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  • #46
    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
    Why are my posts doubling up? I send it quick reply should I hit another icon instead / thanks for your help.
    It usually does that. It's a glitch in the forum that hasn't been fixed.
    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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    • #47
      Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

      Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
      If you would cite your anti-christ false prophet statement please.
      The word AC is not found in Rev. The only term John uses in that book is false prophet. Do you believe the little horn is the AC in Daniel? If so I can prove the false prophet is the AC in the book of Rev.

      Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
      If you would cite your anti-christ false prophet statement please.
      The word AC is not found in Rev. The only term John uses in that book is false prophet. Do you believe the little horn is the AC in Daniel? If so I can prove the false prophet is the AC in the book of Rev.
      James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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      • #48
        Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

        Yes, the antichrist is going to speak against the Lord. The antichrist is going to be a legalistic to nth degree completely putting apostate Israel back under the Law. Donít forget when antichrist comes up from the pit his fallen angel army comes with him and he is their kingdom. The rest of the fallen angels held under the Euphrates River are released at this time. Just like that the Lordís prophecy that as in the Days of Noah it all is fulfilled. The fallen angels who left their rightful place once more walk the earth. Just as the Christ comes with His angels antichrist comes with his fallen angels.

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        • #49
          Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

          By the way in re. 17:9-10 we are told the heads and mountains are interchangeable. The seven heads are 7 kings and they are mountains too.

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          • #50
            Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

            Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
            By the way in re. 17:9-10 we are told the heads and mountains are interchangeable. The seven heads are 7 kings and they are mountains too.
            The 7 kings are not the 7 mountains of the beast. Those are two very different things.

            Many of the 7 kings had fallen at John's time, but the 7 heads of the beast were all future and none of them fall are written to fall. All 7 are intact through the entire tribulation.

            The problem is never confuse the 7 heads/mountains of the Rev 13:1 beast with the 7 fallen or falling kings and kingdoms in Rev 17. One manuscript does confuse them as being the same which leads to many errors but the manuscripts the KJV is based upon does not confuse them as being the same.
            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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            • #51
              Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

              The beast from the land is from Israel, and it serves the beast from the sea, a foreign empire. The two horns represent two kings, as horns usually do.

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              • #52
                Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                Originally posted by Bryan Pergola View Post
                The beast from the land is from Israel, and it serves the beast from the sea, a foreign empire. The two horns represent two kings, as horns usually do.
                The dragon is himself a sea/land beast. So what we have in Rev 13 is the dragon coming up from the sea onto land.

                The dragon coming up from the sea in rev 13 is the head healed it is the eighth head the little horn. The dragon whom received a head would in battle (rev 12) in heaven will be revived and healed when he unites with the 7th king on earth culminating in the eighth king.

                The two horns representing the linage this eighth king/lamb is tying to claim, from the tribe of Judah.

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                • #53
                  Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                  Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                  The 7 kings are not the 7 mountains of the beast. Those are two very different things.

                  Many of the 7 kings had fallen at John's time, but the 7 heads of the beast were all future and none of them fall are written to fall. All 7 are intact through the entire tribulation.
                  The 7 heads and the seven kings are one in the same.

                  What is confusing you is that you take the vision in Rev 17 to be during John's time however in chapter 17 John is seeing a future vision wherein at that time 5 had fallen. Thus not understanding this you come up with two sets of 7 kings.....

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                  • #54
                    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                    Originally posted by Bryan Pergola View Post
                    The beast from the land is from Israel, and it serves the beast from the sea, a foreign empire. The two horns represent two kings, as horns usually do.
                    The two horns of the false prophet shows that he is going to be two kings. He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

                    Rev 17:10* And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.*
                    Rev 17:11* And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.*

                    This is the second beast, the false prophet who is also known in other writings as the antichrist.

                    Rev 13:11* And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.*

                    These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

                    G721
                    ̓ρνίον
                    arnion
                    ar-nee'-on
                    Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
                    Total KJV occurrences: 30

                    Originally posted by Bryan Pergola View Post
                    The beast from the land is from Israel, and it serves the beast from the sea, a foreign empire. The two horns represent two kings, as horns usually do.
                    The two horns of the false prophet shows that he is going to be two kings. He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

                    Rev 17:10* And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.*
                    Rev 17:11* And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.*

                    This is the second beast, the false prophet who is also known in other writings as the antichrist.

                    Rev 13:11* And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.*

                    These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

                    G721
                    ̓ρνίον
                    arnion
                    ar-nee'-on
                    Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
                    Total KJV occurrences: 30
                    James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                      Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                      The dragon is himself a sea/land beast. So what we have in Rev 13 is the dragon coming up from the sea onto land.

                      The dragon coming up from the sea in rev 13 is the head healed it is the eighth head the little horn.
                      That beast is not the dragon since the dragon his that beast it's power:

                      Rev 13:2* And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.*

                      The beast also never has 8 heads. It only ever has 7 heads. The Antichrist is not an extra head but is a a king of this 7 headed/10 horned beast and will be known as the 8th king who is of the 7th king, dual roles as a king, Rev 17.
                      James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                        Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                        The 7 heads and the seven kings are one in the same.
                        No they are not. 5 of the 7,8 kings were fallen and gone when John wrote Rev. He said the current one was falling, which was Rome. Then he said the 7th would come and only last a short time, and an 8th king would come and be of the 7th so at the most that leaves two kings left but the Rev 13 beast does not appear with only one or two heads. It has all 7 heads, none had fallen in the past and none ever fall while this beast exists.

                        What is confusing you is that you take the vision in Rev 17 to be during John's time however in chapter 17 John is seeing a future vision wherein at that time 5 had fallen. Thus not understanding this you come up with two sets of 7 kings.....
                        No, there is one set of 7 kings with an 8th. You are confusing the heads which are mountains with kings which are never called heads or mountains. You also fail to understand most of the kings fall at some point and cannot be the 7 heads/mountains because they don't fall. The kings are also consecutive while the heads aren't.

                        These are really inexcusable errors when one realizes what the text says about the 7 kings vs. the 7 mountains. The shortest way to show the error is that the kings fall away consecutively, the mountains don't fall and aren't consecutive at all.
                        James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                          That beast is not the dragon since the dragon his that beast it's power:
                          The beast is part of the dragon himself. The dragon has many parts (7 heads, 10 horns) in which he is head. So the first beast rising up in Rev 13 may not be technically the dragon himself but comes forth from the dragon. Much like the son from the father.



                          The beast also never has 8 heads. It only ever has 7 heads. The Antichrist is not an extra head but is a a king of this 7 headed/10 horned beast and will be known as the 8th king who is of the 7th king, dual roles as a king, Rev 17.
                          Ok, 8th head, 8th king you get the point. The 8th king is actually of all seven kings not just the 7th. The 8th king will be Satan + the 7th king wherein I see this as the second beast Rev 13.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                            Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                            No they are not. 5 of the 7,8 kings were fallen and gone when John wrote Rev. He said the current one was falling, which was Rome.
                            John is seeing rev 17 in the future not in his time. And at the time in the future 5 had fallen. Need to understand what the 7 kings represent . They do not represent 7 past kings they are one group of the dragon's government which together will come upon the earth at one time.

                            So to date none of the seven kings have fallen.

                            No, there is one set of 7 kings with an 8th. You are confusing the heads which are mountains with kings which are never called heads or mountains. You also fail to understand most of the kings fall at some point and cannot be the 7 heads/mountains because they don't fall. The kings are also consecutive while the heads aren't.
                            The seven heads/mountains are holding up the woman the city. So what is the city resting upon? The church, seven churches in fact likened unto the City of God and the seven churches thereof. So there are seven churches in the beast kingdom now if you want to say there are also seven literal mountains on which these 7 churches reside go for it. What we really have in Rev 17 is a city in the midst of mountains likened like Jerusalem in the mountains of Zion. The mountains to me are symbolic and represent the churches in which these kingdom reside.

                            These are really inexcusable errors when one realizes what the text says about the 7 kings vs. the 7 mountains. The shortest way to show the error is that the kings fall away consecutively, the mountains don't fall and aren't consecutive at all.
                            So the seven heads and mountains represent the same again I see this as seven churches. Thereby the 7 kings are 7 leaders of each of these churches likened unto the 7 angels and the 7 churches in God's kingdom

                            Once again proving the 7 kings are not past kings including Rome.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                              Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                              John is seeing rev 17 in the future not in his time.
                              He was told that 5 kings had already fallen and one was falling at his time.

                              Rev 17:10* And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.*


                              And at the time in the future 5 had fallen. Need to understand what the 7 kings represent . They do not represent 7 past kings they are one group of the dragon's government which together will come upon the earth at one time.
                              That is impossible since it says some fell before others arose.
                              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                                Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
                                He was told that 5 kings had already fallen and one was falling at his time.

                                Rev 17:10* And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.*
                                Let's continue with your assumption which is the majority view...Ö

                                So who was the 6th king which was ruling during John's time?

                                Then who was the 7th king thereafter.? Note also the 7th king only rules for a short space whereby the 8th king would come immediately after.

                                You see there should not be thousands of years between any of the kings reigning. One falls and another replaces.

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