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    Maybe some of you can shed some light on a prophesy that I was told sometime ago but never really saw the scriptures to back it up. I was told that during the end times there would be a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians. I'm not sure how accurate that is but If some of you are, I'd appreciate it if you could post the scriptures.

    -- http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...eal/index.html

    I just read that on CNN. On the page Ms. Rice states that a treaty between Israel and the Palestinians will not occur under the bush administration but due to his diligence it will in the future.

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    I think it is in Daniel and in the 70th week, if I'm not mistaken.
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    • #3
      This is probably the main verse you are looking for. (which is the before mentioned Daniels 70th week)

      Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

      It is a much disputed verse, but there are many, including myself who believe this speaks of end times and an agreement between Israel and the nations.

      That does not mean that if Rice were to reach a peace agreement tomorrow it would be the above agreement, there are many factors to consider. One factor would be that the above agreement is between a specific leader and Israel.


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      • #4
        Recently I raised this question in another thread regarding the use of the phrase "peace treaty", which went unanswered. Daniel 9:27 does not say "peace treaty". In the New American Standard Bible it says the following:

        And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is pour out on the one who makes desolate.

        All it says is "he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week". We are not given sufficient information so as to conclude that the terms of the covenant are in regards to war and peace. I'm not saying that it isn't about war and peace (it still could be), but we are putting our own ideas into the Scripture when we say that it is definitely referring to a "peace treaty".

        Since it is not clear that it is a peace treaty, could we be looking the wrong way? Is it possible that it has already been confirmed? From a futurist's perspective, the Antichrist is not revealed until the abomination that causes desolation (2 Thess 2:1-4), not the confirmation of the covenant. This may already be confirmed and not be common public knowledge.

        Just something to think about.

        God Bless,
        ServantoftheKing

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        • #5
          Originally posted by quiet dove View Post
          This is probably the main verse you are looking for. (which is the before mentioned Daniels 70th week)

          Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

          It is a much disputed verse, but there are many, including myself who believe this speaks of end times and an agreement between Israel and the nations.

          That does not mean that if Rice were to reach a peace agreement tomorrow it would be the above agreement, there are many factors to consider. One factor would be that the above agreement is between a specific leader and Israel.
          The dispute is that until dispensationalism, Dan 9:27 was interpreted as having already occurred - fulfilled in Christ. A whole topic in itself.

          In the New Testament, I am thinking of this:

          1Th 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

          What this suggests is a belief in peace and safety - possibly in the form of a peace treaty between Islamic forces and Israel. The peace and safety is false though, and whatever treaty this is, gets broken with great violence.
          In Christ,

          -- Rev

          “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Revolvr View Post
            The dispute is that until dispensationalism, Dan 9:27 was interpreted as having already occurred - fulfilled in Christ. A whole topic in itself.
            You got it! The 'middle of the week' refers to Jesus' earthly 3 and a half year earthly ministry. The 'end to sacrifice and offering' refers to his sacrificial death. The rest of the verse predicts the temple's eventual destruction.

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            • #7
              The OP has asked a question, I answered it from my view. If you would like to do the same, by all means do so, but don't turn the thread into yet another heated Daniel 9:27 debate.


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              • #8
                Hey

                The peace treaty will be signed by the anti-christ and the church will be raptured sometime before that or at the time of the signing. thats from a literal interpretation of the Bible and people call it pre-tribulation rapture.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by quiet dove View Post
                  This is probably the main verse you are looking for. (which is the before mentioned Daniels 70th week)

                  Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

                  It is a much disputed verse, but there are many, including myself who believe this speaks of end times and an agreement between Israel and the nations.

                  That does not mean that if Rice were to reach a peace agreement tomorrow it would be the above agreement, there are many factors to consider. One factor would be that the above agreement is between a specific leader and Israel.
                  Da 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

                  Da 9:16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

                  He = God
                  Many = Israel (REMNANT)
                  Covenant = Abrahamic

                  Da 9:27 And GOD shall confirm the covenant with ISRAEL for one week: and in the midst of the week GOD shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations GOD shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

                  This following would be the "treaty" made with AC and the wicked of Israel.

                  Da 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

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                  • #10
                    on the wing of abominations
                    Here is something I've been pondering. We know that Biblical prophecy is fulfilled several times in history, and that we've already had at least two abominations of desolation on the Temple Mount. There was the abomination of desolation which occurred under Antiochus the fourth (I think...), where the Greek ruler took over the Temple, erected a statue to Zeus, and sacrificed a pig in the Holy of Holies.

                    Not surprisingly there was an uprising, and the subsequent cleansing and rededication of the Temple is still celebrated at Hannukah.

                    Then there was the Roman destruction of the Temple, and all the blood shed and desolation that followed.

                    But what about now? What about the Mosque on Temple Mount? Isn't that also an abomination that desolates?

                    I'm not saying there won't be a future temple, or that there won't be a future abomination of desolation, but sometimes I wonder if we're not missing something in prophecy. Perhaps it's less like a train timetable (as in "next stop, the tribulation") and more like a series of prophetic images overlaid on top of each other, like transparencies on glass... seen together they form the "big picture." But they can also be experienced individually as well.

                    I can't really think of how to describe what I mean... hope this makes some kind of sense.
                    Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

                    My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by daughter View Post
                      Here is something I've been pondering.
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                      more like a series of prophetic images overlaid on top of each other, like transparencies on glass... seen together they form the "big picture." But they can also be experienced individually as well.

                      I can't really think of how to describe what I mean... hope this makes some kind of sense.
                      -wow
                      I have used the term "Layers", then tried to explain what I was talking about nearly as you have. (i think i used an "overhead projector" as example)
                      So... ""hope this makes some kind of sense"" ....to me, YES


                      I'm not sure why -I feel there is three.
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                      "Let no man deceive you"

                      I also am "man" - this includes myself !

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                      • #12
                        Woohoo! Thank goodness someone understands me! Sometimes I feel like I'm a little bit stupid, or something...

                        My mental picture was something like stained glass... literally I can see it in my head, when I close my eyes and ponder it. The same thing happened with the coming of Messiah - the suffering servant is superimposed over the Triumphant Victor, and if you insist on everything in the composite image happening at once, then you will be disappointed.

                        But I'm really glad I made sense. Sometimes I feel I'm speaking Swahili in the Gaeltacht, considering the looks I've got when attempting to explain my theory!
                        Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

                        My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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                        • #13
                          Concerning the OP, (since I have determined to not debate issues with those who have agendas), the truth of the matter is that many sign-watchers attribute Daniel 9:27 as the specific prophecy that details a treaty that Israel is to have with "many". Most of us tend to believe that the prophecy will be fulfilled by the one who will become the Beast, (what others call the AntiChrist).

                          It is my opinion, however, that a peace accord between Israel and her neighbors will be made BEFORE the Beast confirms it. It is also my opinion that the peace accord is what is going to spark the great bloody war that is found in Revelation 9. (The sixth trumpet). The Beast will simultaneously rise to prominence and end that bloody war by confirming the original peace accord that started the war in the first place.

                          My evidence? The word "Confirm" which is stated in Daniel 9:27.

                          Hope this helps a little.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by daughter View Post
                            What about now What about the Mosque on Temple Mount? Isn't that also an abomination that desolates?

                            I'm not saying there won't be a future temple, or that there won't be a future abomination of desolation, but sometimes I wonder if we're not missing something in prophecy.

                            Sorry if this is a little off topic but i think it may have something to do with a peace deal.

                            I have thought this very same thing. I have also read that there is enough room remaining on the mount for another Temple of the proportions spoken of in the bible. Now the thing to consider is-- The arabs have hardly ever lived up to their part of any agreement with the Jews. What would happen if the Jews started building a new Temple alongside the muslim temple as part of a peace agreement? Would God protect them? Imagine the chaos that would ensue.--Whoaa!!
                            Jesus is the only way.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Agyei View Post
                              Maybe some of you can shed some light on a prophesy that I was told sometime ago but never really saw the scriptures to back it up. I was told that during the end times there would be a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians. I'm not sure how accurate that is but If some of you are, I'd appreciate it if you could post the scriptures.

                              -- http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...eal/index.html

                              I just read that on CNN. On the page Ms. Rice states that a treaty between Israel and the Palestinians will not occur under the bush administration but due to his diligence it will in the future.


                              I hope no one takes this as a stab at their views -
                              Every form of administration in the US(or anywhere), IS going to either work toward or away from "peace" over there. (...or neutral)
                              It is part of "Foreign policies".
                              (Bush even called his the [I think] - "seven year road map" ?? )

                              I'm just saying that, for those convinced of a "peace treaty", I think it's safe to relax and wait until one is in place and working.
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                              "Let no man deceive you"

                              I also am "man" - this includes myself !

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