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  • #31
    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

    Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
    What of the other 5 points? Who made atonement at that time?
    The 5 points were fulfilled when the Jews finally resisted apostasy and stayed loyal and returned to God.

    Daniel was praying in the first half and Daniel chapter 9 because the prophesied 70 years of Jeremiah was coming to an end and they were not repenting. Daniel is pleading to God for mercy but the Jews didn't repent and suffered the 7 fold judgement from Leviticus 26. The mercy came through the Macabean revolt when finally the temple was rededicated with the sacrifices thus the Jews were saved through their faith in a future Messiah.

    Sin does still continue today 2000 years after Jesus sin covering sacrifice but the faithful before and after the cross are all saved through it.

    If you use the decree of Cyrus to go back and rebuild Jerusalem and the temple as an anchor in time you will see that major events happened before and after the decree by using each separate set of weeks

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    • #32
      Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

      Originally posted by marty fox View Post
      The 5 points were fulfilled when the Jews finally resisted apostasy and stayed loyal and returned to God.
      I think only the blood of Christ once and for all can bring atonement , everlasting righteousness and anoint the most Holy place.
      And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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      • #33
        Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

        Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
        I think only the blood of Christ once and for all can bring atonement , everlasting righteousness and anoint the most Holy place.
        Yes of course but how could the OT faithful atone for there sins?

        They were saved by faith in a future Messiah and their sin sacrifices was their faith in action. The Jews turned away from God and they were taken into captivity by Babylon but the faithful line was kept through Daniel and his friends so unlike Sodom and Gomorrah God found some righteous men. When the temple was rededicated the Jews could put their faith back into action by the sacrifices.
        Last edited by marty fox; Oct 13th 2018, 09:20 PM. Reason: added info

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        • #34
          Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

          Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
          Do you disagree that atonement has already been made.? If it has been made then it was completed in the 70th week, along with the rest of those points
          Amen! Daniel 9:24 is one of the finest atonement statements in the Bible.
          "Your name and renown
          is the desire of our hearts."
          (Isaiah 26:8)

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          • #35
            Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

            OK, let’s talk about the first day of the 70th week. I’ve explained how the biblical Sabbath years started on the 1st Nisan – not Tishri as it was changed during the inter-testament period. So, in Jesus time New Year would have been considered ‘Rosh Hashanah’, but in Daniel and Ezra’s time it was Nisan.

            Now look at the date of Artaxerxes decree, when Ezra began to prepare for his trip. “For on the first day of the first month (Nisan) he began to go up from Babylonia.” (Ezra 7:9) In other words, Daniel’s seventy weeks began on the very first day of the calendar year. It was also the very first day of a Sabbatical cycle.

            Since this is so, we must count the ‘weeks’ from the 1st of Nisan on Artaxerxes decree, and we arrive on the first day of the seventieth week. That day was, 1st Nisan (27th March) AD 27 (Yes, it was also the very first day of a Sabbatical cycle. The previous year AD 26 had been a Sabbath.)

            Even more interesting is what John and Luke say about it. (coming up)
            "Your name and renown
            is the desire of our hearts."
            (Isaiah 26:8)

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            • #36
              Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

              Originally posted by marty fox View Post
              Yes of course but how could the OT faithful atone for there sins?

              They were saved by faith in a future Messiah and their sin sacrifices was their faith in action. The Jews turned away from God and they were taken into captivity by Babylon but the faithful line was kept through Daniel and his friends so unlike Sodom and Gomorrah God found some righteous men. When the temple was rededicated the Jews could put their faith back into action by the sacrifices.
              That still wasn't enough to bring in everlasting righteousness, as they went through the process every year. The 70 weeks can only be referring to the blood of the new cov . No need for the sanctuary under the New , so it was predicted to fall again shortly after?
              And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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              • #37
                Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                Originally posted by Cyberseeker View Post
                OK, let’s talk about the first day of the 70th week. I’ve explained how the biblical Sabbath years started on the 1st Nisan – not Tishri as it was changed during the inter-testament period. So, in Jesus time New Year would have been considered ‘Rosh Hashanah’, but in Daniel and Ezra’s time it was Nisan.

                Now look at the date of Artaxerxes decree, when Ezra began to prepare for his trip. “For on the first day of the first month (Nisan) he began to go up from Babylonia.” (Ezra 7:9) In other words, Daniel’s seventy weeks began on the very first day of the calendar year. It was also the very first day of a Sabbatical cycle.

                Since this is so, we must count the ‘weeks’ from the 1st of Nisan on Artaxerxes decree, and we arrive on the first day of the seventieth week. That day was, 1st Nisan (27th March) AD 27 (Yes, it was also the very first day of a Sabbatical cycle. The previous year AD 26 had been a Sabbath.)

                Even more interesting is what John and Luke say about it. (coming up)
                Cool..….....
                And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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                • #38
                  Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                  Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                  That still wasn't enough to bring in everlasting righteousness, as they went through the process every year. The 70 weeks can only be referring to the blood of the new cov . No need for the sanctuary under the New , so it was predicted to fall again shortly after?

                  2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


                  This righteousness mentioned in this verse, would it fall under the classification of everlasting righteousness, or would it fall under the classification of some other kind of righteousness? If the latter, what other kind would it fall under. If the former, and that everlasting righteousness had already been brought in when Peter penned these words, why was he still looking for it in the future then?

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                  • #39
                    Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                    Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                    That still wasn't enough to bring in everlasting righteousness, as they went through the process every year. The 70 weeks can only be referring to the blood of the new cov . No need for the sanctuary under the New , so it was predicted to fall again shortly after?
                    Its weird when we don't fully agree eh LOL?

                    I see what you are saying and agree as in only Jesus' blood can atone for sin but this was their only way of taking part in it. The 70 weeks are a hope of Jesus they are looking forward to Jesus just like the snake on the pole back in Mosses day. All who looked on it were healed just like all who look to the cross are healed.

                    The big question is that if Jesus was literally a part of the 70 weeks they how come no NT writer proclaims it? The NT is full of Jesus fulfilling OT prophecies especially in the book of Mathew but the NT never proclaims Jesus fulfilling any part of the 70 weeks would that really be missed?

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                    • #40
                      Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                      Originally posted by divaD View Post
                      2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


                      This righteousness mentioned in this verse, would it fall under the classification of everlasting righteousness, or would it fall under the classification of some other kind of righteousness? If the latter, what other kind would it fall under. If the former, and that everlasting righteousness had already been brought in when Peter penned these words, why was he still looking for it in the future then?
                      I think because in that future time there won't be any sin committed

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                      • #41
                        Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                        Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                        It not just about the city, but the people also. Was atonement made for the people before the sanctuary was destroyed again in 70 AD? I believe it was, once and for all. This established an everlasting righteousness for us.
                        Jesus had said he had completed the work God sent him to do , yet predicted the destruction of the sanctuary and the city. He ascended to the Father to prepare the city for us that will descend for us in the future. We are the city.
                        Amen we are that city

                        Revelation 21:2 & 9-10
                        2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

                        9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                          Folks you have all errored...…..the false premise is that the 70 weeks has anything to do with the first advent. It has NOTHING to do with it!!!

                          The phrase "cut off" does not mean death on the cross

                          26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

                          All come to the fact that this means his death on the cross, but does it? No. Prior to the second coming Christ will be "cut off" from the inhabitants though they will search to and fro they shall not find it. The door has been shut.

                          Joel 1
                          5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.

                          Amos
                          8 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

                          Dan 12
                          4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

                          Luke 11
                          7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.

                          Matt 25
                          11 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

                          He has cut off access from the world!!!!


                          The prophecy deals with Israel not the church at the second coming


                          Covenant confirmed = Abrahamic (what do you think Daniel has been speaking about the entire chapter). Thus "he" who confirms it is Christ.

                          The people of the prince = God's army and the prince is Christ. They shall destroy the city (Jerusalem/Babylon) with a flood during a time of battle (Armageddon) which in the end Christ will make desolate and following judgement.

                          Note it is the AC which will give the commandment to rebuild the city.


                          70th week is the 7 day Feast of Tabernacles

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                          • #43
                            Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                            Originally posted by jeffweeder View Post
                            It not just about the city, but the people also. Was atonement made for the people before the sanctuary was destroyed again in 70 AD? I believe it was, once and for all. This established an everlasting righteousness for us.
                            Jesus had said he had completed the work God sent him to do , yet predicted the destruction of the sanctuary and the city. He ascended to the Father to prepare the city for us that will descend for us in the future. We are the city.
                            Nicely said.

                            Jesus! The final sacrifice, no need for any other!
                            “A” cannot be “A” & not “A” at the same time.

                            מקום כניעה סך הכל

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                            • #44
                              Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                              Originally posted by divaD View Post
                              2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


                              This righteousness mentioned in this verse, would it fall under the classification of everlasting righteousness, or would it fall under the classification of some other kind of righteousness? If the latter, what other kind would it fall under. If the former, and that everlasting righteousness had already been brought in when Peter penned these words, why was he still looking for it in the future then?
                              Jesus has already obtained all these things for us , ready to be revealed to us in the last time when we are glorified. Our living hope is the NHNE where righteousness dwells.

                              1Pet 1
                              3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
                              And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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                              • #45
                                Re: Exact Dates for the 70th Week

                                Originally posted by bluesky22 View Post
                                Nicely said.

                                Jesus! The final sacrifice, no need for any other!
                                What more can he do for us, as we can receive his Holy Spirit ?

                                He will come and get us is what and he will receive us to himself in the glory of his Father.
                                And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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