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  • The little horn (ac) will come from the east.

    Do you know that Daniel 8 reveals to us from what direction the pleasant place will be attacked?

    The little horn will head in three directions - east - south - and toward the pleasant land.
    So- we know then that Israel as the pleasant land must be in either the west or the north.

    ac attacks Irael
    plus he attacks to his south and his east

    so - How about this scenario?

    Med
    Sea ///Israel<......ac.....>goes east some
    ..............heads south.....................

    Since Israel is being used as a direction in Daniel 8 as to the little horn goes toward the pleasant [land] - we can use our other given clues to know that the little horn comes from the east to attack Israel.

    He is not from Israel - or from the south area of Israel -he is going to come from a nation off in the east.

    Iraq

    Iraq will take Israel - the area to the south of Israel and his land - and he will conquer to his east.

    But then as in foretold in the end of Daniel 11 - tidings out of the north and the east will trouble him.

    so - the picture now becomes clearer even

    .........................north troubles the ac...............
    Sea/////Israel..<...Iraqi ac..>.east - <then east troubles ac
    /....................the south gets conquered some................
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  • #2
    dan8:9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land

    i will say the little horn comes out of the north.

    devine destruction always comes from the north. God is sending a destroyer, a devine destroyer. The decree comes from above, from the north, from God Almighty.

    bennie

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    • #3
      Originally posted by vinsight4u8 View Post
      Do you know that Daniel 8 reveals to us from what direction the pleasant place will be attacked?

      The little horn will head in three directions - east - south - and toward the pleasant land.
      So- we know then that Israel as the pleasant land must be in either the west or the north.

      ac attacks Irael
      plus he attacks to his south and his east

      so - How about this scenario?

      Med
      Sea ///Israel<......ac.....>goes east some
      ..............heads south.....................

      Since Israel is being used as a direction in Daniel 8 as to the little horn goes toward the pleasant [land] - we can use our other given clues to know that the little horn comes from the east to attack Israel.

      He is not from Israel - or from the south area of Israel -he is going to come from a nation off in the east.

      Iraq

      Iraq will take Israel - the area to the south of Israel and his land - and he will conquer to his east.

      But then as in foretold in the end of Daniel 11 - tidings out of the north and the east will trouble him.

      so - the picture now becomes clearer even

      .........................north troubles the ac...............
      Sea/////Israel..<...Iraqi ac..>.east - <then east troubles ac
      /....................the south gets conquered some................
      11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
      11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
      11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
      11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
      11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

      We see that the antichrist takes over Israel earlier. The antichrist rules over the Meditteranean countries (Israel, Egypt, Libya) but his rule seems to stop at Jordan and Syria (Edom, Moab,Ammon)

      He lives in Israel (the tabernacles of his palace are in Israel). Reports from the east ALARM him.

      The antichrist does not come from the east, he lives in Israel and his enemies come from the east.



      Daniel lived during the rule of the Babylonian empire , Daniel 8 is a prophecy concerning the following two empires, Persia and Greece. It focusses on the period in which Antiochus (ruler of one of the four divisions of Alexander's Greek empire) defiles the Jewish temple for 1150 days until 165 BC. Daniel 8 does not concern the end-times.

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      • #4
        Daniel 8 - "at the time of the end [shall be] the vision"

        "when the trangressors are come to the full"

        "a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up"


        dark sentence = riddles
        The man of sin will understand riddles.


        such as - Nebuchadnezzar - had dreams and thoughts upon his bed

        such as - for the fierce countenance part - Deuteronomy 28:50-51
        as to Babylon
        "A nation of fierce countenance,...and he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle...until thou be destroyed..."
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        • #5
          The ac - an ancient king of Babylon comes to power again in Daniel 11:21 - and then we get the account of verse after verse what will take place. He takes down the prince of the covenant - and then makes a league - he goes against Egypt and Israel - but soon the ships of Chittim cause him to flee. The ac gets some evil helpers and takes the holy site - but in his own land the ac honours a strange god.

          Egypt comes against him - and this time the ac comes as a whirlwind - as in time to scatter Israel.


          Edom and such escape because they refused to drink from the cup taken to the nations in Jeremiah 25:15.
          Jeremiah 49:12

          Jeremiah 25:26 reveals that once all of the nations of the world get done drinking that Jeremiah wrote of - then and only then can the king of Sheshach drink - to fall.
          Sheshach = Babylon
          Iraq
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          • #6
            Daniel 11:14 is where we are now?

            Some try to say that we are all the way past even the war that comes between vs 14 -19 - but go look at the regular history books - as they show no one yet fits for this part.
            But Antiochus the Great was the king of the north -they cry?
            But it won't work- for look closely at the way he died.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by vinsight4u8 View Post
              Daniel 11:14 is where we are now?

              Some try to say that we are all the way past even the war that comes between vs 14 -19 - but go look at the regular history books - as they show no one yet fits for this part.
              But Antiochus the Great was the king of the north -they cry?
              But it won't work- for look closely at the way he died.

              i also agree that the horn in dan8 is not antiochus. but, then again, i dont believe it is a muslim that will come from babylon( the same babylon that God decreed will never be rebuilt) either. Dan8 desribes powers that no human have.

              bennie

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              • #8
                First Babylon (Shinar) is to rise again as shown many places in the Bible (both Old and New Test.) - then God won't ever let it get rebuilt again.

                Rev. 18 even speaks of Babylon - the one that made the nations drink.
                Jer. 25:15 reveals that it was Babylon in the days of Nebuchadnezzar that was to make the nations drink of her wrath.


                What do you think of Deuteronomy 28:48 - linked up with Jer. 28:14 and Jer. 30:6-9?
                as to the yoke parts

                &
                Habakkuk chapter 2 - as to a vision of the coming Chaldeans - that was to be written down that at the end it shall speak?

                Where would you say we are at in Daniel 8 and 11?
                Do you agree that the prophecy chapters both deal with the endtimes?
                "a king of fierce countenance"
                is coming one day

                Do you see that a future event?
                How about do you limit his nation boundary area to what was the Greek Empire?

                I don't see what causes you to seem to think this ruler is not human.
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                • #9
                  yeah... I agree Dan...8 ..the little horn is a prophecy of the A/C... not Antiochus...the vision explained by Gabriel is for the time of the end... the king fierce countenance will stand up against the Prince of princes...but will be broken without hand..

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vinsight4u8 View Post
                    First Babylon (Shinar) is to rise again as shown many places in the Bible (both Old and New Test.) - then God won't ever let it get rebuilt again.

                    Rev. 18 even speaks of Babylon - the one that made the nations drink.
                    Jer. 25:15 reveals that it was Babylon in the days of Nebuchadnezzar that was to make the nations drink of her wrath.


                    What do you think of Deuteronomy 28:48 - linked up with Jer. 28:14 and Jer. 30:6-9?
                    as to the yoke parts

                    &
                    Habakkuk chapter 2 - as to a vision of the coming Chaldeans - that was to be written down that at the end it shall speak?

                    Where would you say we are at in Daniel 8 and 11?
                    Do you agree that the prophecy chapters both deal with the endtimes?
                    "a king of fierce countenance"
                    is coming one day

                    Do you see that a future event?
                    How about do you limit his nation boundary area to what was the Greek Empire?

                    I don't see what causes you to seem to think this ruler is not human.
                    hi vinsight.

                    lets deal with dan8 1st. We both seem to agree that it is not Antoichus. You believe it is a future person coming from Irak. Now the prophecy in dan8 gives alot of criteria that this person need to fullfill. I do believe all the evevts in the prophecy must be fullfilled and ALL the the specifications must be met.
                    What is starry host?
                    2 Kings 17:16
                    They forsook all the commands of the LORD their God and made for themselves two idols cast in the shape of calves, and an Asherah pole. They bowed down to all the starry hosts, and they worshiped Baal
                    2 Kings 21:3
                    He rebuilt the high places his father Hezekiah had destroyed; he also erected altars to Baal and made an Asherah pole, as Ahab king of Israel had done. He bowed down to all the starry hosts and worshiped them.
                    Jeremiah 19:13
                    The houses in Jerusalem and those of the kings of Judah will be defiled like this place, Topheth—all the houses where they burned incense on the roofs to all the starry hosts and poured out drink offerings to other gods.' "

                    ok, here is just 3 examples of what a starry host is. It is false gods and/or religions. whould you agree? Ok so this person need to be able to take some false religions and fals gods and trample on them. whell i take it that he will have to show the false religions and false gods to be false. sorry, redundant, i know

                    What man/human that has ever lived( Jesus does not count) can do such an magnifisent act??

                    dan8:11 It set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought low:

                    The prince we would both agree is Jesus. So this "person" would set himself up as being god and take away the daily.( the word sacrifice is added by translators) What is the daily?? well, the priests had to make offerings and sacrifices every day in the morning and evening. Had to make an ofering for the nation as a corparate entity. The priests interceded with God on behalf of the nation. that was a daily service they did. hence the daily.
                    Now we have such Hight Priest in heaven right now. And He intercedes for us at this moment.
                    What person/human have the power to take away the daily from Jesus Christ?? Well you know the aswer to that. No one have the power to do that.

                    bennie

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cross+tie View Post
                      yeah... I agree Dan...8 ..the little horn is a prophecy of the A/C... not Antiochus...the vision explained by Gabriel is for the time of the end... the king fierce countenance will stand up against the Prince of princes...but will be broken without hand..
                      Would you see that ac as coming from the east being what Daniel 8 shows?

                      ac - little horn
                      goes > east, south, and toward Israel


                      so he heads east - but that was not in the direction of Israel
                      and south from his land wasn't toward Israel either

                      To get to Israel - the little horn will not go east or south.


                      Israel.....<little horn nation > east
                      ...................takes the south........


                      Daniel 8 refers to what seems to be the last transgressor at the holy site place.
                      After Anticohus of Epiphanes were others - including his own son - Antiochus Eupator.

                      V21
                      "...of Grecia....
                      V22
                      "...four stood up for it..."

                      Daniel 8:23
                      "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

                      I find it interesting that Deuteronomy 28:50 speaks of a nation of fierce countenance and then a he from the nation at V51.
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                      • #12
                        Hi bennie
                        What version are you posting from?

                        ex. KJV
                        Daniel 8:11 "....by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away.."

                        I don't know what you are heading to as to Jesus being our daily.

                        as in our daily [sacrifice]

                        Jesus was offered once.


                        "the place of His sanctuary was cast down"

                        Wouldn't this refer to the location of it at the holy site in Jerusalem?


                        The only war in heaven that Revelation shows is when Satan gets cast out and all the other wicked angels with him.
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                        • #13
                          hi vinsight

                          i use both the NIV and KJV. the text i left was from the NIV. sorry should have put that down.
                          Would you agree that Jesus is our High Priest in Heavan? He(Jesus) performs a daily service in heaven on behalf of the people of earth. I did explain in the previos post what a daily is in the OT.
                          When the AC (satan/lucifer) comes to earth there will be no more intersession from our high preist on a corporate level, only on an individual level..

                          bennie

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bennie View Post
                            i also agree that the horn in dan8 is not antiochus. but, then again, i dont believe it is a muslim that will come from babylon( the same babylon that God decreed will never be rebuilt) either. Dan8 desribes powers that no human have.

                            bennie
                            Where did God decree Babylon would never be rebuilt?

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                            • #15
                              Jesus is not our daily sacrifice. I'm not sure what is leading you to believe that. He shed His blood for us and entered into the holy place once for our sins.
                              as High Priest

                              Hebrews 7:27
                              Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice...for this he did once, when he offered himself up."
                              9:12 "...he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemtion [for us]."
                              (KJV)
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