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  • #61
    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

    May I interject that in the last days the prophet Zec. Tells us of the events that will be taking place with Israel. It is the time for the Evil Shepherd antichrist we are shown the invisible and there is apostate Israel and God has two shepherds staves. The first one is called Favor and the Lord entered into a covenant with the Gentile nations not to destroy Israel. Now the time was at hand that the Lord would no longer keep Israel safe from the Gentile nations.

    The second staff was called Union and it was the bond Jew feels towards each Jew but this staff was to be broken leaving the nation of Israel a divided kingdom once more. A divided kingdom that has two horns in the southern kingdom and 10 in the northern kingdom. Not only are we shown this ten kings kingdom but 3 of these ten are plucked up.aving 7 heads and 10 crowns.

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    • #62
      Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

      The second beast is two small locations (two little horns) in unity, with religious authority over much of the world. The Vatican and the Istanbul Caliphate.

      They both together in unity, support the rise to power of the man of sin in Jerusalem.

      The fact that they are both in the old capitals of the Roman Empire shows that this two-part second beast, and the first beast as well, are together the final expression of the Roman Empire.

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      • #63
        Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

        Well, it doesn't say the dragon coming up from the sea in Rev 13 is the head healed, or the eighty head the little horn. You have combined prophecies. It also does not say the head wound was in battle. It doesn't say any of these things.

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        • #64
          Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

          Originally posted by ewq1938 View Post
          The two horns of the false prophet shows that he is going to be two kings. He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

          Rev 17:10* And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.*
          Rev 17:11* And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.*

          This is the second beast, the false prophet who is also known in other writings as the antichrist.

          Rev 13:11* And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.*

          These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

          G721
          ̓ρνίον
          arnion
          ar-nee'-on
          Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
          Total KJV occurrences: 30



          The two horns of the false prophet shows that he is going to be two kings. He is the 7th and 8th king mentioned here:

          Rev 17:10* And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.*
          Rev 17:11* And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.*

          This is the second beast, the false prophet who is also known in other writings as the antichrist.

          Rev 13:11* And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.*

          These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

          G721
          ̓ρνίον
          arnion
          ar-nee'-on
          Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
          Total KJV occurrences: 30
          Well, the beast from the land having two horns would indeed be two kings, but there is a gap between them, "five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come" not yet come when this was written, that is. So the two horns are numbers 5 and 7, since the beast itself is also 8 and would continue.

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          • #65
            Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

            Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
            Let's continue with your assumption which is the majority view...…

            So who was the 6th king which was ruling during John's time?

            Then who was the 7th king thereafter.? Note also the 7th king only rules for a short space whereby the 8th king would come immediately after.

            You see there should not be thousands of years between any of the kings reigning. One falls and another replaces.
            Nothing here challenges the correct understanding that John was told 5 kings had already fallen and one was falling at that current time.
            James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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            • #66
              Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

              Originally posted by Bryan Pergola View Post
              Well, the beast from the land having two horns would indeed be two kings, but there is a gap between them, "five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come" not yet come when this was written, that is. So the two horns are numbers 5 and 7, since the beast itself is also 8 and would continue.
              The two little horns can only be the 7th and 8th king. John says 5 fell, and one was falling at his time so that eliminates the horns of the FP as being any of the first 6. Since the FP rules over the ten horned empire, the empire was the 7th king/kingdom with the FP in a non-public role as leader and then when it is time, he is made public as that 8th king who was of the 7th.
              James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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              • #67
                Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                May I interject that in the last days the prophet Zec. Tells us of the events that will be taking place with Israel. It is the time for the Evil Shepherd antichrist. The invisible is made visible to us through the text the Prophet wrote for us. Zechariah tells us of a flock marked for destruction, apostate Israel. Then the Lord takes a shepherds staff which had been named "Favor." This was a covenant the Lord had made with the nations where they could not destroy the nation of Israel. In Isaiah 5 this is likened to a hedge of protection. But their disobedience let to the Lord removing that protection and with every attack from suicide squads to large military attacks has not driven apostate Israel back to her God instead apostate Israel is building a wall. So in that yet future meeting the staff of protection will be broken completely. Then there is the second staff called Union. The unity between the northern tribes and the southern tribes is going to cause apostate Israel to become a divided kingdom again. The southern kingdom has two horns/ tribes and the northern kingdom has 10 other tribes. This accounts for the 12 horns/ heads or whatever you want to call them. But it does not end there as the northern kingdom has ten tribes and three of them have been plucked up leaving seven heads/ horns just as you are shown in the Revelation. There has never been a kingdom that had 10 leaders serving all at the same time than the northern kingdom of Israel and she is coming back. A simple reading of Zechariah 11 tells you what is being revealed to us in the Old Testament is actually the Revelation without all the images you have to guess at. Here is part of the revelation as you haven't seen it or heard it before.

                The story of antichrist and Satan is just as fascinating and revealed to us in these O.T. prophecies.

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                • #68
                  Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                  Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                  But it does not end there as the northern kingdom has ten tribes and three of them have been plucked up leaving seven heads/ horns just as you are shown in the Revelation.
                  Rev shows 10 horns not 7, and there was always 7 heads when the beast arises and that number never changes either. We cannot force Daniel's writing of 3 horns being plucked up into the book of Revelation because never are 3 horns plucked up in Rev.
                  James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                    if you look again I am using the Prophet Zecharaih and it is clearly the timr when antichrist is coming on the scene. If this prophecy that runs through Zecharaih, Daniel and the Revekation are not the same then you have two 10 king kingdom in the Revelation and must account for the second one. I am sure you are aware that the prophecies in Scripture are not chronological.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                      Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                      if you look again I am using the Prophet Zecharaih and it is clearly the timr when antichrist is coming on the scene. If this prophecy that runs through Zecharaih, Daniel and the Revekation are not the same then you have two 10 king kingdom in the Revelation and must account for the second one. I am sure you are aware that the prophecies in Scripture are not chronological.
                      For some reason it won't let me edit it. I meant to add that she is clearly seen in Revelation 13.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                        13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?

                        Clearly the three missing is seen here with 10 horns and seven heads and there was 10 as the crown total 10 as well. Zechariah 11 explains to us what took place the Lord plucked up the three missing

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                        • #72
                          Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                          Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                          13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?

                          Clearly the three missing is seen here with 10 horns and seven heads and there was 10 as the crown total 10 as well. Zechariah 11 explains to us what took place the Lord plucked up the three missing
                          There is nothing missing in that passage. The beast rises with 7 heads and ten horns and keeps all of them until it is cast into the LOF.

                          Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                          13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?

                          Clearly the three missing is seen here with 10 horns and seven heads and there was 10 as the crown total 10 as well. Zechariah 11 explains to us what took place the Lord plucked up the three missing
                          There is nothing missing in that passage. The beast rises with 7 heads and ten horns and keeps all of them until it is cast into the LOF.
                          James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                            Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                            13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?

                            Clearly the three missing is seen here with 10 horns and seven heads and there was 10 as the crown total 10 as well. Zechariah 11 explains to us what took place the Lord plucked up the three missing
                            The three which were plucked are the lion, bear, leopard. Notice that in Rev 13 they are part of the fourth beast now.

                            12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (lion, bear, leopard), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

                            17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
                            18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
                            19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
                            20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell (lion, bear, leopard); even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

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                            • #74
                              The three plucked up are the Lion, Bear, Leopard

                              Dan 7
                              12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (lion, bear, leopard), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

                              Daniel names specifically three whom lose power. Lion, Bear, Leopard.

                              Dan 7
                              19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
                              20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell (lion, bear, leopard); even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

                              Who were the three which lost power? Lion, Bear, Leopard. Thus these are the three which fall above at the hands of the fourth beast.

                              Rev 13
                              1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
                              2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

                              Revelation confirms the three which fell are the lion, bear, leopard and now encompass the fourth beast. Rev 13 show the rising of this fourth beast which now the lion, bear, and leopard are part.

                              Dan 7
                              8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

                              Unfortunately nobody focuses on the above but rather focuses on that the three which fell are 3 of the 10 horns per the verse above. However nowhere in scripture is this supported in fact it is impossible that 3 of the 10 horns fall as all 10 are intact until the coming of the Lord. Verse 8 may actually be a translation error in light of the other scriptures and should say "first beasts" instead of first horns. Reguardless, horns can be beasts as well.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Second beast Rev 13 will claim to be a decendent of David from the tribe of Judah

                                Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
                                The three which were plucked are the lion, bear, leopard. Notice that in Rev 13 they are part of the fourth beast now.

                                12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (lion, bear, leopard), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

                                17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
                                18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
                                19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
                                20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell (lion, bear, leopard); even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
                                "which was diverse from all the others" means the previous three are not part of the 4th beast and therefore cannot be the three horns plucked up. The lion, bear, leopard were gone before the 4th beast rose up.
                                James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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