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    Friends, we should all be aware of soon to happen, dramatic changes coming to this world. Many things simply cannot continue as they are for much longer.
    The Bible prophets tell us, in great detail of many things that will take place, leading up to the glorious Return of our Lord Jesus for His Millennial reign.

    Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-33, when the fig tree buds, then the present generation [those alive when that happens] will live to see it all. All meaning; prophesied events.
    The fig tree is a metaphor for the Jewish people, Jeremiah 24:4-7 and the only possible fulfilment of that prophecy is the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, in a small part of the holy Land.

    Jesus quoted the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1-2a at the commencement of His earthly ministry. Luke 4:18-21 He carefully left off the remainder of that chapter, for what was not to be fulfilled at that time was the Day of the Lordís vengeance and wrath.
    This terrible world changing Day, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7, is what we can expect to happen in the near future. It will be triggered by an attack onto Israel by an Islamic confederation of peoples and nations and Iran will attempt to fire nuke missiles at Israel and order their proxies to attack, but God will cause their weapons to explode upon themselves. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 11:4-6, Joel 3:4, Jeremiah 49:35-37

    Many prophesies say how all those who believe in God and keep His Laws, should call upon His Name, [Jesus] on that Day and they will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
    He will protect us; sending angels from heaven to save His own people, Psalms 57:1-3, Isaiah 43:2, as He did for the 3 men in the furnace; Daniel 3:19-27
    Then, we have the Lordís promises of the gathering of His Christian people into all of the holy Land, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 66:18-21, Romans 9:24-26, to live there as He always intended; being His witnesses and sending out missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.

    Over 100 years ago, a teaching was promoted, saying that before any disasters would happen, God will take His people up to live in heaven and they would return with Him for the Millennium.
    This teaching is not found in the Bible, as Dr John Walvoord; a rapture proponent, did actually admit. Scriptures like John 14:1-3 and 1 Thess. 4:15-17 are touted as rapture proofs, but they pertain to the end of the Millennium and at the Return of Jesus respectively and in no way do they, or any other verses say anyone will go to live in heaven. Jesus refutes that false idea in John 3:13 No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there.

    What we Christians are all exhorted to do when disaster strikes, is to pray for the strength and God given protection to survive that Day, 1 Cor. 10:11-13, 1 Peter 1:7 and to be found worthy to live in the holy Land, as the Israelites of God. 1 Peter 1:9-10
    Remember this truth: all the promises of God to Israel now applies to Christians. Galatians 3:26-29, 6:14-16 Jesus came to extend salvation to all who will accept it and now we are His people, bought by Jesusí blood, chosen by Him and destined to be with Him on earth forever. Isaiah 49:8, Revelation 5:9-10

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    Re: hange is Coming

    Originally posted by Keraz View Post
    Friends, we should all be aware of soon to happen, dramatic changes coming to this world. Many things simply cannot continue as they are for much longer.
    The Bible prophets tell us, in great detail of many things that will take place, leading up to the glorious Return of our Lord Jesus for His Millennial reign.

    Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-33, when the fig tree buds, then the present generation [those alive when that happens] will live to see it all. All meaning; prophesied events.
    The fig tree is a metaphor for the Jewish people, Jeremiah 24:4-7 and the only possible fulfilment of that prophecy is the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, in a small part of the holy Land.
    I doubt this. The prophecy does not say; "when you see the Fig Tree in existence". It says; "when the Fig Tree puts forth LEAVES". According to Genesis 3 the leaves of a Fig Tree are things that Adam and Eve did to justify themselves before God. Thus, the existence of Israel as a State in 1948 is not the fulfillment of that prophecy. The Law, which Israel use to justify themselves before God, can only be DONE when a Temple stands in Jerusalem.

    Originally posted by Keraz View Post
    Jesus quoted the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1-2a at the commencement of His earthly ministry. Luke 4:18-21 He carefully left off the remainder of that chapter, for what was not to be fulfilled at that time was the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath.
    This terrible world changing Day, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7, is what we can expect to happen in the near future. It will be triggered by an attack onto Israel by an Islamic confederation of peoples and nations and Iran will attempt to fire nuke missiles at Israel and order their proxies to attack, but God will cause their weapons to explode upon themselves. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 11:4-6, Joel 3:4, Jeremiah 49:35-37
    Contrary to this, the disaster comes when the shout is "PEACE AND SAFETY" - not war. (1st Thess.5:3).

    Originally posted by Keraz View Post
    Many prophesies say how all those who believe in God and keep His Laws, should call upon His Name, [Jesus] on that Day and they will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
    He will protect us; sending angels from heaven to save His own people, Psalms 57:1-3, Isaiah 43:2, as He did for the 3 men in the furnace; Daniel 3:19-27
    Then, we have the Lord’s promises of the gathering of His Christian people into all of the holy Land, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 66:18-21, Romans 9:24-26, to live there as He always intended; being His witnesses and sending out missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
    "Protection?" "Safety?" "Salvation?" I think not. Revelation 20:4; "... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; ... ."

    Originally posted by Keraz View Post
    Over 100 years ago, a teaching was promoted, saying that before any disasters would happen, God will take His people up to live in heaven and they would return with Him for the Millennium.
    This teaching is not found in the Bible, as Dr John Walvoord; a rapture proponent, did actually admit. Scriptures like John 14:1-3 and 1 Thess. 4:15-17 are touted as rapture proofs, but they pertain to the end of the Millennium and at the Return of Jesus respectively and in no way do they, or any other verses say anyone will go to live in heaven. Jesus refutes that false idea in John 3:13 No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there.
    How can 1st Thessalonians 4:15.17 pertain to the end of the Millennium when the resurrection of the saints is set for "When He comes" (1st Cor.15:23)? You have just said in paragraph 1 above; "... the glorious Return of our Lord Jesus for His Millennial reign."

    Originally posted by Keraz View Post
    What we Christians are all exhorted to do when disaster strikes, is to pray for the strength and God given protection to survive that Day, 1 Cor. 10:11-13, 1 Peter 1:7 and to be found worthy to live in the holy Land, as the Israelites of God. 1 Peter 1:9-10
    Remember this truth: all the promises of God to Israel now applies to Christians. Galatians 3:26-29, 6:14-16 Jesus came to extend salvation to all who will accept it and now we are His people, bought by Jesus’ blood, chosen by Him and destined to be with Him on earth forever. Isaiah 49:8, Revelation 5:9-10
    In Galatians 3:26-29 only ONE promise is applied to the Church - that of inheriting the earth. It is "THE Promise" (singular).

    In Galatians 6:12-16 the context is a COMPARISON of TWO ANTAGONISTIC PARTIES
    • verse 12 (i) those uncircumcised who are goaded to (ii) be the circumcised
    • verse 13 (i) those circumcised who keep the Law, and (ii) those uncircumcised who are goaded to keep the Law
    • verse 14 (i) those circumcised who break the Law, and (ii) those who the circumcised would like to glory in
    • verse 15 (i) the Circumcision and (ii) the New Creature
    • verse 16 (i) those who walk according to the rule of the New Creature and (ii) those of the Israel of God - sons of Jacob of OLD
    • verse 16 The word "AND" is a conjunction. It automatically implies two or more things. The word "and" is also sequential. It implies one comes after the other. The word "and" is copulative. It implies an additional thing.

    For whatever reasons you have seriously misrepresented your two scriptures from Galatians.

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    • #3
      Re: hange is Coming

      Originally posted by Keraz View Post
      Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-33, when the fig tree buds, then the present generation [those alive when that happens] will live to see it all. All meaning; prophesied events.
      The fig tree is a metaphor for the Jewish people, Jeremiah 24:4-7 and the only possible fulfilment of that prophecy is the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, in a small part of the holy Land.

      Jesus quoted the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1-2a at the commencement of His earthly ministry. Luke 4:18-21 He carefully left off the remainder of that chapter, for what was not to be fulfilled at that time was the Day of the Lordís vengeance and wrath.
      This terrible world changing Day, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7, is what we can expect to happen in the near future. It will be triggered by an attack onto Israel by an Islamic confederation of peoples and nations and Iran will attempt to fire nuke missiles at Israel and order their proxies to attack, but God will cause their weapons to explode upon themselves. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 11:4-6, Joel 3:4, Jeremiah 49:35-37
      I just want to leave aside your reference to contemporary events, in the light of biblical prophecy, and focus on your interpretation of the "fig tree blossoming" in Matt 24. I will try to get back to your views on current prophetic fulfillment later, which may have some validity. I just don't believe that your reference to the "fig tree," holds up as a proof text in this regard.

      Jesus is, I believe, talking about the signs of the imminent destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in his own day. He was clearly predicting the fall of the temple, "stone by stone," and indicated that "all these things will take place in this generation."

      And so, the budding of the fig tree indicated that he viewed the Israel of his day as approaching what normally would be a harvest season, particularly with their Messiah in their midst. But instead, in the midst of what should be the harvest, Israel will be cut off. "All these things," ie the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, will take place.

      This is how previous prophets viewed this. They saw earlier times when Israel should've been entering into a "harvest time." And instead of enjoying the fruits of their labor, God brought judgment against them, spoiling the summer harvest. The leaves came, the fruit began to ripen, and suddenly the harvest was destroyed. That is what Jesus was talking about--not today's Israel. I will leave aside any application, by principle, of this to modern Israel today.

      Here are some of the applicable references...
      Isaiah 18.6 They will all be left to the mountain birds of prey and to the wild animals; the birds will feed on them all summer, the wild animals all winter.
      Jer 8.20 The harvest is past, the summer has ended, and we are not saved.
      Amos 3.15 "I will tear down the winter house along with the summer house; the houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed and the mansions will be demolished,Ē declares the Lord.
      Micah 7.1 What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard; there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early figs that I crave.
      Matt 24.32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.

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      • #4
        Re: hange is Coming

        Thanks Walls and Randyk. Your comments are predictable, nothing I can say will change your set opinions.
        Just one correction; Walls, I do not say that 1 Thess 4:17 is after the Millennium. I wrote: Scriptures like John 14:1-3 and 1 Thess. 4:15-17 are touted as rapture proofs, but they pertain to the end of the Millennium and at the Return of Jesus respectively.

        Sorry about the 'C' missing from the thread title, lost in transmission. I hope a Mod can fix it.

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        • #5
          Re: hange is Coming

          Originally posted by Keraz View Post
          Thanks Walls and Randyk. Your comments are predictable, nothing I can say will change your set opinions.
          Just one correction; Walls, I do not say that 1 Thess 4:17 is after the Millennium. I wrote: Scriptures like John 14:1-3 and 1 Thess. 4:15-17 are touted as rapture proofs, but they pertain to the end of the Millennium and at the Return of Jesus respectively.

          Sorry about the 'C' missing from the thread title, lost in transmission. I hope a Mod can fix it.
          Yeah. I've noticed that one cannot edit the title of the thread once it is started. But we knew what you meant. I wouldn't like to count all my typos to date.

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          • #6
            Re: hange is Coming

            Originally posted by Keraz View Post
            Thanks Walls and Randyk. Your comments are predictable, nothing I can say will change your set opinions.
            Just one correction; Walls, I do not say that 1 Thess 4:17 is after the Millennium. I wrote: Scriptures like John 14:1-3 and 1 Thess. 4:15-17 are touted as rapture proofs, but they pertain to the end of the Millennium and at the Return of Jesus respectively.

            Sorry about the 'C' missing from the thread title, lost in transmission. I hope a Mod can fix it.
            Did it for you .

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            • #7
              Re: hange is Coming

              Originally posted by Keraz View Post
              Thanks Walls and Randyk. Your comments are predictable, nothing I can say will change your set opinions.
              Just one correction; Walls, I do not say that 1 Thess 4:17 is after the Millennium. I wrote: Scriptures like John 14:1-3 and 1 Thess. 4:15-17 are touted as rapture proofs, but they pertain to the end of the Millennium and at the Return of Jesus respectively.

              Sorry about the 'C' missing from the thread title, lost in transmission. I hope a Mod can fix it.
              It's disappointing to me that you don't take seriously a valid interpretation of the text, particularly since I'm interpreting it *in context.* This also has tons of support from scholarship in history. I don't care that you disagree, but to just say my view is "predictable" is in itself "sad." Why shouldn't I be "predictable" if this is what I believe, and have substantiated it with all the proof I need? It is a valid opinion, brother.

              I really don't care if you want to write this off. The only reason I "fight back" is because I want others to not automatically accept your interpretation of this particular passage. In my view, it is transparently *wrong.* And I would point others the right way, if not you.

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              • #8
                Re: hange is Coming

                Isaiah 34:1-8 Approach you nations and listen, let all the earth attend to this warning. For the Lordís anger is against all the nations, His wrath and fury is against all their armed forces, they are given over to slaughter and destruction. Their slain will be thrown out, they will stink and their blood will cover the hills.
                [On that DayÖ.] The sky will roll up like a scroll, the heavens will crumble into nothing and their starry host shall fall down, like ripe fruit from a fig tree.
                For My sword is prepared in heaven, it descends in judgement upon Edom, on those doomed for destruction. The Lord has a sword bathed in blood, ready to descend on the sheepfold and upon all ungodly nations. For there will be a Day of vengeance, a time of retribution to uphold the cause of His people. Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, Psalm 18:7-15, Romans 1:18

                Psalm 46:8-9 Come, see what the Lord has done, the astounding deeds He has performed on earth. In every part of the world, He puts an end to war, He breaks the bow, He snaps the spear and burns the shields in the fire. Eze. 7:14

                Psalm 76:3 He has broken the flashing arrows and all weapons of war. [flashing arrows Ė a military metaphor for a nuclear weapon. All will be destroyed or neutralised.]

                Although these prophecies have usually been thought to happen at the Return of Jesus, the description of the sky rolling up like a scroll, matches exactly with the Sixth Seal: Revelation 6:12-17 & 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, a Day of worldwide disaster that will occur years before the Return. That judgement/punishment is the Lordís Day of vengeance and wrath, the multi prophesied fire judgement. It is what we now expect very soon, as the fulfilment of Psalm 83 & Micah 4:11-12. As actual stars are many millions of miles away, perhaps the starry host referred to are meteorites or our satellites, that will crash back to earth.
                Nat. Geo. Oct 1990, p96: ĎThe 1989 solar flare pushed satellites into lower orbitsí.

                Isaiah 35:3-4 Hold yourself upright and be strong, fear not, for your God comes to save you with His vengeance and retribution. Job 22:30, Psalms 23:4, Psalms 118:14, Prov. 3:25-26, Jer. 30:7, Ezekiel 20:34, Nahum 1:7, 1 Thess. 5:4-11, Rev 7:13-17

                Isaiah 30:27-28 See the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. Like a devouring fire, He sieves the nations for destruction. The sun will shine seven times brighter and the moon as bright as the sum, on that Day; when He saves and heals His people. Jer. 3:22

                Isaiah 63:1-6 Who is this, coming from Edom, [the ungodly nations] from Bozrah, [the sheepfold, the countries of the Israelites in dispersion.] with His garments splashed in blood? I trampled the winepress of the nations in My fury, for I had resolved on a Day of vengeance and the time for redeeming My own had come. Daniel 12:1, Joel 3:13, Matthew 3:10-12, Acts 2:19-21, Rev. 14:17-20

                Revelation 7:1-9 After that, [the Sixth Seal judgement] I saw angels holding back any further punishments until the mark of God was set upon the foreheads of His servantsÖfrom every nation and language. Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

                We can see from the verses above, the terrible fire judgement is a CME sunstrike, that the Lord will use to punish His enemies and destroy their military power; is followed by the redemption and deliverance of His Christian people. They will be gathered and resettled into all of the holy Land. The Lord will Ďpour His spirit upon themí and make a new Covenant with them.
                There they will live as God originally intended, being a Ďlight to the nationsí and sending out 144,000 missionaries in pairs to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:6, Luke 10:1-12 Ė[72 + 72= 144]

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                • #9
                  Re: hange is Coming

                  The Sixth Seal
                  Having established the fact that we are all prone to making mistakes and misinterpreting scriptures and as we all desire that the truth be made clear, I now ask that we look closely the critical issue of the Sixth Seal.
                  Points to be considered:
                  1/ Are the seals, trumpets and bowls a progression of events?
                  2/ Have the first five seals been opened already?
                  3/ Is the Sixth Seal actually the Lordís Day of vengeance and wrath?
                  4/ Is there a literal explanation of the Sixth Seal?

                  1/ All the commentaries that I have perused and most of the Bible scholars I have asked, agree on the chronological sequence of the seals, trumpets and bowls. It is only those with the agenda of the next event being a war and all the wrath of God is to be poured out at the Return, who place them out of the sequence as given.
                  Also a preterist will say itís all past history or abrogated by Christís atonement.

                  2/ Although some say that because the description of the four horsemen and how they have been released already, as in Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8, do not exactly match that described in Revelation 6:1-8, then they are different events. However, I see this as just an attempt to maintain their beliefs, especially those who hold to a pre trib/wrath rapture.
                  The Fifth Seal is telling those saints that have been martyred, they must wait until their number is complete. Matthew 23:35 Jesus said:...from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah... This significant quote confirms that the first five seals were opened after the murder of Zechariah and their number will be completed by all who have been and will be killed from the time of Zechariah until the Return.

                  3/ The Sixth Seal matches quite closely the many prophecies of the worldwide Lordís Day of vengeance and wrath, found throughout the OT and the NT. This event simply does not match the 3 clear descriptions of the Return of Jesus and what happens then. Zechariah 14:4-9, Matthew 24:30-31, Revelation 19:11-21
                  As for thinking that because it is the people who say; ĎFall on us, for the Day of wrath has comeí, then it isnít a true statement, this is totally unbelievable because they havenít said it yet and it is actually a prophecy of Jesus, as given to John.

                  4/ Prophecy should be understood literally, unless there is an obvious allegory and then it is most often explained literally in other passages. With hindsight and modern scientific knowledge, it is now possible to know what will happen and right now the fulfilment of Psalms 83:1-8 and Micah 4:11-12 is staring us in the face.

                  The sequence of judgements/ punishments as revealed by Jesus to John in Revelation, will occur as written and the next event will be the Sixth seal, the Great Day of the Lordís vengeance and wrath, the Day the Lord destroys His enemies. All the graphically described effects of a worldwide devastation will happen by the means He will use, a coronal mass ejection, Isaiah 30:26, which will literally fulfil all the prophecies.

                  Be aware and be prepared, or remain Ďin the darkí, and be shocked and terrified when it does happen.

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                  • #10
                    Re: hange is Coming

                    The Forthcoming Punishment by Fire, a CME, is not the End of the World.

                    Psalm 65:1-3 The Lord springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke and the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
                    Isaiah 66:15-16 The Lord will judge with fire...He will test mankind, many will be slain by Him.
                    1 Peter 4:12-19 Do not be afraid of the fiery ordeal that comes to test everyone. Judgement is coming, continue in your faith, entrust your souls to Him, your Maker will not fail you.

                    Jeremiah 30:7 How awful is that Day, it will be a time of anguish for Jacob, [His Israelite people, faithful Christians] yet they will come through it safely.
                    Isaiah 24:6 A curse covers the earth, its people suffer Ė their numbers dwindle, only a few are left.
                    Isaiah 10:19 ....forests and pastures will be suddenly devastated, only a few trees will remain.
                    Isaiah 29:4 Judah will be brought low, the few survivors will hide underground.Isaiah 22:14

                    Zephaniah 3:8-10 The whole earth will be burned by the fire of My anger....then I shall purify the speech of the peoples, that they may call upon the Name of the Lord. My worshippers, now far off, will bring offerings to Me.
                    Ezekiel 34:12 I shall rescue My sheep from wherever they have been scattered in the Day of cloud and darkness. [His sheep- John 10:1-27]
                    Isaiah 45:20 Gather together and come near, you survivors of the nations.
                    Isaiah 58:11-12 The Lord will guide and satisfy you in the sun scorched Land. You will rebuild the ancient ruins and restore the houses and towns.
                    Psalm 69:34-36 The Lord will deliver Zion and rebuild the towns of Judah. His [righteous] people will settle there and possess the holy Land.

                    Ezekiel 36:36 The nations around that remain, will know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt what was destroyed and have replanted what was desolate.
                    Ezekiel 6:8-18 As the slain fall around you, you will know that I am the Lord. But among the nations, there will be some of you that will survive. They will remember Me; those of My people, scattered in exile, when I remove their idolatrous hearts. They will loath themselves for the evils they committed and know My threats were not in vain.
                    Ref: REB. NIV. Some verses abridged.

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                    • #11
                      Re: hange is Coming

                      Originally posted by Keraz View Post
                      The Sixth Seal
                      Having established the fact that we are all prone to making mistakes and misinterpreting scriptures and as we all desire that the truth be made clear, I now ask that we look closely the critical issue of the Sixth Seal.
                      Points to be considered:
                      1/ Are the seals, trumpets and bowls a progression of events?
                      2/ Have the first five seals been opened already?
                      3/ Is the Sixth Seal actually the Lordís Day of vengeance and wrath?
                      4/ Is there a literal explanation of the Sixth Seal?

                      1/ All the commentaries that I have perused and most of the Bible scholars I have asked, agree on the chronological sequence of the seals, trumpets and bowls. It is only those with the agenda of the next event being a war and all the wrath of God is to be poured out at the Return, who place them out of the sequence as given.
                      Also a preterist will say itís all past history or abrogated by Christís atonement.
                      I do not see the 7 seals/trumpets/bowls as being chronological. The Revelation, as a whole, has a narrative sequence that is only partly chronological, and certainly not strictly chronological, since many of these visions are separate from one another and do not relate to one another chronologically.

                      For example, the 7th trumpet signals the return of Christ and the establishment of his Kingdom. The 7 bowls that follow cannot follow, chronologically, the 7th trumpet, or they would be taking place in the Millennium!

                      Originally posted by Keraz
                      2/ Although some say that because the description of the four horsemen and how they have been released already, as in Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8, do not exactly match that described in Revelation 6:1-8, then they are different events. However, I see this as just an attempt to maintain their beliefs, especially those who hold to a pre trib/wrath rapture.
                      The Fifth Seal is telling those saints that have been martyred, they must wait until their number is complete. Matthew 23:35 Jesus said:...from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah... This significant quote confirms that the first five seals were opened after the murder of Zechariah and their number will be completed by all who have been and will be killed from the time of Zechariah until the Return.
                      I see no biblical basis for matching these events.

                      Originally posted by Keraz
                      3/ The Sixth Seal matches quite closely the many prophecies of the worldwide Lordís Day of vengeance and wrath, found throughout the OT and the NT. This event simply does not match the 3 clear descriptions of the Return of Jesus and what happens then. Zechariah 14:4-9, Matthew 24:30-31, Revelation 19:11-21
                      As for thinking that because it is the people who say; ĎFall on us, for the Day of wrath has comeí, then it isnít a true statement, this is totally unbelievable because they havenít said it yet and it is actually a prophecy of Jesus, as given to John.
                      The 6th Seal does speak of the Return of Christ. The seals are not chronological indicators, but rather, snippets of culminating events.

                      Originally posted by Keraz
                      4/ Prophecy should be understood literally, unless there is an obvious allegory and then it is most often explained literally in other passages. With hindsight and modern scientific knowledge, it is now possible to know what will happen and right now the fulfilment of Psalms 83:1-8 and Micah 4:11-12 is staring us in the face.
                      We are to recognize events *as they take place,* or as they *begin to take place.* Some things we can know, generally, well in advance. But we are not allowed to "prophetically identify" things, haphazardly. We need a solid basis for it.

                      Originally posted by Keraz
                      The sequence of judgements/ punishments as revealed by Jesus to John in Revelation, will occur as written and the next event will be the Sixth seal, the Great Day of the Lordís vengeance and wrath, the Day the Lord destroys His enemies. All the graphically described effects of a worldwide devastation will happen by the means He will use, a coronal mass ejection, Isaiah 30:26, which will literally fulfil all the prophecies.

                      Be aware and be prepared, or remain Ďin the darkí, and be shocked and terrified when it does happen.
                      I think the 6th Seal is a prolepsis, allowing us to look into the future to see men try to retreat from the day of Christ's Return. It is *not* a CME, or at least is not identified as such in the 6th seal.

                      Rev 6.12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

                      Even *generals* are hiding from this event, which suggests it involves a war, and not just some space event. What this depicts, poetically, is a major earth change, from one era to another. The heavens depict a change in angelic powers, and the earth depicts major judgment.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Change is Coming

                        Good post bro....yes the rapture has been badly misconstrued Jules himself says daily life will be going on like in Noah's day , then suddenly like a thief in the night without warning , unless were really watching , there are so many warnings in the old and New Testament of a terrible day of wrath , and even more an eternal place of fore and judgement upon those who will not prepare for the bridegroom...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Change is Coming

                          I find it interesting some things you said here about Israel being attacked by Islamic coalition of nations ....given that the u.s. Currently is the major reason there hasn't already been a major attack on Israel by Iran and several Islamic nations as of now .....and further reflection brings to mind the democrat socialist lefts position on u.s. , Israel relations....they want u.s. To stop protecting and aiding Israel already ....

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                          • #14
                            Re: Change is Coming

                            Some help for me to understand here please ?

                            I have never found any biblical reference to a fig tree as representing Israel, ever yet.
                            Although I do see many, many biblical references for olive trees representing Israel.

                            The only fig tree outside of prophecy that I have ever found is the cursed unproductive fig tree, and that to me only references unproductive christians if it is taken in the context of the pre and post verses where that short story is found in the NT gospels.
                            Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare.
                            Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow

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                            • #15
                              Re: Change is Coming

                              BTW, in regard to this threads title: the change has already came, long ago.
                              Between Jesus's burial and Pentecost, is when change came, not coming, but has already came in regard to prophecy.
                              Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare.
                              Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow

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