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    if Jesus returned (not visibly) and dead believers were raised and some alive believers were raptured in AD70 and we are in the 1000 years now? as i understand partial preterism is where Jesus came in AD70 only in judgement and full preterism is where the 1000 years was also completed by AD70. if that is correct is there a label for this preterism and is anyone in this category?

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    Re: what sort of preterism would this be

    I'm a partial preterist. I believe that most of revelation happened in 70ad. We are in the 1000 year, and Satan is released for a short season, before Christ's returns and the judgement.

    blessings to you
    My soul does GLORIFY the LORD, my spirit REJOICES in GOD MY SAVIOUR
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    "To be entirely safe from the devils snares the man of God must be completely obedient to the Word of the Lord. The driver on the highway is safe, not when he reads the signs but when he obeys them." A.W.Tozer

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      Re: what sort of preterism would this be

      I don't know any partial Preterists who claim that Christ returned, but not visibly, and dead believers were raised and some alive believers were raptured in AD70.

      That sounds more closely related to what Jehovah's Witnesses teach, except for the 'rapture' part.
      My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

      "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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      • #4
        Re: what sort of preterism would this be

        Originally posted by Indueseason View Post
        I'm a partial preterist. I believe that most of revelation happened in 70ad. We are in the 1000 year, and Satan is released for a short season, before Christ's returns and the judgement.

        blessings to you
        many thanks for replying, please can i ask when you think the new heaven and new earth is?

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          Re: what sort of preterism would this be

          Originally posted by Diggindeeper View Post
          I don't know any partial Preterists who claim that Christ returned, but not visibly, and dead believers were raised and some alive believers were raptured in AD70.
          sorry i don't think you understood the question, this is full preterism.

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            Re: what sort of preterism would this be

            Originally posted by shootingdead View Post
            many thanks for replying, please can i ask when you think the new heaven and new earth is?
            When Christ returns

            blessings to you
            My soul does GLORIFY the LORD, my spirit REJOICES in GOD MY SAVIOUR
            ------
            "To be entirely safe from the devils snares the man of God must be completely obedient to the Word of the Lord. The driver on the highway is safe, not when he reads the signs but when he obeys them." A.W.Tozer

            The Lifehouse Skit

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              Re: what sort of preterism would this be

              Originally posted by shootingdead View Post
              if Jesus returned (not visibly) and dead believers were raised and some alive believers were raptured in AD70 and we are in the 1000 years now?
              If the resurrection of the dead and those that remained happened in AD70 that would be Full Preterism. I'm not sure of any Full Preterist that believes this and then also believe that after AD70 then the 1000 years.

              That latter part would be more toward Partial Preterism, but I don't see them as believing that the resurrection happened in AD70.

              So I don't think there is a label for that eschatology.

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                Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                Originally posted by shootingdead
                if Jesus returned (not visibly) and dead believers were raised and some alive believers were raptured in AD70 and we are in the 1000 years now? as i understand partial preterism is where Jesus came in AD70 only in judgement and full preterism is where the 1000 years was also completed by AD70. if that is correct is there a label for this preterism and is anyone in this category?
                This would fall under the label 'progressive full preterism' (even less popular than typical 'full preterism').
                To This Day

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                • #9
                  Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                  Originally posted by markedward View Post
                  This would fall under the label 'progressive full preterism' (even less popular than typical 'full preterism').
                  thank you for this definition which enabled me to find the article linked to below. progressive full preterism seems to be all preterist views that donít fall into partial or full preterism which seems to be quite a wide ranging bunch however the author of this article has the same views as the OP.

                  http://www.preteristarchive.com/Pret...rspective.html

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                  • #10
                    Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                    Originally posted by Indueseason View Post
                    When Christ returns

                    blessings to you
                    hello Indueseason do you think Christ returns at the end of the 1000 years?

                    Revelation 20v9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of Godís people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

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                    • #11
                      Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                      Yes, after satans short season

                      blessings to you
                      My soul does GLORIFY the LORD, my spirit REJOICES in GOD MY SAVIOUR
                      ------
                      "To be entirely safe from the devils snares the man of God must be completely obedient to the Word of the Lord. The driver on the highway is safe, not when he reads the signs but when he obeys them." A.W.Tozer

                      The Lifehouse Skit

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                      • #12
                        Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                        Originally posted by Indueseason View Post
                        Yes, after satans short season

                        blessings to you
                        i don't understand

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                        • #13
                          Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                          Originally posted by shootingdead View Post
                          if Jesus returned (not visibly) and dead believers were raised and some alive believers were raptured in AD70 and we are in the 1000 years now? as i understand partial preterism is where Jesus came in AD70 only in judgement and full preterism is where the 1000 years was also completed by AD70. if that is correct is there a label for this preterism and is anyone in this category?
                          I personally do not give any credence to any "partial" views. The word "preterist" comes from the Latin word "praeter", which means "past", or "in the past". Therefore, any view which leaves anything yet to be fulfilled, cannot, by definition, be "preterist".

                          No offense to anyone. I'm not trying to attack anyone. But I do state facts and the definition does not allow for it, that's all.

                          But as to your "1,000 year" comment, let me help you to understand something about Preterism and fulfillments.

                          Preterism does not exclude something from going on today. For example, the prophecy regarding Christ dying for our sins was fulfilled a long time ago, but people are still being saved today, amen?

                          The thousand years is symbolic, not literal and the term "thousand" normally symbolizes completeness of something. But the term "thousand(s)" has been used to symbolize an eternal thing, or endless number of something.

                          As for whether or not it is still going on now, I personally don't see it as being that. And I've actually been looking into the bimilennial view.

                          But if it were going on now and forever, that does not excluded from a Preterist view. As long as it started by the NT times. What would be excluded, is if you see other prophecies then happening after this 1,000 years, whether a literal, or symbolic number.

                          In other words, anything eternal can indeed still be going on today, like salvation. There just can't be anything that *will* come *after* that.

                          So to answer the question you didn't ask; Yes, one can be a Preterist and believe that a prophecy of the Bible is current. Just not that it hasn't happened yet.

                          Does that help?

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                            Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                            Originally posted by shootingdead View Post
                            thank you for this definition which enabled me to find the article linked to below. progressive full preterism seems to be all preterist views that don’t fall into partial or full preterism which seems to be quite a wide ranging bunch however the author of this article has the same views as the OP.

                            http://www.preteristarchive.com/Pret...rspective.html
                            I know the site well. It is a highly biased site! The guy used to believe that everything was fulfilled, but offered the different views without judgment. Then he changed his mind to believe in what is labeled as "Partial Preterism" and the site changed to a place that is almost all slamming of what is labeled as "Full Preterism". It used to be a site where different Preterist beliefs gathered and posted articles. But now it has become his personal place to make "Full Preterism" his whipping post. Many people abandoned the site, not because he changed his mind about what he believes, but because he has been on a vicious attack ever since doing so and no one wants to keep reading that. Even the article you referenced is the same way. "How could I think the unthinkable?!"

                            Yea, no bias there! Right!

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                              Re: what sort of preterism would this be

                              Originally posted by Pastor Dave View Post
                              But if it were going on now and forever, that does not excluded from a Preterist view. As long as it started by the NT times. What would be excluded, is if you see other prophecies then happening after this 1,000 years, whether a literal, or symbolic number.

                              One thing I can think of right offhand, if the 1000 years are now or already past, then anyone saved after this period of time, they don't get to reign with Chriat a thousand years like the text indicates. That would mean they have no part in the first resurrection, because those that do, clearly they reign with Christ a thousand years. My point then is, in the non premil view, the little season follows the 1000 years and occurs prior to Christ's return. Is one to believe that not a single person gets saved during this little season, if it indeed occurs before Christ's return? But if one is saved during this little season, then how is it logically posible for them to be a part of the first resurrection, since they can't reign with Christ a 1000 years now, because that period of time would be past history at this point?

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