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    First off....a few years ago I was a regular church-going wife, mom, and employee. I was only mildly interested in end-times topics. Being raised pre-trib, I just assumed that I'd be going about my business one day and poof! I'd be gone with Jesus and did not have to worry about trials.

    Then, I began to study a little, on my own. What I read convinced me to become post-trib, a term I'd never even heard of prior.

    Just about that time I began to see, much more clearly, everything that was going on around me, socially, politically, economically, technologically, etc and realized that the end-times weren't going to happen "someday" they were quickly approaching.

    Back in those days, with some of my research, I began to view 2008 as the year end-time changes would be obvious. But, 2008 was a few years off. I worried over how to prepare....I worried about how badly my Christian family was going to have to suffer before the end. I worried and worried and began to become depressed (yes, yes, I know that is wrong). To be honest, I wanted to go home to be with Jesus. And, I did not worry about what would happen to me. I am not afraid to die for my Savior. But, as a mom, the wife of a wonderful man, a sister, and the daughter of a precious mom and dad, it pains my heart to think of my family being physically harmed. I am only human.

    At any rate, I found that I could not handle all that I knew and all that I saw on the horizon. So, while I stayed active in church and fully Christian, I re-joined life and kept myself from researching all topics that gave me more information that would furthur prove the end was near.

    The past year or so has been busy for me. In addition to my family and my job, I am helping to care for a terminal father, going to college fulltime, and my husband opened a business. The feared 2008 came, and started out gentle. I even chided myself for fearing the year. I had most especially feared mid-2008. And, it came and went peacefully enough.

    And then came the stock market's spiral down....and the government bailout....and Uk's bailout, etc. I started to see socialism and a return to thoughts on a one-world currancy and economy. And, well, I am back!!!

    I do want to go home. I do want to be a soldier for Jesus. I do pray that I am given the strength to do what I am to do during the tribulation. I do know that God is in control.

    But, why am I the only one that I know personally that is alarmed? I live in a rural area, and the member of a Baptist church. Everyone that I know is pre-trib. They aren't worried about a thing. They "know" they are going to be called out of this world at any minute. I have no one to cling to, know one to discuss world events with in person.

    I thank God that I have the board. The moment I saw the tell-tale endtimes signs in the last week or so I ran to the boards, because I knew the folks here had their finger on the pulse of this thing.

    I am left with so many questions still. I turn 40 this year and if I stay in college I will finish my Associates and begin University this Spring in order to become a school teacher...my lifelong dream. I work in a school that is predominately poor and minority children. They need me and I love them. I want to be a teacher to them some day. But, isn't any time spent in college wasted time? If the end is near, God may view my time (25 hrs a week in school in addition to 35 hr work week) as time I should have spent actively gaining souls to him. On the flip side, the apostles thought the end was near 2000 yrs ago. If I quit college and we are still here in 2 years I am going to be mighty mad at myself. Not to mention how hard it has been to study for mid-terms and keep focused on my goal of graduation not knowing if that is a possibility!

    I just wanted to vent a little! And, look for encouragement from like-minded Christians.

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    As a post-tribber, I sympathize with you and your concerns. The global economic meltdown is really setting the stage for a group of billionaires to get together and "rescue" the world, further setting all of us up for the eventual advent of the Beast.

    Although I see all of this, I know that God will use us when then time is right. I have had dreams detailing what He will have me do, but when I called on Him and attempted to start fulfilling what He showed me, He said to me, "wait on My call". That was when I was 22. I am 31 now, and I totally understand why He told me to wait. Since that day @ 22, I have experienced so many things that, if I was going to serve the Lord, I would have been expelled by now. (Most of it would have been my fault).

    My point is this. Do what God has put into your heart to do. Not all of us are meant to be sowers, of reapers. Some of us are meant to be waterers, and others to be insecticides, and others to be the calming winds that moderate the crops so that they do not dry out or become cold. If God places it in your heart to bring souls to Him, then do that. If not, then consider this. Your life is also a testimony all to itself. The people that you meet everyday see your testimony without you even saying a word. Continue to live in obedience to the Lord, and do not be like me, who tried anyway to jumpstart His ministry only to be caught unprepared for the initial trials that eventually strolled my way, and derailed me.

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    • #3
      Hi Saved!,
      I know how you feel to be “alone” with this understanding.
      Pre-tribbers think of this as only a doctrinal issue.
      They think it has no bearing on them, so it’s either “pre-trib or don’t talk to me”.

      Some assume that we are talking about the wrath of God.
      I’m of the opinion that it will be the seventh trumpet. That is the last trumpet when the dead in Christ are raised.
      The bowels of wrath come after that. We are not destined for His wrath.

      I got depressed for a little while, it’s natural. ‘Just like learning you may only have a few years left.
      Eventually, this understanding drew me even closer to the Lord.

      I will say that Jesus told us there would be scoffers.
      People (even unbelievers) are expecting something in 2112, but there must be scoffers like after Y2K.
      Things may look like they are lining up, but it may yet be a ways off.
      Everything takes longer than we may expect.
      Plan for your future and that of your family, and look forward to the time when Satan no longer has his claws on God’s creation.

      In the mean time, be about your Father’s business and trust Him.
      Bring the good news to those you love and those you meet.
      Don’t bring them (babes) the seventh trump, but mentor where you can to help them mature in the faith.
      Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.

      Richard

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      • #4
        I appreciate your insight

        Quote by Third Hero:

        My point is this. Do what God has put into your heart to do. Not all of us are meant to be sowers, of reapers. Some of us are meant to be waterers, and others to be insecticides, and others to be the calming winds that moderate the crops so that they do not dry out or become cold. If God places it in your heart to bring souls to Him, then do that. If not, then consider this. Your life is also a testimony all to itself. The people that you meet everyday see your testimony without you even saying a word. Continue to live in obedience to the Lord, and do not be like me, who tried anyway to jumpstart His ministry only to be caught unprepared for the initial trials that eventually strolled my way, and derailed me.
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        I appreciate you pointing this out to me. My husband is soooo gifted at reaching out to lost souls. He is great at it. He doesn't have to work at it, it comes naturally to me.

        I am forever beating myself up that I am not that way. I have different gifts. But, the emphasis is rightly on saving souls...therefore my quieter ways leave me wondering if I am doing all that I can.

        I have always felt God has something big planned for me, but never knew what it was. I'd often pray that God let me in on what I was suppose to be doing 'cause nothing seemed to be happening and I never felt I was living out my "role."

        But, looking all around me, seeing how my eyes are soooo open to endtimes and how my interest in it coincides with a feeling that God plans to use me somehow here at the end, it is starting to come together.

        However, I am a 106 lb, childlike-looking little blond lady with a Southern drawl and not used to taking any assertive role....well, I cannot think of how/why God would want to use me at such a pivotal time.

        This morning in the shower I was thinking along those lines and physically feeling very, very small when I felt what seemed like a large hand on my head and I kept my eyes closed and remained in prayer as the shower ran. In seconds I felt physically large and filled with light. It only lasted a second.

        Then, at church, the guest minister spoke right to my fears!!! and even looked me in the eye several times. I have had sermons to speak to me a few times before, and always when I needed it the most. Ain't God grand!

        Again, thanks for helping out a sister!

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        • #5
          Quote by Richard H:
          Donít bring them (babes) the seventh trump, but mentor where you can to help them mature in the faith.

          I completely agree with you on this point. Part of what keeps me isolated is being reluctant to scare those I love. I realize what a joy it must be to be a pre-tribber. I know that if I explain to them why I believe posttrib, then explain why I feel the tribulation is right before us, I will cause them to be anxious. While I could be gone tomorrow in a car accident, I pray that I remain to help those around me to understand what is going on when the tribulation starts and they weren't whisked away,

          Thank you for your words.


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          • #6
            Saved, you need to focus on the reality of the 2nd Coming at the end of the Tribulation. Your fear is based on the events of the Tribulation resulting in some sort of disaster that you fear coming on your family. However, in the end, things will conclude in triumph for you and your family (assuming they're all saved). Yes, we might have a period of terrible suffering to go through, but the important thing is that it's only temporary.

            Yes, we will eventually lose the life we have today, just as Joseph lost the life he had in Canaan with his father Jacob and his brothers. He was unjustly sold into slavery and his life appeared at first to be a total disaster. But in the end, he wound up being the 2nd most powerful person in the world, second in command of the world's most powerful empire at that time.

            Such will be the happy ending awaiting us at the end of the Tribulation. Keep the faith, sister. And keep your chin up too.
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            When the plain sense of Scripture make sense, seek no other sense.

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            • #7
              well saved, That's how God works. He knew that you were going ot be worried, and He had several people minister to you, so that you get the message He was sending to you. It's nice to not have to rely on angels to get those messages huh?!

              Well, here is what each and every one of us need to remember. This is a command from Our Lord Jesus Christ.

              Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

              But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof. Matthew 6:25:34

              Sorry, that was long, but His command is clear. We are not to worry about tomorrow, or even abouththe clothes that we wear, because God will take care of it all. Also, do not worry about tomorrow, because He got that taken care of as well. Seek first His Kingdom and His righteousness, and everything else will be given unto you.

              ... you know, I need to aply some of that myself...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Literalist-Luke View Post
                Saved, you need to focus on the reality of the 2nd Coming at the end of the Tribulation. Your fear is based on the events of the Tribulation resulting in some sort of disaster that you fear coming on your family. However, in the end, things will conclude in triumph for you and your family (assuming they're all saved). Yes, we might have a period of terrible suffering to go through, but the important thing is that it's only temporary.

                Yes, we will eventually lose the life we have today, just as Joseph lost the life he had in Canaan with his father Jacob and his brothers. He was unjustly sold into slavery and his life appeared at first to be a total disaster. But in the end, he wound up being the 2nd most powerful person in the world, second in command of the world's most powerful empire at that time.

                Such will be the happy ending awaiting us at the end of the Tribulation. Keep the faith, sister. And keep your chin up too.
                Yes, I agree. I remind myself that we win in the end, and that knowledge alone helps me to keep me from spiralling down with the world around me. Thank you for encouraging me.

                I had not thought of all that Joseph had lost prior to his lofty postion in Egypt, you are right!

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                • #9
                  You are right Third Hero. God has always provided for me, even when I could not possibly see how He was going to do it. Thank you for reminding me.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Saved! View Post
                    Quote by Richard H:
                    Donít bring them (babes) the seventh trump, but mentor where you can to help them mature in the faith.

                    I completely agree with you on this point. Part of what keeps me isolated is being reluctant to scare those I love. I realize what a joy it must be to be a pre-tribber. I know that if I explain to them why I believe posttrib, then explain why I feel the tribulation is right before us, I will cause them to be anxious. While I could be gone tomorrow in a car accident, I pray that I remain to help those around me to understand what is going on when the tribulation starts and they weren't whisked away,

                    Thank you for your words.


                    I shared that fear, until I had that discussion with my wife, and showed her all of the scriptures that God showed me. I believe she believes as I do now, but she was never really interested in the end-times thing anyway. I would call her a pan-tribber, since she keeps on saying that it'll all work itself out in the end.

                    As of today, I am still concerned that many who call themselves believers will do a Benedict Arnold and betray their Lord beasue their end-time view is proven to be wrong. However, a time is coming, and is here now, where the post-trib's version, (the one most proven by the scriptures IMHO) is making a comeback, and will at least be known at many of the pre-tribbers now, and hopefully, by that knowledge, many of them will, as QD and several other pre-tribbers told me, just come along with the rest of us and strive to be faithful until the Lord returns.

                    In truth, all we can do is bring it up in conversations and pray for those who disagree. By worrying, we can not change anything, or anyone's POV.

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                    • #11
                      I'd add: if someone wants to know, then tell them and show them the Scriptures.
                      But we can't use it for evangelism - it just lacks the false attractiveness of pre-trib.
                      And I would not burden babes - they need to concentrate on growing.

                      Let's use the time wisely as we (me) should have been doing anyway.

                      One thing is for sure - we know how it all turns out.
                      We can look forward to being with God for way longer than this short life.

                      Yeshua/Jesus is able to keep His forever.
                      Richard

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                      • #12
                        Saved,

                        I so agree with what everyone said in their postings. Great encouragement and teaching, y'all!

                        I just wanted to say that you teaching little ones is such an awesome way to show the love of Jesus. The Lord has gifted you to teach and encourage young, impressionable minds. That is a great responsibility.
                        Anything you have a passion for is where you should be. Your husband is gifted to witness to people. He is good at it because God made him that way. When we try to be something we are not we struggle, feel exhausted from the effort and in the end often feel like we have failed.
                        We only fail when we don't use what God has given us.

                        Keep up the good work!

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                        • #13
                          Hi Saved....Totally understand the alone thing, until I married the man that I did this year. As far as putting your life on hold based on seeing the ball rolling, well, can you see how far the ball has to roll? Where it is going to go? NO. My point? When I got saved, Jesus told me with such great urgency that He was coming back soon, that I thought it was only 3 years off. That was about 9 years ago.

                          Nuff said.
                          Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare. Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow.

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                          • #14
                            Dear Saved, the following may apply to the things you feel against you, for many want nothing to do with us if we vary from their idea of what is truth. The Lord died for us all and we are precious in His eyes regardless. God bless you in Jesus' name -

                            Romans 14:3. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
                            4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
                            5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
                            6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
                            7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
                            8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
                            9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
                            10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
                            Whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus

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                            • #15
                              You are not alone. At all. And, don't worry about tomorrow, just keep your eyes on the King. Just as if He was here already. Because He is. In those who are His.

                              I am my Beloved's and He is mine.

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