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    I will turn 40 next month, so I don't have all that much life experience to fall back on. Also, I have only studied on the Endtimes subject for the past few years.

    There are many of you with more life experience, and years of study under your belt. So, you all will have much more insight into this than I have.

    I know that there are many things that point to our Lord's return very soon in my "figuring."

    For example:

    1. Bible prophecy (much seems to point to today)
    2. Political events (Worldwide)
    3. World events (Mideast Issues)
    4. Some pagan prophecy (Mayan 2012)
    5. Papal prophecy (Pope listings)
    6. Some secular information (Arthurian legends)
    7. Technology (chipping)
    8. Dispensational theories
    9. Islamic mahdi predictions
    10. Financial / Economic situation

    I am sure I could continue to name even more.

    However, are we the first generation-to have sooo many people that are convinced that their time was THE time?

    Weren't there periods in the past when His return seemed right around the corner?

    For example:

    1. The destruction of Christians by Nero
    2. Hitler's rise and destruction of Jews
    3. The Black Plague
    4. The Middle Ages
    5. The Cold War
    6. The Great Depression and the Dust Bowl
    7. Social Security number start-up
    8. Pandemic flu times

    Here, too, I could name more.

    My point being....many of you have done extensive research....or remember times years ago in your own lifetimes when folks were convinced that the End was going to happen immediately.

    Just kinda curious...it might help to put things into perspective for me.

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    Originally posted by Saved! View Post
    I know that there are many things that point to our Lord's return very soon in my "figuring."
    1. Bible prophecy (much seems to point to today)
    2. Political events (Worldwide)
    3. World events (Mideast Issues)
    4. Some pagan prophecy (Mayan 2012)
    5. Papal prophecy (Pope listings)
    6. Some secular information (Arthurian legends)
    7. Technology (chipping)
    8. Dispensational theories
    9. Islamic mahdi predictions
    10. Financial / Economic situation
    However, are we the first generation-to have sooo many people that are convinced that their time was THE time? Weren't there periods in the past when His return seemed right around the corner?
    My point being....many of you have done extensive research....or remember times years ago in your own lifetimes when folks were convinced that the End was going to happen immediately.
    Just kinda curious...it might help to put things into perspective for me.
    Hi, Saved! Maybe a good analogy is to think of a jigsaw puzzle that was started by your great-grandparents, but not completed. The puzzle box is missing its lid, so no one knows for sure what the full picture looks like, but they have the title of the puzzle written on the bottom of the box, "Signs of the Soon Return of the Lord". They were able to put together some of the pieces of the puzzle in their lifetime and were convinced that they would complete it before their passing. But some of the pieces appeared to fit together, yet didn't. Others were single pieces they couldn't match up yet, but they were still excited because the pieces that they did put together sure did look like they matched events in their generation.

    Next, their children (your grandparents) took up the puzzle where they left off. They added a bunch more pieces to it, and they too were very excited because they thought they would likely finish it before they passed, and again all those new pictures they built sure did fit with events in their generation.

    Then your parents took it on, and similar things happened, and then your generation took it on. The thing is, with every generation that passes, more of that puzzle is completed and the full picture begins to make more and more sense and fit more and more with the current generation.

    I am up there in years myself, and I know my own great-grandfather was looking forward to Jesus' return, as was my grandmother, as is my mother, and as am I. The best part is that there will be a generation that will indeed see the return of Jesus--in my opinion, that began with the generation that saw Israel become a nation--and I believe that, even though some of our puzzle pieces still aren't quite put together completely, we are seeing the fullest portion of the puzzle than any preceding generation.

    By the way, as a history buff I have to ask you about the item on your list about the Arthurian legends. Would you share what you understand is relating to Jesus' return in those legends? Thanks!

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    • #3
      I know when Kennedy was assasinated there were a lot of folks in Ireland waiting for him to recover after three days, cause all the world to wonder after him and follow him. Lots of people thought he was the anti Christ.

      In the Crusades lots of people thought that the anti Christ would be a Muslim (Mohammed obviously being a false prophet) and the Reformation believed that the Pope was the anti Christ.

      We have to remember that there are MANY anti Christs in the world, it's not surprising that people get confused when the world is full of Hitlers, Stalin's, Kim Jung-il's, Mugabes, and so on.

      There have always been candidates for anti Christ. We'll remain a lot less confused if we keep our eyes on Christ, however!
      Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

      My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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      • #4
        Isreal becoming a nation again in 1948, in my opinion is the main event in prophecy fullfillment.

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        • #5
          You've got to admit, it's the most amazing thing to have happened.
          Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

          My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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          • #6
            Yup

            Yup, I agree it's amazing to see how things are put into place at the right time and right place. GOD is at work
            Shinjitsu wa itsumo hitotsu
            2 Timothy 3:16 Jehovah Jireh Matthew 6:33

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dworthington View Post
              Isreal becoming a nation again in 1948, in my opinion is the main event in prophecy fullfillment.

              Yet Israel did not occupy Jerusalem til after 1967? And still does not own it exclusively I think.

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              • #8
                By the way, as a history buff I have to ask you about the item on your list about the Arthurian legends. Would you share what you understand is relating to Jesus' return in those legends? Thanks![/quote]

                OK. Don't laugh...because I can't remember all of the details, but....there are those that looked to Prince Charles as the Antichrist for a great many years. I think that has to do with his blood line. However, there are those that think that unfortunate role is going to fall on Prince William.

                Prince William has several names, of course...but Arthur is one of the names.

                Now, King Arthur's legend says that he will return from the dead to help England in its time of greatest need. (Did Arthur die of a head wound?)

                Since King Arthur, it is my understanding that there has not been another King Arthur.

                So, if Prince William is crowned King and takes the name King Arthur.....and England is thrust into great peril at the same time, it'd be quite a coincidence.

                Not that he'd be the AC...but that it would be one heck of a coincidence that a King Arthur was in place to lead England right at the time we believe the tribulation would begin. In fact, Mods, I am not naming him as the AC...just pointing out that others have. If anything, I think he'd be more likely to play into the role of benevolence for his country-their protector and not an actor on the world as a whole.

                For a long time, I myself could see how Prince William could have a tremendous influence if he wanted it...handsome fellow, potential King, son of beloved Diana...everyone loves him...

                Anyway, just some of the notes I have kept in mind over the past few years of situations to watch.

                ---Not to mention, I always wondered if Prince Charles promised to abdicate the throne to William when the time comes in exchange for his mother permitting his marriage to Camilla....just a thought.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Saved! View Post
                  By the way, as a history buff I have to ask you about the item on your list about the Arthurian legends. Would you share what you understand is relating to Jesus' return in those legends? Thanks!

                  OK. Don't laugh...because I can't remember all of the details, but....there are those that looked to Prince Charles as the Antichrist for a great many years. I think that has to do with his blood line. However, there are those that think that unfortunate role is going to fall on Prince William.

                  Prince William has several names, of course...but Arthur is one of the names.

                  Now, King Arthur's legend says that he will return from the dead to help England in its time of greatest need. (Did Arthur die of a head wound?)

                  Since King Arthur, it is my understanding that there has not been another King Arthur.

                  So, if Prince William is crowned King and takes the name King Arthur.....and England is thrust into great peril at the same time, it'd be quite a coincidence.

                  Not that he'd be the AC...but that it would be one heck of a coincidence that a King Arthur was in place to lead England right at the time we believe the tribulation would begin. In fact, Mods, I am not naming him as the AC...just pointing out that others have. If anything, I think he'd be more likely to play into the role of benevolence for his country-their protector and not an actor on the world as a whole.

                  For a long time, I myself could see how Prince William could have a tremendous influence if he wanted it...handsome fellow, potential King, son of beloved Diana...everyone loves him...

                  Anyway, just some of the notes I have kept in mind over the past few years of situations to watch.

                  ---Not to mention, I always wondered if Prince Charles promised to abdicate the throne to William when the time comes in exchange for his mother permitting his marriage to Camilla....just a thought.
                  Thanks, Saved! I had not heard this information before, so I find it very interesting.

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                  • #10
                    Time Marches On



                    Everyone here has had an idea about who the Anti-Christ is, I can tell you one thing for sure he won't stick out like a sore thumb. Since 1972 I've seen a bushel basket full of ideas , so where are we to look if we want to get an answer, the scriptures of course certainly not the media.. It doesn't tale a rocket scientist to figure it out, I posted an idea of mine but it was deleted for disturbing the peace because it looked accusatory. I can give you a hint, isn't he supposed to come out of Rome? There is your tip, not much granted but none the less its about all you'll need if your serious about knowing.

                    Jude


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                    • #11
                      Two other events that happened before my time...but I wonder if they caused a large-scale Endtimes watch:

                      1. Formation of the United Nations
                      2. Israel becoming a nation

                      ....and, also the 1967 6-day war.

                      Were many people convinced during these things that we were only a breath away?

                      SAVED!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Saved! View Post
                        Two other events that happened before my time...but I wonder if they caused a large-scale Endtimes watch:

                        1. Formation of the United Nations
                        2. Israel becoming a nation

                        ....and, also the 1967 6-day war.

                        Were many people convinced during these things that we were only a breath away?

                        SAVED!
                        Well the idea of Israel becoming a nation as being part of the end time prophecies I think it fairly new actually...those before this time certainly weren't looking for that or they wouldn't have thought it was in their generation either...but they did believe that Christ would return in their generation. There are many stories of preachers in the past declaring to their church members the Second Coming was on such and such day...Israel was not part of the end times in this...I still don't even know what scriptures says they have to become a nation again before Christ's returns. I have only heard people say it....with no scriptures showing its true...

                        The united nations were also not an issue then either. Hal Lindsey was the one that came up with these ideas (as far as I know)...before that, neither of these were signs to look for.

                        I know that there are many things that point to our Lord's return very soon in my "figuring."
                        1. Bible prophecy (much seems to point to today)
                        Like what for example?


                        2. Political events (Worldwide)
                        Can you tell us what exactly you mean..what world wide events?

                        3. World events (Mideast Issues)
                        Again,...what exactly? (sorry to keep repeating myself but I really don't know what you are thinking that you feel is part of the end times)

                        4. Some pagan prophecy (Mayan 2012)
                        I certainly wouldn't go by what some pagan's say..and there is nothing in the bible that says they are part of the end times...so this confuses me....why even consider pagan ideas?
                        5. Papal prophecy (Pope listings)
                        6. Some secular information (Arthurian legends)
                        I don't know about either of these ...are they listed in scripture...

                        7. Technology (chipping)
                        Why? Why would we have to wait for chipping when tattoos have worked well for thousands of years. People have inserted the idea it has to be something to hold our personal information and bank accounts to be scanned...none of that is in the bible...in fact millions of people in the world have no stores let alone stores with scanners. You won't find them in dumps where thousands upon thousand live for sure! Or in the jungles or the mountains were many live off the land..

                        8. Dispensational theories
                        Now I am really confused! Why would a new theory be part of the end times???
                        9. Islamic mahdi predictions


                        10. Financial / Economic situation
                        Where does it say in the bible something happens in the economy as a sign for the end?

                        I am so sorry for all the confusion and questions here but your post really lost me on alot of this stuff.

                        God bless
                        "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                        • #13
                          Hi Moonglow,

                          I think I wasn't really clear on what I was trying to say in my OP. I am studying on the Preterist concept right now...I can see that as having merit...so I in no way feel that the list I have given are concrete pointers to the end being near, only that each one-valid or not-points to our lifetime being the "Endtime" unless, of course, the Preterist view is the correct one (and we are not allowed to discuss that here, so I am looking into it on my own).

                          So, to make myself a little clearer:

                          1. There are some Biblical prophecies that can be interpreted as speaking of current situations. Such as, the interpretation of an Antichrist that will rule the entire world...that wouldn't have been possible before now. As, I said, though...this depends upon interpretation and I am not qualified to interpret it either way because I have very limited knowledge and am trying to gain more as I go.

                          2. Political Events...same situation as before. Even with the G20 meeting today...if the Biblical interpretation of an Antichrist with the power to rule the world and control the buying/selling of the world, he would have to have a global network, and that might be in the works as we speak. Not, that I am saying that the Bible prophecy speaks to this, only that this is an interpretation held by some.

                          3. World events....such as the rapid growth of Islam. The global economy recession. There are more, but my brain is tired! Not that these events certainly point to the end....only that some of our contemporaries say that they do.

                          4. Some pagan prophecy. Of course I know not to put any stock in anything pagans proclaim...only that the devil knows he is coming to an end and may have an idea of when that would be....I actually had the Mayan prophecy in mind. There is reason to believe that they didn't actually foretell an end of the world...only an end to that cycle. Yet, it seems coincidental that that date is coming up and many other things point to a similar date.

                          5. Papal prophecy. Again, not Biblical, only anecdotal. There is a Papal prophecy, Malachi I believe, that lists a progression of Popes until the very last one. Dependant on the version, this pope is the last or next to the last. I don't want to go into a lot of detail 'cause I know it would ruffle feathers. But, I was familiar with the prophecy and what was called for with regard to this last Pope. When he was selected nothing about him rang true to the prophecy...until he chose his name and my jaw dropped. Still, maybe a coincidence.

                          6. I listed what has been said of the Arthurian legend. Secular, of course.

                          7. Technology-wise. If the Mark of the Beast is a future event, and I am not saying that it is, then the Antichrist would have to have a means of identifying his own by mortal means...chipping has a lot of people stirred up.

                          8. Dispensational theories. Again, anything to them? I don't know. I was once taught that the 7 churches stood for the 7 church ages and that we were in the last one, so our Lord would be arriving soon.

                          9. The Muslims are looking for their own savior to return any minute and the listing of characteristics of their antichrist matches with our Christ and their savior matches with our Antichrist. Now, that to me is spooky. I make no apologies for feeling that way.

                          10. The financial aspect. Many TV religious commentators continue to speak about the current crisis heading us toward a global economy that allows the Antichrist to come on the scene. Their opinion, of course.

                          11. I can see how folks might have viewed the UN as the step toward a global government for the Antichrist to eventually control.

                          12. There are those that pointed to 1948 and 1967 as the beginning of the generation that was to see Christ's return....to tired to outline why.

                          I forgot to even mention the fact that I have heard folks say that the earth is 6,000 years old and that the Lord will give us our Sabbath during that last 1,000 years. Again, an interpretation.

                          The true point of my OP was to say that there are many in our generation that have the above situations going and consider that proof that this is the end...and my question was, haven't folks for the past 2,000 years had current events going on that they viewed as absolute proof that their time HAD to be THE time?

                          I hope that I have cleared up what I was trying to get across....

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                          • #14
                            Ok...read this tomorrow after you have gotten some sleep! I know how it is to start to fade out...lol...I fade out many times a day..ha! I need a brain battery recharge..

                            Originally posted by Saved! View Post
                            Hi Moonglow,

                            I think I wasn't really clear on what I was trying to say in my OP. I am studying on the Preterist concept right now...I can see that as having merit...so I in no way feel that the list I have given are concrete pointers to the end being near, only that each one-valid or not-points to our lifetime being the "Endtime" unless, of course, the Preterist view is the correct one (and we are not allowed to discuss that here, so I am looking into it on my own).
                            Partial preterist is allowed on here and what my views are..or amill..one of those... I refer to alot of partial preterist work though.

                            So, to make myself a little clearer:

                            1. There are some Biblical prophecies that can be interpreted as speaking of current situations. Such as, the interpretation of an Antichrist that will rule the entire world...that wouldn't have been possible before now. As, I said, though...this depends upon interpretation and I am not qualified to interpret it either way because I have very limited knowledge and am trying to gain more as I go.
                            Actually I think it would be impossible to rule the world now! For instance we know so little really about China or Russia or the things that go on there...the little we know 'they' allow the world to know. They are cut off from the rest of the world for a reason....they are very controlling of their people have if you look at their land mass, they have alot of room for alot of people! Just doing a quick search...they have fewer people then I imaged... 141,377,752. Russia's area is about 17 million square kilometers (6.5 million sq. mi.). It is the largest country in the world, larger than Canada by more than 7 million square kilometers (2.5 million sq. mi.). Its population density is about 9 persons per square kilometer (22 per sq. mi.), making it one of the most sparsely populated countries in the world. Its population is predominantly urban.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

                            China: Population: 1,321,851,888
                            http://geography.about.com/od/popula...population.htm
                            Jul 30 2008
                            With just over 1.3 billion people (1,330,044,605 as of mid-2008), China is the world's largest and most populous country.

                            As the world's population is approximately 6.7 billion, China represents a full 20% of the world's population so one in every five people on the planet is a resident of China.

                            China's population growth has been somewhat slowed by the one child policy, in effect since 1979.


                            It was actually easier to control the world back in the first century..when the world was much smaller. Rome actually did control the known world...remember the bible focuses on only certain parts of the world...mostly the middle east..where Europe is now and some parts of Africa. Read this when you get a chance of the different meanings of the word, 'world' in the bible: The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

                            When you read about all of Paul's travels in the bible, every place he went too was under Roman rule.

                            2. Political Events...same situation as before. Even with the G20 meeting today...if the Biblical interpretation of an Antichrist with the power to rule the world and control the buying/selling of the world, he would have to have a global network, and that might be in the works as we speak. Not, that I am saying that the Bible prophecy speaks to this, only that this is an interpretation held by some.
                            Ok if you hold to the idea the antichrist rules for three and a half years, he is going to have to have 6 billion people chipped in that time...many living in remote areas...plus three new babies are born every second in this world and most not in hospitals. To even keep up with the population growth would literally be impossible. Not too mention the manpower and the money...shoot their isn't enough money in this world to chip 6 billion people! Even if the AC had seven years...this simply cannot be done in seven years. Just too many people. Look at how long it takes to reach some people in areas hit by earthquakes because they live on mountains...took them months to reach this one group simply because of where they lived.


                            3. World events....such as the rapid growth of Islam. The global economy recession. There are more, but my brain is tired! Not that these events certainly point to the end....only that some of our contemporaries say that they do.
                            Since the world has seen economy recessions and depressions before and the antichrist didn't come...plus I see nothing in the bible saying that has to happen anyway...then I see no reason why any antichrist should come now.

                            4
                            . Some pagan prophecy. Of course I know not to put any stock in anything pagans proclaim...only that the devil knows he is coming to an end and may have an idea of when that would be....I actually had the Mayan prophecy in mind. There is reason to believe that they didn't actually foretell an end of the world...only an end to that cycle. Yet, it seems coincidental that that date is coming up and many other things point to a similar date.

                            5. Papal prophecy. Again, not Biblical, only anecdotal. There is a Papal prophecy, Malachi I believe, that lists a progression of Popes until the very last one. Dependant on the version, this pope is the last or next to the last. I don't want to go into a lot of detail 'cause I know it would ruffle feathers. But, I was familiar with the prophecy and what was called for with regard to this last Pope. When he was selected nothing about him rang true to the prophecy...until he chose his name and my jaw dropped. Still, maybe a coincidence.

                            6. I listed what has been said of the Arthurian legend. Secular, of course.

                            7. Technology-wise. If the Mark of the Beast is a future event, and I am not saying that it is, then the Antichrist would have to have a means of identifying his own by mortal means...chipping has a lot of people stirred up.
                            People have been stirred up about the end times for a very, very long time now..


                            8. Dispensational theories. Again, anything to them? I don't know. I was once taught that the 7 churches stood for the 7 church ages and that we were in the last one, so our Lord would be arriving soon.

                            9. The Muslims are looking for their own savior to return any minute and the listing of characteristics of their antichrist matches with our Christ and their savior matches with our Antichrist. Now, that to me is spooky. I make no apologies for feeling that way.

                            10. The financial aspect. Many TV religious commentators continue to speak about the current crisis heading us toward a global economy that allows the Antichrist to come on the scene. Their opinion, of course.

                            11. I can see how folks might have viewed the UN as the step toward a global government for the Antichrist to eventually control.

                            12. There are those that pointed to 1948 and 1967 as the beginning of the generation that was to see Christ's return....to tired to outline why.

                            I forgot to even mention the fact that I have heard folks say that the earth is 6,000 years old and that the Lord will give us our Sabbath during that last 1,000 years. Again, an interpretation.

                            The true point of my OP was to say that there are many in our generation that have the above situations going and consider that proof that this is the end...and my question was, haven't folks for the past 2,000 years had current events going on that they viewed as absolute proof that their time HAD to be THE time?

                            I hope that I have cleared up what I was trying to get across....
                            I agree! Every generation has thought it was there generation...and actually many in the past had a better reason to think so then we do!

                            God bless
                            "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for your input Moonglow. I am revived and relaxed now! Had a GREAT church service today!

                              There is just sooooo much to take in with regard to Endtimes. There was already so much to learn when I was studying the topic with only a Futurist view, now adding the Preterist view...Whew! I have my hands full!

                              I am glad to have this forum.

                              SAVED!

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