paul in the epistles, he is pointing out a certain group of people for whom the message is particularly pertinent.

                      And when it comes to gambling, it is a tough question to answer. You can say like CWB said...

                      Others who know what they are doing and have a good understanding of how the market and economy works are not gambling.
                      And that is a valid point, but under the same definition you could say betting on sports teams isn't gambling because you have a good understanding of sports, ect..., and what the outcome will be. I would say it is more where your heart is when you do it, though it is definitely a complicated issue.
                      While you are on this site, don't debate to win and prove yourself right, but discuss to learn and find truth, and to encourage through a humble spirit. God Bless

                      Ephesians 4:1-3
                      As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

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                      • #12
                        Depending on the situation, I do not feel that it is a form of gambling, at least not a form of sinful gambling. The main motivator of gambling is greed which we are warned against. If someone invests slowly over time, the main goal is to build up money, yes, but this is not any kind of get rich quick scheme.

                        There are some who are so obsessed with gambling that they risk their own emergency money, child college fund, etc. just to make a quick buck. Most definitely this kind of gambling is sinful.

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                        • #13
                          The way I see it is the ones suffering the most weren't the ones that got us into this mess to start with...so why are they being blamed for it? My heart goes out to those that have lost and will lose their homes...


                          God bless
                          "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                          • #14
                            Well, actually, I would say the ones suffering (from losing their homes) are the ones that got us into this mess, (though there are of course exceptions) they are the ones that irresponsibly bought homes that they couldn't afford, which is the root of most of the economic crisis right now. Don't get me wrong, I do feel sympathy for them, but they brought it upon themselves. There are plenty of people out there that didn't buy more than they could afford. They may have wanted a larger house, but they knew that it was too expensive. They were responsible, and they are now the ones who can keep their houses. Now through all of this God is going to bring the god of America down, so we will have no choice but to rely on God.
                            While you are on this site, don't debate to win and prove yourself right, but discuss to learn and find truth, and to encourage through a humble spirit. God Bless

                            Ephesians 4:1-3
                            As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

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                            • #15
                              The reason America is in the situation it is in is because of greed, selfishness, lack of self-control and an overall turning away from God (and/or Judeo-Christian values). When we began to move away from our foundation (especially in our beliefs regarding origins), our culture lost it's value in human life and has resulted in a materialistic, naturalistic, nihilistic society in general.

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