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    We all know about this army but does she have another....

    Vatican official steps down in battle over security of pope
    By John Phillips

    March 7, 2008

    WASHINGTON TIMES

    ROME - The Vatican official with primary responsibility for the safety of Pope Benedict XVI when he visits the United States next month has resigned in a turf battle between the Swiss Guard and a rival Italian security force over who gets to guard the pope.

    Col. Elmar Theodore Maeder (above center photo being decorated) decided Wednesday not to seek a second five-year mandate as head of the pantalooned Swiss Guards, the smallest army in the world, according to Italian press reports independently confirmed by The Washington Times.

    The disagreement stemmed from a proposal by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the powerful Vatican secretary of state, to deprive the Swiss Guards of their exclusive responsibility for security in the Apostolic Palace.

    The building with a curved, column-lined facade that sits across St. Peter’s Square serves as the official residence of the pope in Vatican City.

    Cardinal Bertone wants the Vatican’s other security force, the Vatican Gendarmerie, to guard the Apostolic Palace as well as other parts of the Vatican.

    The change would end a centuries-old tradition of pike-wielding Swiss Guards protecting the pope, according to one newspaper report headlined: “Swiss Guard in crisis; The commander is leaving.”

    “Maeder was waiting to see if he was asked to stay for a second term, but he heard nothing and decided not to ask for an extension,” a Vatican source told The Times. “Basically he is just fed up and decided to throw in the towel.”

    Col. Maeder is expected to remain on the job in Rome for several months until a replacement is named on recommendation of the Swiss Intelligence Service.

    But his imminent departure raises the question of who will have overall responsibility for Benedict’s safety during the pope’s visit to New York and Washington next month, which is expected to include a papal tour of ground zero.

    In the past, the head of the Vatican Swiss Guard always traveled with the pope on overseas trips and took primary responsibility for coordinating with local security services with support from a small team of Vatican Gendarmes.

    Col. Maeder still is expected to accompany Benedict to the United States, said the sources, but Cardinal Bertone may want the Gendarmerie to play a bigger role in planning security together with American counterparts, Vatican watchers said.

    The Gendarmerie was founded in 1816 when the Vatican still ruled over all of Rome and a large swathe of central Italy.

    But in recent years, the Gendarmerie largely has had a police role under the command of the governor of Vatican City since the gendarmes were demilitarized under Pope Paul VI.

    “Their role seems to have been growing for some time,” the publication Secolo XIX wrote in a dispatch by its Vatican correspondent, Angela Ambrogetti.

    The stress of defending the pope has led to a number of casualties in the past, raising debate about whether the Swiss Guard and Gendarmerie are anachronisms.

    A young Italian Gendarmerie cadet, Alessandro Benedetti, was found dead from gunshot wounds in an apparent suicide in September.

    In 1998, Vatican City was rocked by the triple shooting deaths of Alois Estermann, the then-head of the Swiss Guard, together with his Venezuelan wife and a young Swiss Guard lance corporal, Cedric Tornay.

    The Holy See blamed Mr. Tornay for shooting the other two before turning his gun on himself.

    There are about 150 Vatican Gendarmes in all on patrol in Vatican Museums, St. Peter’s Basilica and Vatican-owned buildings in Rome outside Vatican City.


    Jude



    A man is in a great place when he has no one to turn to but God.

    ~ Smith Wigglesworth

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    [QUOTE 2cor 10]
    For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh,
    4 for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses.
    5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,
    6 and we are ready to punish all disobedience, whenever your obedience is complete. [/QUOTE] .................................................. ..........................................
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jude View Post





      ROME - The Vatican official with primary responsibility for the safety of Pope Benedict XVI when he visits the United States next month has resigned in a turf battle between the Swiss Guard and a rival Italian security force over who gets to guard the pope.


      Do they also moonlight as housekeepers?
      (noticing the feather-dusters stored on their helmets)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by David Taylor View Post
        Do they also moonlight as housekeepers?
        (noticing the feather-dusters stored on their helmets)
        nice!...that's funny

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        • #5
          Apparently they are some of the toughest soldiers in the world, but rarely have to use their skills, because their enemies fall down laughing.
          Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

          My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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          • #6
            Us humans are funny. Imitate roosters to look tough.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by daughter View Post
              Apparently they are some of the toughest soldiers in the world, but rarely have to use their skills, because their enemies fall down laughing.
              I've seen clowns in a circus wearing the same trousers...

              ananias
              "But you must not be called Rabbi, for One is your teacher, Christ, and you are all brothers.

              And call no one your father on the earth, for One is your Father in Heaven.

              Nor be called teachers, for One is your Teacher, even Christ."
              (Mat.23: 8-10)

              AND

              "I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another.

              By this all shall know that you are My disciples, if you have love toward one another."
              (Joh.13: 34-35)

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              • #8
                I think it's the Swiss that are historically known for being adept warriors (Biblically, pay attention to the tribe of Benjamin - they were the same way). And, although I'm sure these guys are tough, there's two problems:

                1) They wearing plated-armor and carrying pikes. How is that going to protect the pope if someone shows up with, say, a gun? Or, drastically, a bomb of some kind? They're inefficient and impractical except in small rooms.

                2) They look flipping ridiculous. There's no way to not realize this. I'm sure they would command more presence and respect if they didn't dress so inane. And appearing more "tough" than they are now would be more likely to dispel a potential attacker.

                That said...



                How is this end-times related?
                To This Day

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by markedward View Post
                  2) They look flipping ridiculous. There's no way to not realize this. I'm sure they would command more presence and respect if they didn't dress so inane. And appearing more "tough" than they are now would be more likely to dispel a potential attacker.
                  Now hold on, you're talking about the Roman Catholic Church, who clings to "tradition" like velcro. Do you honestly expect them to "keep up with the times"?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by markedward View Post



                    How is this end-times related?
                    who knows.....but it's just to good

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by markedward View Post
                      I think it's the Swiss that are historically known for being adept warriors (Biblically, pay attention to the tribe of Benjamin - they were the same way).
                      What, they dressed up as parrots?
                      Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

                      My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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                      • #12
                        alright....i just realized that i'm mocking people right now...i'm sorry and i'm done.
                        i was just reading about this the other night in psalms i think.
                        oops!... just realized it.

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                        • #13
                          Sorry.

                          In my defense, I'm not mocking the men, but the clobber they dress up in.
                          Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

                          My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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                          • #14
                            true,
                            i feel like i'm mocking them because they are (wearing) those silly looking clothes. although i'm not making fun of the people, i'm making fun of their clothes, which makes me feel like i'm making fun of them for wearing the clothes.
                            i maybe over analizing things though

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                            • #15
                              This Army Dresses Differently




                              Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
                              29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
                              30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
                              31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
                              32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

                              http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm


                              Jude





                              A man is in a great place when he has no one to turn to but God.

                              ~ Smith Wigglesworth

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